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gose
05-03-2006, 6:14 PM
Since I've seen the question asked, I thought I'd post some of my findings based on my experiences...

The following applies to people moving into the country. Some special rules applies to visitors.

1. Importation of privately currently owned firearms into the US and California.
In general Non-Immigrant Aliens (NIA) are NOT allowed to buy, possess or import firearms or ammunition. Two exceptions to "normal" people exists:
* Get a waiver from the Fed DOJ. No one knows anything about this and it also requires you to be a resident for 180 consecutive days (ie not leaving the country AT ALL during this time)
* Get a hunting license from ANY state. You need to show proof of "acceptable education" (pretty much any education from Europe or Australia will do) and pay the non-resident fee.
When you have your hunting license you fill out the ATF Form 6. Make sure you use the real form 6 and not the simplified visitors version. Include a copy of the hunting license with your application.
Since even forms arriving in the same envelope will be diveded between specialists, use one form and attach a sheet with all your gun parts and guns to the single form, or you will end up having your forms split between several ATF agents.
After appr. two months you will receive the forms along with a customs form that you are supposed to leave with customs.
When you have all your forms you pack all your guns in suit cases and bring them with you when you fly into the country. Try to enter the US at your final destination, since you will have to go through customs at your port of entry and this will take some time (or make sure you have a several hour lay-over)
You can arrange to have your guns shipped to a FFL, in which case the FFL will have to fill out the forms. The problem with this is that you need to be a resident before you can get the guns from the FFL. Residency for a NIA is when you have been in the country for 90 consecutive days, so if you happen to leave the country every 87th day, you might never be able to take possession of your own guns!
Once in the state you have 60 days to register the guns with CA DOJ. It costs $19 / gun and is a pretty simply process. Once again, make sure you include a copy of your hunting license.

2. Purchasing firearms and ammunition.
Once in the state and in possession of a hunting license you are allowed to buy ammunition. Some dealers will have problems understanding this if you dont have a Driver's License. It's perfectly legal for you to buy ammunition, but don't expect all dealers to know this.
After being in the country for 90 days you are allowed to buy firearms like any other permanent resident. When you go for the DROS, make sure to bring your passport with your I94 card and your hunting license.
Any time you leave the country the 90 days will reset and you will have to wait again.

3. Borrowing firearms.
If you have a hunting license it is ok to borrow firearms for a "specific purpose" as long as it's a temporary loan and the intent is not for you to take possession of the firearm. Having someone buy a firearm and then lending it to you and then later transferring to you will most certainly be considered a straw purchase! Stay Clear!
With the hunting license it's also ok to rent firearms at a range, but some ranges won't accept this anyway (Reed's is one example), so get your drivers license asap.

bluebaron
05-03-2006, 6:20 PM
As a non permanent alien I can confirm all of the above is absolutely correct.

Well done :)

kantstudien
05-03-2006, 7:14 PM
Could someone explain to me what the F a "non-immigrant alien" is? That question baffles everyone, because how could you be an alien that did not immigrate here? :confused:

Is it too PC to ask if you are an "illegal alien?" :rolleyes:

gose
05-03-2006, 7:25 PM
Could someone explain to me what the F a "non-immigrant alien" is? That question baffles everyone, because how could you be an alien that did not immigrate here? :confused:

Is it too PC to ask if you are an "illegal alien?" :rolleyes:

A non-immigrant alien is a non-permanent resident, ie anyone without a green card. Unless you are here permanently you are not considered to have immigrated here.
So any visa type (F1, H1B, L1, etc) that are issued to workers or students would be non-immigrant visas. Those visas can still be valid for quite some time (8 or more years), but you are still considered non-immigrant...

And no, I'm not an illegal alien :p

jdberger
05-03-2006, 7:34 PM
It's no fun being an illegal alien
http://www.cheechandchong.com/freedownloads/bornineastla.jpg

bluebaron
05-06-2006, 3:15 AM
International companies have people working in various countries for years at a time. I'm personally going to be here for three years and then Hong Kong before returning to London.

Have really enjoyed taking up my old shooting hobby while here in the US.

This was taken away from us in the United Kingdom.

Paladin
05-06-2006, 7:13 AM
I'm personally going to be here for three years and then Hong Kong before returning to London.

Have really enjoyed taking up my old shooting hobby while here in the US.

This was taken away from us in the United Kingdom.

I don't want to get too far OT, but just want to let you & other non-permanent/non-immigrant aliens to know about the "Concealed Carry in Europe" and "Es Spanol" (for Latin America & Spain) forums at www.CaliforniaCCW.org

Hopefully, foreign nationals (and their American friends) will use those forums as initial meeting places to launch CCW reform in their own nations.

WokMaster1
05-06-2006, 10:34 AM
Just want to share my experience. I know that things have changed drastically after 9/11, correct me if I'm wrong.

I came to this country in 1991 on a J-1 visa (16 months). I was sponsored by a major hotel chain to train in Atlanta, GA. After my 90 day residency, I took a basic firearms safety training class & bought a Glock 19 & a Taurus 85. Six months later, I applied for my GA CCW permit & was granted one after an extensive background check by both GBI & FBI.

My J-1 visa was extended & the company transfered me to Florida & after establishing my 90 day residency status, I applied for & received my FL CCW permit. I was "upgraded" to an H-1B visa later & after 5 years of being good, I applied for & was granted my permanent residency.

I never encountered any issues with anyone. The gun shops basically asked for my driver's license as proof of ID & for the CCW they did ask for my SSN & visa status. :)

WokMaster1
05-06-2006, 11:41 AM
Just curious Why would one need a SSN to buy a gun ? im also wondering what is their legal reason to even ask for a SSN


Not for gun purchase, that's just an option on the DROS form but for CCW application, they want to know ALL about you,...intimately. I'm not sure about California, though.

dwtt
05-06-2006, 2:42 PM
Just curious Why would one need a SSN to buy a gun ? im also wondering what is their legal reason to even ask for a SSN
A valid SSN allows for quicker background checking.

linuxgunner
05-06-2006, 2:50 PM
I really wish the US would make temporary import of a firearm by non-residents easier. I'll just say it: You should be able to complete the import paperwork upon arrival at the airport, and in shall-issue states, you should be able to get issued a non-resident temporary CCW at the airport. South Africa used to do this. You used to be able to fly in to JB with you handgun, do the import paperwork and pick up a CCW upon arrival. The current Socialist government is trying to outlaw private ownership of firearms, so this has changed now, but that was the way it should be, and they should have the same rule here.

It's great to see how much CCW reciprocity there is in the US. I would like to see some reciprocity between the US and other countries.

WokMaster1
05-06-2006, 2:52 PM
A valid SSN allows for quicker background checking.

Only if you live in states that have instant background checks. We unfortunately have to wait 10 days. .:mad: