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Brundelfly
08-14-2010, 8:07 AM
I have a question.

Anyone know, if you are allowed to CARRY a GUN on your side..holster etc.

In your garage ? ie..on your property. Granted the door is open.


Last night, as often happens near the foothills of Monrovia, The 650lbs Brown bear that likes to knock over our garbage.

Didnt scare away as easily.
He just stood there..looking at me. Then walked towards me. THEN ran off.
He used to just RUN off.

I have every intention of shooting him if he gets too close.
As fast as the are, I wouldnt have a chance unless I had the gun ON my ready to go.

dieselpower
08-14-2010, 8:32 AM
Here is your problem.

You know there is a problem bear in the area and are not taking the proper steps to deal with it.

Arming yourself in preparation of the confrontation with this bear is not legal. There was a guy who did what you are thinking and shot a Mountain Lion. He was charged with poaching. He had to plead guilty in order to stay out of jail.

If you can clearing document your repeated attempts to call F&G.
If you can prove you are properly securing your trash
If you can prove the bear is aggressive and you had no other option (run), then you can kill the bear.

From what I am reading, you know a bear comes around your house sometimes for your trash. You want to carry a gun to kill it. Sounds like bait hunting to me.


The common thought is SSS. Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.

or do it legally

twotap
08-14-2010, 8:40 AM
He is just there for that big round picnic barrel you have provided. You seem to be making your own problem. Do not make it worse .

Helpful_Cub
08-14-2010, 8:41 AM
I'd be careful using that a handgun on a bear that big. You'll probably just piss him off since the bullet can't penetrate very far in all of that fat. At that close of a range you'll probably want a 12-gauge slug gun or a larger sized rifle. They also make a Bear Spray that's super concentrated pepper stray that you can you use. I think it sprays like 40 feet and you shouldn't have any issues keeping that on your belt while you walk around your property.


I have a question.

Anyone know, if you are allowed to CARRY a GUN on your side..holster etc.

In your garage ? ie..on your property. Granted the door is open.


Last night, as often happens near the foothills of Monrovia, The 650lbs Brown bear that likes to knock over our garbage.

Didnt scare away as easily.
He just stood there..looking at me. Then walked towards me. THEN ran off.
He used to just RUN off.

I have every intention of shooting him if he gets too close.
As fast as the are, I wouldnt have a chance unless I had the gun ON my ready to go.

Two Shots
08-14-2010, 8:56 AM
As above call the F&G, local law enforcement and document every call and have nieghbors call and report also.
Buy some bear spray, because in Kalifornia you almost need to be mauled before the authorities believe you were attacked.

With all that said above, after notifying the authorities that the bear has become a nuisance you can request that the bear be trapped and moved.
Let them know he is acting more aggresive towards humans and that you will start keeping a gun handy the next time your trying to scare the bear off, just see what they have to say about it. (We know there answer will be don't)

In other words: Cover Your *** when dealing with F&G about bears.

liketoshoot
08-14-2010, 9:26 AM
Bear spray, no questions asked and it might just deter him from coming back.
I live in the mountains and one or 3 pass thru every other night, we just watch from the safty of the porch or house as they go by.
Also put food where he can not get at it, only put it out on trash night.

Shotgun Man
08-14-2010, 9:32 AM
I have a question.

Anyone know, if you are allowed to CARRY a GUN on your side..holster etc.

In your garage ? ie..on your property. Granted the door is open.


Last night, as often happens near the foothills of Monrovia, The 650lbs Brown bear that likes to knock over our garbage.

Didnt scare away as easily.
He just stood there..looking at me. Then walked towards me. THEN ran off.
He used to just RUN off.

I have every intention of shooting him if he gets too close.
As fast as the are, I wouldnt have a chance unless I had the gun ON my ready to go.

Highly doubtful it is a brown bear.

We only have black bears in CA.

Rossi357
08-14-2010, 9:41 AM
Call fish and game dept. They will trap and relocate it.

Pvt. Cowboy
08-14-2010, 9:42 AM
Highly doubtful it is a brown bear.

We only have black bears in CA.

This is true, but Black bears can have brown fur, especially the '-Californiensis' variety.

'American Black Bear' is a species, not a color of bear.

Shotgun Man
08-14-2010, 9:45 AM
This is true, but Black bears can have brown fur, especially the '-Californiensis' variety.

'American Black Bear' is a species, not a color of bear.

Yes, I was referring to the species, as was apparently the OP, (note the capital "B" in Brown bear in the OP.)

Pvt. Cowboy
08-14-2010, 9:47 AM
Yes, I was referring to the species, as was apparently the OP, (note the capital "B" in Brown bear in the OP.)

Well, for that matter he weighed the bear too. :D

BKinzey
08-14-2010, 10:03 AM
Call Fish & Game, I wouldn't try to use a handgun on a bear but for a last ditch option.

As to carrying while in your garage I think most here would advise against it but personally I'm not convinced it would be any different than being in your house at the front/back door with the door open.

incredablehefey
08-14-2010, 10:30 AM
just keep a 12 ga out of sight loaded with slugs and you will be good

dieselpower
08-14-2010, 11:09 AM
you want to go after a Brown Bear with a handgun....you are joking right

I wasnt reading your whole post...not enough coffee in me I guess.

I assumed common black bear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOCJ3UGwdmo

Donny1
08-14-2010, 11:42 AM
My mom's house was up in Monrovia by Canyon Park and her neighbor had them lounging in the jacuzzi from time to time but they were never aggressive.

Get bear spray.

thenodnarb
08-14-2010, 11:51 AM
If it is on your property, you should be GTG to carry. Shooting a bear is not like shooting a person, granted that you must be in fear of your life or bodily damage. I know people who have had to shoot a bear in their basement, and the authorities are totally understanding. I wouldn't just call any hack at the fish and game office. I would try to talk to the actual game warden. It pays to know this guy and be friends.

If you are going to carry a handgun, 44 mag is a minimum. 500 S&W is best.

If you are in a residential neighborhood, I would seriously think twice before discharging a firearm. The potential to hurt someone is too great.

BTW bear mace is supposed to be more effective at stopping a bear attack than even a shotgun with slugs. They're about 50 bucks a can, and it would be worth it to practice with one can before you are faced with having to use it. It is also safer and more legal to leave it hanging on a hook in the garage.

In the spring, I regularly work as a night watchman in a rural area that has MANY bears. They have never attacked, and only once did they ever make me nervous. Of course a bear with cubs is the most dangerous.
I carry a 44 mag, and sometimes a shotgun. I have bear mace available to me as well, but honestly I don't carry it because the chance of attack is so slim I'm not even worried about it.

BTW, I am not a lawyer.

stitchnicklas
08-14-2010, 2:58 PM
do they make a crackhead spray??? :laugh::laugh:

Bhobbs
08-14-2010, 3:05 PM
do they make a crackhead spray??? :laugh::laugh:

You can try bear spray. :D

Aleksandr Mravinsky
08-14-2010, 3:13 PM
Regardless of the legality of shooting a bear, the original question was if it was legal to carry a handgun in a holster in an open garage, I don't see any problems with UOC, but as for loaded, I'm not sure. IANAL, but I would think that the door being open would allow a prosecutor to argue that your garage was open to the public and therefore no longer private property for the purposes of carrying a loaded gun. I know that you cannot go into your front yard with a loaded handgun unless it's fenced off, so I would guess that the same logic applies to garages as well.

CnCFunFactory
08-14-2010, 4:10 PM
I have a question.

Anyone know, if you are allowed to CARRY a GUN on your side..holster etc.

In your garage ? ie..on your property. Granted the door is open.


Last night, as often happens near the foothills of Monrovia, The 650lbs Brown bear that likes to knock over our garbage.

Didnt scare away as easily.
He just stood there..looking at me. Then walked towards me. THEN ran off.
He used to just RUN off.

I have every intention of shooting him if he gets too close.
As fast as the are, I wouldnt have a chance unless I had the gun ON my ready to go.

Uh, 650 pounds:eek:? Are we sure it isn't more like 250:p? If in fact it is 650 take a pic before you shoot it, that'd be a bear I'd like to see.

thayne
08-14-2010, 4:15 PM
just pepper spray him and run lol

hawk81
08-14-2010, 4:26 PM
He can use his gun if he fears for his life or the safety of others. Just be prepared to lawyer up afterwards. Clifornia is a POS state, with a bunch of winy little B***H socialists running the state.

garand1945
08-14-2010, 5:01 PM
Call Fish and Game, repeatedly if necessary. Have your neighbors call too. Bears in CA are rarely a threat to humans. They are more like BIG dumb dogs. Don't get too psyched out and risk a stray shot that could kill a neighbor kid because of a bear that is likely no threat

Discharge of a firearm in a residential area is still subject to local laws. If discharge is prohibited, there better be a air tight case that your life was in danger. Even then expect to spend big $$$ on your defense unless the local PD is very sympathetic.

Call F&G today and file a complaint and let them take care of it.

jigenax
08-14-2010, 5:22 PM
I wouldn't even bother with a firearm considering all of the leftist DAs in SoCal. There's too many factors working against you. Inside city limits, residential area, neighbors, Cal F&G, available alternatives, rarity of bear attacks, etc.

Do yourself a favor and just get Bear Pepper Spray and let F&G deal with the critters.

AndrewMendez
08-14-2010, 5:37 PM
I can't remember the guys name, but there is a larger gentleman at Gunrunners in Duarte. I was in there talking to him about the very situation, and he had a very solid approach to the steps you need to do to CYA. I would suggest going in to talk to him about it.

Shotgun Man
08-14-2010, 7:37 PM
Uh, 650 pounds:eek:? Are we sure it isn't more like 250:p? If in fact it is 650 take a pic before you shoot it, that'd be a bear I'd like to see.

Yeah, that's a big one, which actually lends credence to his original supposition that it was brown bear.

If it is a brown bear, don't kill it. Maybe they're staging a comeback.

They should bring back the brown bear in CA. Why not reintroduce them like the wolves in Yellowstone?

Pig Rifle
08-14-2010, 9:42 PM
If you're in your garage working with the door open, maybe you could put a small rope up across the entrance with a sign attached stating "private property". I think this would remove any claim of ambiguity as far as that whole "publicly accessible" BS.

Wild Squid
08-14-2010, 9:48 PM
To hell with whatever is legal, if you got a gun you shoot the bear to survive. "Oh wait, someone on Calguns told me that it is poaching to shoot a bear on my property ready to maul me." Reallly?
If it gets too close, it's your judgement call on YOUR property whether to shoot or not? You're not gonna stand there and ask the bear to hold on while you get out your cell phone to call F-G are you?

FS00008
08-14-2010, 10:18 PM
Call F&G. Carry a minimum of a .44, better an M38 with 203gr. JSP or the like. Something at least .30 cal and a rifle cartridge (Not 7.62x39). I'd say .308 minimum. Preferably 7MM Mag.


With regards to carry on your own property, totally legal to carry on YOUR OWN PROPERTY. WRT shooting the bear.... you're getting into murky territory there.

rt55c
08-14-2010, 11:10 PM
All you have to do is yell out "it's coming right for us!" before you shoot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgF-KAxbTmE

Brundelfly
08-15-2010, 1:13 PM
Good Info.

I have no intention of shooting it. It would have to be IN the garge before I made that decision, and to be honest, unless I was HOLDING the gun, I wouldnt have a chance. They are too fast.

We have called everyone here,...police F & G...nothing they can do.

Oh..btw.


The little one visited me today. We call him "BOO BOO".
The big one is twice his size.

This was taken 15 minutes ago:
Big Below

k1dude
08-15-2010, 1:22 PM
Boo Boo's licking his chops looking at you!

Shotgun Man
08-15-2010, 1:22 PM
Wow. That bear looks healthy.

This situation cannot continue. This bear has to learn to fear man. I would spray him.

Brundelfly
08-15-2010, 1:27 PM
http://a.imageshack.us/img541/5670/bear2h.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img838/8796/bearn.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img693/5168/bear3q.jpg

Phillips
08-15-2010, 2:18 PM
if you shoot it, make sure you kill it. dont want a wounded bear in a residental neighborhood.

Apocalypsenerd
08-15-2010, 2:47 PM
That is a pretty sizeable bear. Any hunters out there able to tell if it is a black or brown bear?

Skinny face and lack of shoulder hump makes it look like a black bear to me, albeit a very fat one.

bombadillo
08-15-2010, 3:20 PM
If you have a good reason to believe that he's coming back on a regular basis, I wouldn't have a handgun in the garage, I'd have a rifle ready instead. Use a good sized carbine .44mag with buffalo bore or a .30-06 or something similar. Bears are no joke my friend.

CnCFunFactory
08-15-2010, 3:30 PM
Thanks for the PICS! That is a fair sized bear! I'd put it at 375lb though but I am not a professional hunter or guide, so who knows.

Definitely a black bear to answer post #36.

Falstaff
08-15-2010, 4:31 PM
What about zinging him in the butt with a rubber 12ga slug? Thats what that guy in the Big Bear/Arrowhead neighborhood uses. (He's an animal control official employee though) Anyway, he says it works with most bears to make negative (ie; painful) associations with people and trashcans so they learn to stay away.

Merle
08-15-2010, 5:34 PM
A shotgun in an urban environment will definately attract attention. It's really loud.

Yesterday, lost another (#3 in about 3 years) bird feeder to the bears (mom & 2 cubs). One thing you realize quickly is if there is a food source available then the bears will come. If the food source remains, the bears won't leave.

Looking at the size of that bear, he's fat and healthy. He's not going anywhere without some real motivation.

Air horns work, and park rangers use paintballs (clear not colored). Be aware though, bears eat paintballs as most contain vegetable oils.

Ah nothing like waking up, opening the door and having that big ball of fur staring at you. Secure the trash, secure the food source and bears (and their variations like racoons) cease becoming your problem.

Scarecrow Repair
08-15-2010, 9:26 PM
A guy I know had a bear come visiting. F&G or somebody suggested filling a balloon with ammonia (NOT bleach; don't want to injure it), coating it with strawberry jam, and leaving it in the yard. Sure enough, bear got a bad mouthful. A few nights later, same bear came by on its route, stopped near the house, and departed without coming thru the yard.

Doesn't hurt to spray the garbage cans with ammonia.

San FranPsycho
08-15-2010, 10:16 PM
Regarding GARAGES, I sleep in my parents' garage during the summer, with my guns, where I work on them, so I don't see any reason your garage would be considered anything other than your home, especially when I inhabit it.

greg36f
08-16-2010, 7:57 AM
I have a question.

Anyone know, if you are allowed to CARRY a GUN on your side..holster etc.

In your garage ? ie..on your property. Granted the door is open.


Last night, as often happens near the foothills of Monrovia, The 650lbs Brown bear that likes to knock over our garbage.

Didnt scare away as easily.
He just stood there..looking at me. Then walked towards me. THEN ran off.
He used to just RUN off.

I have every intention of shooting him if he gets too close.
As fast as the are, I wouldnt have a chance unless I had the gun ON my ready to go.

To answer your question, I THINK that yes you should be able to carry a gun in your garage. The whole yard fenced / no fence seems to go to your expectation of privacy. If your yard is unfenced or if access is easy (broken down old fence, always open gate, ect.) then there is not much of an expectation of privacy. The meter guy, the traveling salesman, the cable guy, the police; anyone can just walk through your yard and up to your front door. It's what we normally would expect in our society and you cannot reasonably be upset when someone walks through your yard.

If your yard so protected with a fence and / or closed or locked gates, we are pretty much telling people to stay out. Call me or make an appointment. If you climb a fence or defeat a lock to get into my yard, I have a right to be upset.

As far as the garage goes, I think that you pretty much always have an expectation of privacy there (like a fenced yard). If you come out and someone is in your garage, you have a right to be upset. The garage is an extension of your home; you keep your stuff in there and no one should be in there. Once you walk out of the garage with a gun, all bets are off.....but in the garage, I think you are ok. In most cases, the garage is under the same roof as the house. It would seem to be included.

Think drunk in public. In your garage, probably not a good arrest; just pull the door shut and let your wife deal with you; in your driveway, probably a good arrest (the wife probably just tossed you there).

That being said, I would not shoot the bear unless you had too. It's not his fault that all that tasty food is laid out there like a buffet. If you are going to shoot it with a paint ball (sounds like a good idea) I would probably do it from the garage roof or something. There are only so many places to run from a real pissed off bear once you retreat to your garage and those transition drills you have practiced so many times (from pain ball to gun) are not so smooth and fast when you ARE BEING CHASED BY A REALLY PISSED OFF BEAR!!!!.

calgunner223
08-16-2010, 3:12 PM
I too clean and carry my firearms in the garage. Granted my garage is attached to my house (don't think that would matter) as I believe it is whether or not it is your property. Same as a business.

Saw the pics of the bear...try to deter and put the trash out closer to pick-up...maybe the morning of instead.

That was a BIG bear!

greg36f
08-16-2010, 3:52 PM
I too clean and carry my firearms in the garage. Granted my garage is attached to my house (don't think that would matter) as I believe it is whether or not it is your property. Same as a business.

Saw the pics of the bear...try to deter and put the trash out closer to pick-up...maybe the morning of instead.

That was a BIG bear!

Don't be such a scardey cat!!!!! Run over there and give it quick kick in the arse,,,,,that will teach one of you a lesson......make a good video too.....:D

androu
08-16-2010, 4:53 PM
Definately a black bear. As others have said, they come in a variety of colors despite the name. I grew up in Alaska, and had bears around our trash from time to time. They can be a real pain, if you put a good scare into him, like making a lot of noise, and/or hitting him with the pepper spray, he will probably run and may not come back, but then again. if he's been getting a good feed, he might be difficult to keep away. Please be careful, they are very unpredictable, especially with the smell of "food" in the air! I think if you shoot him, you might be in more trouble than if you shot a person. :)

gbp
08-16-2010, 5:08 PM
taze it

BKinzey
08-16-2010, 5:58 PM
taze it

:eek: DON'T TAZE ME BEAR! :eek:

:D:D

gazzavc
08-16-2010, 10:30 PM
What about firing blanks to frighten it with noise ??

Pig Rifle
08-17-2010, 5:56 PM
What about firing blanks to frighten it with noise ??

Good idea. But you'd better have a few real ones in there, in case the bear calls your bluff!:eek: