View Full Version : New York Shooting Adds Merit To CCW Argument

08-14-2010, 11:41 AM

"EIght people leaving a party at a downtown Buffalo restaurant were shot early Saturday, four of them fatally, including a Texas man who had returned to his hometown to celebrate his first wedding anniversary, police said.
Managers had decided to close the City Grill in the city's business district after an altercation inside. The victims were leaving at about 2:30 a.m. when gunfire erupted, police said.
"There were verbal things going on. Management apparently chose to close down and have everybody leave the restaurant," Chief of Detectives Dennis Richards said. "People were leaving when this shooting happened."
Investigators did not know how many shooters there were and asked for witnesses to speak up.
"We need people to come forward," said Police Commissioner Daniel Derenda, who estimated there were 100 people at the scene when police arrived.
The group was attending a party in advance of a more formal anniversary celebration scheduled for later Saturday, authorities said. The couple, a 30-year-old man and his wife, married in Texas a year ago and had returned to celebrate with Buffalo-area friends and family, authorities said. The wife was not among those struck by gunfire.
"An occasion that should have been a joyous one, a happy one, turned tragic," Mayor Byron Brown said.
Late Saturday morning, police converged on a Buffalo house and brought one man out in handcuffs. Police would not say whether it was related to the shootings.
The dead included two men, the 30-year-old and a 26-year-old, and two women, who were 27 and 32, Richards said. Three were pronounced dead at the scene and the fourth died at a hospital.
Authorities did not release the victims' identities. Raymond Wilhite said his 32-year-old daughter, Tiffany Wilhite, was among those killed.
"A senseless, random killing," said Wilhite, who returned to the restaurant a few hours after the shooting. "This kind of thing just has to stop."
Authorities say the four wounded were all men. One was in critical condition at a Buffalo hospital Saturday afternoon. Two were in stable condition and one was in good condition.
Tommy Dates, 35, of Buffalo, said he was at the bar area of the restaurant with his friends when he noticed a party had broken up. He said people started leaving the restaurant but rushed back inside a few minutes later.
"A lot of people were real upset, just trying to get out of the way," Dates said at the scene about two hours after the shootings. "Everyone was in a panic."
A message left for the restaurant's owners was not immediately returned.
Three covered bodies lay in front of the restaurant for several hours, one of them on the sidewalk across the street. About 20 people stood behind yellow crime scene tape, some trying to console grief-stricken relatives and friends.
The window of an office next to the Main Street restaurant was shattered, as was glass in a subway entrance across the street.
Associated Press Writer Ben Dobbin contributed to this report.

When will this madness end!

08-14-2010, 5:28 PM
Erie Counties judges DO NOT like to issue pistol licenses and cripple most of them. Outside the NYC area Buffalo/Erie Co. politics is said to be some of the worst in NYS. There's lots of gun owners but the donkey party machine is dug in really bad, my sources say.

08-14-2010, 5:36 PM
There's plenty of merit to the pro-CCW argument as it is. The problem isn't in the lack of merit to that argument :)

08-14-2010, 6:42 PM
The donkey legislatures know about the merits of CCW. They understand the concept of "more guns = less crime", and they cannot be anymore convinced of this as being fact. They are fully aware of the fact that states & local jurisdictions who further RKBA for its citizens have reductions in crime. The concept has been drilled into the brains of these career politicians over & over again.

The only crutch that they have left at this point is passing more gun control and further denying RKBA to law abiding citizens ONLY because they don't want to admit that gun control is failed policy. They are pretending to think that they are doing the public a favor, when the public knows that they are not.

The only way to put an end to this is to vote out the bums on 11/02, but that probably won't happen because too many people are focused on iPads & iBoobs to know how to vote properly. Meanwhile, that sheep can enjoy getting plenty of news on their screens about shootings & killings here and gun control there, while forgetting who made that touchscreen possible.


08-14-2010, 10:38 PM
The 3-S Rule: "Don't go to Stupid places with Stupid people to do Stupid things."

While I don't know the neighborhood where this restaurant w/bar is located, or the type of people who patronize this establishment, I do know that being at a bar (or out any place in public) at 2:30 am in a major city is not prudent.

"The wise man learns from others' mistakes. The average man learns from his own mistakes. The fool learns from no one's mistakes."

08-14-2010, 10:42 PM
Or it could go the other way if it was a legal carrier... it likely won't help because it is dicey already to allow CCW holders to carry in places with alcohol.