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rookie
05-06-2006, 7:15 PM
Anybody, know if its legal to shoot a coyote on my own property, even if its in the "city"??

I live in San Diego in a pretty nice area where my home is on the hillside backing up to a large expanse of open area owned by our HOA (unfortunately its not fenced due to the incline). I just watched two coyotes walk thru my yard snooping around and they walked 5 feet from my sliding glass door.

Normally I wouldnt worry, but I have a 3 year old daughter that likes to play in our backyard. Im now getting very concerned about what might happen if we leave her alone even for a few minutes outside.

Next time I see the coyotes, can I just pull out my SU16 and, uh, take care of business...

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hung380
05-06-2006, 7:47 PM
call animal control and tell them that the coyotes are being very very aggressive and that they were chasing you around.:D This will make the animal control take care of the business for you in TOP SPEEDS.:)

moulton
05-06-2006, 7:48 PM
just say you thought your family was in immediate danger;)

jdberger
05-06-2006, 8:11 PM
Could you shoot the coyote with an airgun? One of the better ones, of course. I don't know if it would be enough to ensure a clean kill, though.

On the other hand, a paintball gun might work, too.

Use the pain-pleasure principle.

Coyote thinks, "Hmmm, everytime I go down here I get shot in the ribs and it hurts something fierce. Maybe I'll try a different route."

rookie
05-06-2006, 8:25 PM
Wow. You guys are great, especially Tech Ted...

Im gonna call and try to get someone to come out. If that doesnt work, Ill have to consider "other" options...

My wife told me she was talking with one of our neighbors a week ago where our neighbor mentioned that she saw a mountain lion cub (wasnt quite sure where "mom" was) in her backyard. And that neighbor is across the street from us (more toward civilization).

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Jicko
05-06-2006, 8:38 PM
If she is SURE that she saw a mountain lion, call animal control immediately!

If she is not 100%, tell her that next time she see one, she should take a picture of it....



Wow. You guys are great, especially Tech Ted...

Im gonna call and try to get someone to come out. If that doesnt work, Ill have to consider "other" options...

My wife told me she was talking with one of our neighbors a week ago where our neighbor mentioned that she saw a mountain lion cub (wasnt quite sure where "mom" was) in her backyard. And that neighbor is across the street from us (more toward civilization).

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rookie
05-06-2006, 10:12 PM
If you live in the suburbs (distance between houses are measured in feet, and no forest between houses), and you see a mountain lion, then immediately call animal control. If there are typically little kids playing in your neighborhood, and the mountain lion is doing anything other than trying to retreat as fast as possible, then 911 might be the right answer.

If you see a bobcat or an overweight housecat, and you believe that it is a mountain lion, and call 911, then you are a fool.

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Treelogger,

Well im in the "burbs" but like I mentioned my house backs up to a large expanse (not all of it owned by my HOA but I think like 40+ acres are). Check out http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Rancho+Bernardo+Rd+%26+Camino+San+Bernardo,+San+ Diego,+CA+92127&ll=33.036244,-117.097746&spn=0.006422,0.012124&t=h&om=1 and then just keep browsing North... I live in one of the homes that borders this large expanse. So I can measure in feet to the neighbors to the side of us, but I might have to measure in miles for the nearest neighbore behind us.

I agree about the bobcat vs mountain lion thing. It could have been either that she saw and I didnt speak directly to her, but I can tell you that Im positive I saw one in my yard about 3 years ago, scared the crap out of me. It was one of those, wow thats a big dog, holy crap thats NOT a dog...

In general I wouldnt worry about myself or my wife, we are smart enough to retreat etc if we saw one. But Im concerned about one of these things confusing my 3yr old as a critter.

Im gonna get on the horn with the animal control on monday. Ive got a friend of a friend on the SD PD that I am going to check with on best options if I see a coyote or mt lion again.

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Nahuatl
05-07-2006, 5:52 AM
If you shoot and one of your crappy neighbors hears you, sees you, or you brag about it, and an agressive DA decides to prosecute you, you can have your firearms confiscated and your right to keep arms removed.

You need someone like this.

http://www.animalpest.com/main.htm

These guys specialize in ADC work and coyote removal. I've met their trapper who uses snares (again not legal in CA without a license). He took 40+ coyotes out of the middle of the burbs near the LA fairground last year. Jimmy's the man.

If you shoot once, anyone will say "What was that?" Never shoot twice, because then they know it was a gunshot.

If you have to do it yourself, remember the 3 S's. Shoot(or Snare), Shovel, and Shut UP. Never brag about it anywhere.

glen avon
05-07-2006, 8:03 AM
dude, just strap on some rocket skates and drop an anvil on it's head.

moulton
05-07-2006, 8:18 AM
get a .22 with some sub sonic rounds. put some bait (meat) out in the backyard and wait. when he comes snipe him in the head and if the neighbors ask about the sound say you were yousing some powertools;)

Hunter
05-07-2006, 8:53 AM
................while a bobcat looks like a house cat with long legs..

You must have very LARGE house cats, as a typical large male Bobcat can go easily 35 lbs and be 30-35" long NOT including the short tail. So yes, it could look like a mountain lion cub to someone who is not familiar with them.

easy
05-07-2006, 10:25 AM
"Baiting" requires a hunting license. Best/cheapest bait is a can of cheap dog food. Stab a few holes in it with a large knife and toss it out to where you can get a good shot. 'yote will lick at the can like it was a kid eating ice cream. BANG!

rmeyer
05-07-2006, 2:41 PM
We had a ton of coyotes near my old place in Oceanside along the riverbed. I used to get home well after midnight and saw them almost nightly especially on trash day. I have never had 1 do anything other then run when they saw me. My kid used to ride his bike to school in the early hours and he saw them to. They just run off. I doubt it would be a threat to a kid but for sure keep pets inside unless its a big dog. A mountain lion would have me concerned because they will chase you if you run but coyotes are nothing to fear.

Fjold
05-07-2006, 4:08 PM
That's why cross bows are still around.
Then 3S



Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.

Shoot-it
05-12-2006, 9:23 PM
I would definitely shoot neither of them. Both are (mostly) harmless to humans, and they keep the horrendous overpopulation of deer and other varmint somewhat under control..

Are you an Idiot do you think we are over populated with deer.I haven't seen a buck in 3 years of deer hunting.The lions are putting a big hurt on our deer herds.

pepsi2451
05-12-2006, 10:01 PM
If I saw a lion around my house I would probably shoot it. I just don't like them they kill a lot of deer and they will stalk humans. I know a guy who was bow hunting and happened to look behind him and there was a lion when he was walking back the tracks where on top of his. Like others have mentioned make sure your neighbors don't see you. I know a dumb*** that had a bear getting into his garbage so he thought he would shoot it in the *** with a .22 to scare it off. Well I guess he hit it in the face and killed it, the neighbors turned him in as soon as they saw it.

Shoot-it
05-13-2006, 12:40 PM
I think you mean black tail we don't have white tail in this state they are big like muley deer.Maybe you live in a good place with a healthy deer heard.Thats were they like too hang out no one will bother them and thats why the lions are coming in close too people too pray on the deer. If you are over run with deer I would be willing to help you out I can sit in a tree stand with my bow...........:p

Rob454
05-16-2006, 3:38 PM
that had a bear getting into his garbage so he thought he would shoot it in the *** with a .22 to scare it off. Well I guess he hit it in the face and killed it, the neighbors turned him in as soon as they saw it.

Must of been a hell of a .22 round or he shot it in the eye and scrambled his brain up.
To the guy who said if he sees a mountain lion and will shoot it you may want to rethink that. its ILLEGAL to hunt or kill Mountain lions in California. And before you get in a pi$$ing match Im just stating a fact of law. I dont agree with it. Reason is at one time the lions in california were almost extinct so the govt. enacted a protection law ( rightfully so) no animal should be extinct by hunting. if nature decides its over for them well......... thats that.
But anyway I dont remember the exact date the law was enacted but there hasnt been one lion hunted in this state unless it attacked a human. So all they have been doing is multiplying and hunting. There are so many of them that now they are running out of hunting grounds. Your average person has NO CLUE what territory size a cat that big needs in order to be able to eat and feed its offsprings. I dont remember but somewhere around 20 mile expanse sounds right I may be off but either way these cats are all encroaching on each others territory so theire starting to come down the hills because Spike and princess are EASY MEALS. i dont need to tell you guys that animals are jsut as lazy as humans so if they can get a easy meal they will. Either way personally if I saw someone poaching or shooting a animal that is protected or not in season you can bet that I will turn them in. Ive seen it and I have called it in. Im a avid hunter and I truly enjoy it but it will only take a couple of idiots to do something stupid and then guess what the majority of people in this state DO NOT HUNT. So some reporter will get on TV and tell people that these big bad hunters are out mowing down poor Thumper and Bamby and they must be stopped. Well guess what? The majority will call the senators and congressmen and governors and they will moan and complain and they will put a stop to the hunting in this state alltogether.
Anyway if your life is threatened or that animal is abotu to attack a loved one well at that point hell Ill shoot it.
Rob:)

spaceburger
05-21-2006, 8:46 AM
That way you can mark the errant animal in case they run into it again. Use purple or pink paint. You can get them so they are fully automatic as well. Just be careful you don’t shoot yourself. They still pose a danger.

stator
05-21-2006, 9:50 AM
Anybody, know if its legal to shoot a coyote on my own property, even if its in the "city"??

I live in San Diego in a pretty nice area where my home is on the hillside backing up to a large expanse of open area owned by our HOA (unfortunately its not fenced due to the incline). I just watched two coyotes walk thru my yard snooping around and they walked 5 feet from my sliding glass door.

Normally I wouldnt worry, but I have a 3 year old daughter that likes to play in our backyard. Im now getting very concerned about what might happen if we leave her alone even for a few minutes outside.

Next time I see the coyotes, can I just pull out my SU16 and, uh, take care of business...

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Then why don't you move into the concrete city? I live in Alamden Valley on the edge of San Jose. We get interior city dwellers move here and get frighten of the wildlife. Their cats, which they allow to free roam, get eaten, etc. They petition our city councilwoman to do something, post flyers on the trails, while they want the greenbelt to be maintained. Tough ****, if they do not like living among the wildlife, then MOVE THE **** OUT.

BTW, I have a two and a four year old. You should quite whinning and realize you are living where you do not want to be.

pepsi2451
05-21-2006, 11:20 AM
Then why don't you move into the concrete city? I live in Alamden Valley on the edge of San Jose. We get interior city dwellers move here and get frighten of the wildlife. Their cats, which they allow to free roam, get eaten, etc. They petition our city councilwoman to do something, post flyers on the trails, while they want the greenbelt to be maintained. Tough ****, if they do not like living among the wildlife, then MOVE THE **** OUT.

BTW, I have a two and a four year old. You should quite whinning and realize you are living where you do not want to be.

Are you serious? You want him to move into the city because he is afraid of a mountain lion? I'm not saying kill all the wildlife. What if there where no lions when he moved there. The number of lions has been growing since they stopped letting people hunt them. Lions will kill other lions so they are expanding into more populated areas. I'm not saying go kill all the mountain lions but I sure wouldn't want one coming around my house. Wildlife is fine but anyone who wants a mountain lion coming around their house and their family is an idiot.

Hunter
05-21-2006, 1:57 PM
We live in the Santa Cruz mountains. .......... they are tiny whitetail deer. ........

Actually there are no Whitetail deer in CA. Only Mule deer (CA, Rocky Mtn.) and Columbia Blacktail (sub species). What you seen in the Santa Cruz Mtns are mostly columbia blacktail.

rookie
05-28-2006, 12:23 AM
That way you can mark the errant animal in case they run into it again. Use purple or pink paint. You can get them so they are fully automatic as well. Just be careful you don’t shoot yourself. They still pose a danger.

I think this is a great suggestion. Gives me an excuse to buy a paintball gun. :) And it gives me something to tell the wild life folks, basically if I can hit it with a paintball gun its a little too close (Even though Ill probably just open a window in my house and fire out of it, rather than go outside to face a mountain lion).

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rookie
05-28-2006, 12:38 AM
Then why don't you move into the concrete city? I live in Alamden Valley on the edge of San Jose. We get interior city dwellers move here and get frighten of the wildlife. Their cats, which they allow to free roam, get eaten, etc. They petition our city councilwoman to do something, post flyers on the trails, while they want the greenbelt to be maintained. Tough ****, if they do not like living among the wildlife, then MOVE THE **** OUT.

BTW, I have a two and a four year old. You should quite whinning and realize you are living where you do not want to be.

Hey, Im not whining, Im just curious what my options are.

Truthfully when we bought the house I didnt really realize how large the expanse was behind us. Driving up to the house etc, its like any other suburban neighborhood. It wasnt until I looked it up on google maps that I found out. Yeah, I know my bad.

It was one of those you dont realize what the issues are until they arise. Hey I can deal with all the rabbits, mice/rodents, deer and after further research even the bobcats & coyotes (they are more "bark" than "bite" anyway), but I gotta draw the line at mountain lions. They are predators and unfortunately tend to take a liking to little things like dogs or little kids.

Fortunately I havent seen any (coyotes or mountain lions) since I originally posted, but I havent been "looking", just sort of doing the normal day to day. If I do see another I know my options now and thats good.

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mur
05-28-2006, 7:06 AM
Well I can Tell you from personal experience there are alot of mountain lions (Yes the Long Tail Cats) in the Santa Cruz Mountains. On 3 different occasions I saw them lurking around the park trails. Especialy around Steven Creek Dam (Which is near the Sunnyvale Rod and Gun Club).
Those Cats are very sly, rest assured they see you way before you see them. If I didn't have my Rottweiler with me, I'd surely of walk the other way.
There also was one near an elementry school in Palo Alto which they Shot.
This was right in the middle of city (must have walked down through the Creek bed or something)
Also Lets not forget to mention the racoons around here, which are frickin huge.

glen avon
05-28-2006, 11:28 AM
I think this is a great suggestion. Gives me an excuse to buy a paintball gun. :) And it gives me something to tell the wild life folks, basically if I can hit it with a paintball gun its a little too close (Even though Ill probably just open a window in my house and fire out of it, rather than go outside to face a mountain lion).

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that would be illegally molesting wildlife. either you kill it legally or you can't touch it.

SemiAutoSam
05-28-2006, 11:36 AM
Anybody, know if its legal to shoot a coyote on my own property, even if its in the "city"??

I live in San Diego in a pretty nice area where my home is on the hillside backing up to a large expanse of open area owned by our HOA (unfortunately its not fenced due to the incline). I just watched two coyotes walk thru my yard snooping around and they walked 5 feet from my sliding glass door.

Normally I wouldnt worry, but I have a 3 year old daughter that likes to play in our backyard. Im now getting very concerned about what might happen if we leave her alone even for a few minutes outside.

Next time I see the coyotes, can I just pull out my SU16 and, uh, take care of business...

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Use a Crossbow unless the city ordnance poopoos that also but at least there is no (Report) with a crossbow. Or at least no where near the same as with a .22 or .223

Oh and a sidenote Just talking about myself here If my 4 year old was in the same situation as yours and at times he is (we have mountian lions here) and yes I have killed some of them as I have livestock if they happen to come on the property and I see them their TOAST end of story I would rather have a problem with the MAN than be burying my child.

rkt88edmo
05-28-2006, 9:57 PM
Those Cats are very sly, rest assured they see you way before you see them. If I didn't have my Rottweiler with me, I'd surely of walk the other way.
There also was one near an elementry school in Palo Alto which they Shot.
This was right in the middle of city (must have walked down through the Creek bed or something)
Also Lets not forget to mention the racoons around here, which are frickin huge.

Yeah, urban racoons - they hiss and don't back down or flee...and I'd want to kick one, but I would probably break my ankle in its fat 30 pound but, and then the other four or five would eat me :p

Mountain lion attacks are way up in recent years, that year they shot one in Palo Alto, weren't there two other confirmed cats frequenting neighborhoods in the SF bay area? Plus, the mountain biker killed in the Los Angeles area. The current numbers for cat encounters are way higher than the historical average because of habitat encroachment and lack of willing predators (us).

rookie
05-29-2006, 1:33 AM
that would be illegally molesting wildlife. either you kill it legally or you can't touch it.

Good grief. As if I didnt know it already, our laws are screwed up...

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mur
05-29-2006, 6:38 AM
Yeah, urban racoons - they hiss and don't back down or flee...and I'd want to kick one, but I would probably break my ankle in its fat 30 pound but, and then the other four or five would eat me :p


How true, 30 lbs, Mean and aren't scared of people. I saw two just sitting on the corner of a sidewalk about 10pm. When I approached, they just stood there looking at me. I turned around and crossed the Street. Not messing with them.

Mountain lion attacks are way up in recent years, that year they shot one in Palo Alto, weren't there two other confirmed cats frequenting neighborhoods in the SF bay area? Plus, the mountain biker killed in the Los Angeles area. The current numbers for cat encounters are way higher than the historical average because of habitat encroachment and lack of willing predators (us).

Yes, they were a few other reports, the Palo Alto one was Crazy because it was near the Elementry school and that a good 10 miles into the city. The Cost of real estate around here, peeps are finding any loophole they can to build in the hills., real shame

schizrade2
06-01-2006, 3:34 PM
If I saw a lion around my house I would probably shoot it. I just don't like them they kill a lot of deer and they will stalk humans. I know a guy who was bow hunting and happened to look behind him and there was a lion when he was walking back the tracks where on top of his. Like others have mentioned make sure your neighbors don't see you. I know a dumb*** that had a bear getting into his garbage so he thought he would shoot it in the *** with a .22 to scare it off. Well I guess he hit it in the face and killed it, the neighbors turned him in as soon as they saw it.

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You just showed everybody that you have no idea what you are talking about. Good job.

Mountain Lions are necessary to hedge populations of deer that if left unchecked spread disease and blight, killing entire herds.

And they do not stalk people. I have come in close contact (less than 20 yards) w/ them over 6 times that I can remember. Each time scared me to no end. But nothing ever happened. I just backed off keeping eye contact and they always kept on with what they are doing. They see us as a threat only when cornered. We are uninteresting to them.

I had a friend in High School that got in a scuffle with a full grown male. He walked out onto his back patio after dark and lo and behold there sat a huge cat. Unfortunately for Jim, the physical layout of the patio made the cat trapped with freedom just past him. So the cat pounced and gave him a good smack to the chest and face (his paw was that big), knocked him over and ran for it. That was it. He laughed at it the next day. C'est la vie.

But I have never killed a bear with a .22 so what could I possibly know. :rolleyes:

pepsi2451
06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
You just showed everybody that you have no idea what you are talking about. Good job.

Mountain Lions are necessary to hedge populations of deer that if left unchecked spread disease and blight, killing entire herds.


The mountian lion population (at least around where I live) has been growing since they have stopped people from hunting them. Lions will kill other lions so they have been expanding into populated areas. I'm not saying kill every lion you see but I would not want one around my house.



And they do not stalk people. I have come in close contact (less than 20 yards) w/ them over 6 times that I can remember. Each time scared me to no end. But nothing ever happened. I just backed off keeping eye contact and they always kept on with what they are doing. They see us as a threat only when cornered. We are uninteresting to them.


You have been lucky, I would not want to get that close to one with or without a weapon. Of course if you were attacked you probably wouldn't see it coming.


I had a friend in High School that got in a scuffle with a full grown male. He walked out onto his back patio after dark and lo and behold there sat a huge cat. Unfortunately for Jim, the physical layout of the patio made the cat trapped with freedom just past him. So the cat pounced and gave him a good smack to the chest and face (his paw was that big), knocked him over and ran for it. That was it. He laughed at it the next day. C'est la vie.


Your friend was extremely lucky. That is one of the main reasons I would not want one around my house. I wonder what he was doing on your friends porch.


But I have never killed a bear with a .22 so what could I possibly know. :rolleyes:


I can't confirm that, just something I heard, stranger things have happened. Believe it or don't, just telling people to be careful.

glen avon
06-02-2006, 8:47 AM
The last time a child was killed (or attacked?) by a mountain lion in California was in the 1930s, if I remember right.

it happened in casper park in OC in 1981. mauled a little girl.

when the family finally develeoped the film from the trip, one of the pix was a group photo, and off to that right was the mountain lion, looking straight at the camera, not 50' away from the family.

pepsi2451
06-02-2006, 1:55 PM
Looks like someone was killed in 2004.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/issues/lion/attacks.html

http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks_ca.html

Not a lot of attacks but I wouldn't want to risk my dogs life let alone a childs.

magmaster
06-02-2006, 3:07 PM
Get a cross bow and do it silently :cool:

Unknownassailant
06-02-2006, 3:18 PM
You guys are dispicable!! How dare you discuss the injuring or killing of cuddly mountain lions. These cats are no different to our house cats, all they want is to jump on your back and turn it into a scratching post. The only major difference is they weigh over 200 lbs instead of 9lbs. So please treat these animals humanely and stop being selfish, and put the lives of these kitty cats over yours. :rolleyes:

This is pretty much the general view of California's Wildlife, Fish & Game, and its proven by the fact that they recommended criminal charges against the man that shot the mountain lion a few months back when it got into his family's yard.

mur
06-02-2006, 3:58 PM
The last time a child was killed by a mountain lion in California was in the 1930s, if I remember right. The last non-fatal attack on a child was in 1986. The number of humans that are killed by mountain lions in California is around one per decade or so

Well that is Very interesting, I would have expected a few more at least.
Nevertheless, More and more housing is being built in the surrounding mountain areas. alot more parks and trails are also showing up, I would not be suprised if the number of attacks increased.
I always walk with my dog so I'm not too concerned with the lions. I agree there are more Urgent things too worry about. Around here alot of cars have been broken into and stolen lately.
Also as rare as attacks are, I will not let my wife hike alone. Either the dog, Friends or I will go, no exceptions. There are many things that can happen on a hiking trail, Sprang Foot, Snake bite, Mountain Lion, dehydration, WEIRDOS(Yes beyond popular belief they Hike too).

74man
06-07-2006, 8:38 PM
A Broadhead Placed Into A Coyote Will Do The Job, And Bury The Body, No Need To Tell Anyone.

3006mv
12-29-2006, 7:20 PM
So what happened w/ your coyotes? You cannot legally shoot a firearm in city limits w/o a pretty good reason. You cannot shoot a coyote unless it is attacking you, your kids, or pet. You cannot poison them etc. Get a phone book and look up the USDA Wildlife Services or CA Dept. of Fish and Game. They will assess your problem, if it is truly a case of them doing you harm then they may send someone out to trap and kill them or shoot them only if human safety is an issue, if not then they will give you information some preventive measures you can use to harrass them or build a barrier to keep them out of your yard. Leave it to the professionals there should be a listing in the San Diego County Veterinarian or Ag Dept. that has a link to the USDA that the county has a contract with they have done control work out in Orange County and are excellent people to work with.

BigMac
12-29-2006, 9:37 PM
Take up archery, it's a lot of fun and really challenging.


Where I hunt there are at least 3 lions. There is a female with cub. There is also a REALLY big male. There area I hunt in is ranchland. The deer population is severly diminished and the wild pigs are getting really scarce.

All private well managed land.

Every rancher up there would buy me all the beer I could drink for killing a lion.

Some people would say call DFG to get help. You do not want the DFG or any other state agency "helping" you. They tend to screw up your way of life.

RANGER295
01-11-2007, 7:52 PM
Wow what a firestorm! I work with vineyards and am not above popping a coyote if I see one and have a rifle with me. They chew the drip lines and cause quite a bit of damage. I am not advocating doing anything illegal but if you were going to shoot them anyway, the subsonic rounds for the .22lr have plenty of stopping power for a coyote if placed right within 50 yards or so. Out of a long barreled rifle the chances of someone calling on you are slim to none. Just make darn sure that you know what is byonde your target because they will go quite a ways and have more penetrating power than a standard .22lr because the have a heavier bullet. I know several people that use these rounds for urban pest control.

Dealing with wild life is part of living in a rural area. If I have kids, I will not try to exterminate the wild life and then let them go out unsupervised. It is impossible to get rid of all of the animals that could present a threat to the children so I will always make sure that they are supervised and that my wife has ready access to a reliable weapon. That is just part of the lifestyle and you have to play heads up but not live in fear.

About the mountain lions, I have seen several of them in the wild and in the fields and they have seemed like they want just as much to do with me as I want to do with them. I have been stocked once by a lion. I was snowshoeing and on the return trip found mountain lion tracks that followed the tracks we had made on the way in for about 4 or 5 miles. I never saw the cat but that one did make me nervous. Especially when it got dark and we were snowshoeing by moon light, had been on the trail for about 8-10 hours, were beyond exhausted, hands were freezing, all I had with me was my 9mm, and all of that combined with the shadows… your mind starts playing tricks on you. I do think that there is an overpopulation of them and if they make hunting them legal, I will be one of the first in line for tags. But by and large I really don’t worry about them.

11Z50
01-11-2007, 9:17 PM
Well guys, I'm here to tell you, man or beast, if I fear for my safety I'm busting caps. We can all discuss it later, but I'll be in one piece. I'll have my day in court. If I'm threatened by a mountain lion, gangbanger, Jihadist or Astrozombie, it's time to rumble.

I once capped a pit bulldog (in the line of duty) and didn't worry a bit. First, I have seen what animals can do to people. It's not happening to me or mine. Second, if the Department placed the well-being of a vicious dog over that of my own, I didn't need to work there anyhow. It all came out fine.

As far as varmints on your property, I'm sure it varies greatly by jurisdiction. Just know the laws for your area.

svenu
01-11-2007, 10:07 PM
Dead 200 lb. Mountain Lion was found on Highway 17 near The Cats recently. Watch your cats, dogs... and kids.

EvolutionGSR
01-11-2007, 11:22 PM
Just make sure you yell out "It's coming right for us!!" before you pull the trigger.