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pat038536
08-11-2010, 2:40 PM
I came across this article this morning. Isn't this a end-runaround gun registry?

If you're buying bullets, you must have a gun..right?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/SF-supervisors-gun-violence-effort-targets-bullets-100411504.html

SAN FRANCISCO — In taking aim at gun control in The City, one supervisor is looking into creating an ammunition registry that would make it easier to trace bullets bought and sold locally.

Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier said she’s working with the City Attorney’s Office to craft legislation that would essentially expand on state law that monitors handgun ammunition.

“It’s to try and crack down on gun violence,” Alioto-Pier said.

She’s attempting to get around California law that currently prohibits cities from creating a gun registry. Alioto-Pier said The City could achieve the same goal with a bullet registry that’s accessible to the public.

State gun advocates say such legislation would make San Francisco a target for lawsuits — again. Last year, California passed a law intended to more closely monitor the sale of ammunition. The law prohibits ammo from being bought or sold online. And, it requires vendors to keep a log of who’s buying ammunition.

Now, the state is looking to protect those consumers with a pending bill that would keep information about ammunition sales confidential.

“San Francisco needs to look in the mirror. They like to champion themselves as civil rights advocates, but if they don’t represent what’s confirmed is a fundamental right to bear arms, they are being hypocritical,” said Chuck Michel, chief attorney for the National Rifle Association and California Rifle and Pistol Association.

San Francisco has a long history of brushing up against the NRA and gun advocates in an effort to crack down on gun control.

In 2009, The City was sued by gun advocates who challenged an ordinance that forces gun owners to either store their firearms in a locked container or disable them with trigger locks.

In 2008, the NRA and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms sued San Francisco, challenging The City’s ordinances that prohibit possession of firearms on city-controlled properties such as parks, stadiums, hospitals and recreation centers.

And in 2003, San Francisco, along with many other cities, reached a settlement with gun industry distributors and dealers to include major distribution reforms and payment.


I did search first.. nothing came up.

gunn
08-11-2010, 2:47 PM
Why are they wasting my money again?
Didn't the handgun ban cost SF $1M?

Goddamn.. I'd rather pay for another rocket ship statue than this worthless
legislation.
-g

The Original Godfather
08-11-2010, 2:50 PM
One of the largest cities to support same sex marriage and now this?! :confused:

berto
08-11-2010, 3:12 PM
Who sells ammunition in SF?

gadjeep
08-11-2010, 3:32 PM
No more gun shops in SF, no ammo dealers in SF. Must be no gun crime in SF.

QuarterBoreGunner
08-11-2010, 3:48 PM
One of the largest cities to support same sex marriage and now this?! :confused:

Irrelevant, emphasis mine.

Yeah, I do believe this would only affect Highbridge Arms, the sole remaining gun store in the city. How they stay open I have no idea.

gadjeep
08-11-2010, 3:52 PM
I thought highbridge moved to san bruno, no?

Flopper
08-11-2010, 3:56 PM
Irrelevant, emphasis mine.

I could be wrong, but I think you're reading into his post incorrectly.

I took his post as meaning, "How absurd! What hypocrisy; they came out on the side of Civil Rights when it came to gay marriage, but they're coming out on the side of tyranny in regards to RKBA."

dantodd
08-11-2010, 4:41 PM
'bout the only thing to say about this law is:


http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/emoticons/guraanimate1.gif

wildhawker
08-11-2010, 4:47 PM
SAN FRANCISCO EYES AMMUNITION REGISTRY; CCRKBA VOWS LAWSUIT

BELLEVUE, WA – Today’s revelation that the City of San Francisco might consider an ammunition registry scheme brought a promise from the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms that a lawsuit would quickly follow.

CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb said in a report in the San Francisco Examiner that Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier is working with the City Attorney’s Office to “craft legislation” regarding an ammunition registry shows the city has learned nothing from its defeat in court over a 2005 gun ban proposition. CCRKBA joined the Second Amendment Foundation, National Rifle Association and other plaintiffs in the lawsuit that nullified the ban because it violates state statute. Now that the Second Amendment has been incorporated to the states by the U.S. Supreme Court, proposals like this one are even more dubious, he observed.

“It appears that Alioto-Pier is trying to be too clever by half,” Gottlieb said. “It’s a de facto registration scheme hiding behind a make-believe effort to crack down on violent crime, and she knows it. We will fight it.”

He noted that it is ironic for the city to be considering such an idea on the eve of the annual Gun Rights Policy Conference, scheduled for the weekend of Sept. 24-26 at the San Francisco Airport Hyatt Regency hotel. Gun rights activists and experts from across the nation will gather at the hotel to discuss recent court cases, current legal actions and anti-gun proposals like the one now reportedly being formulated by Alioto-Pier.

“It would seem to me that with the state’s economy in tatters, cutbacks in public safety budgets and federal courts mandating that more criminals must be released from prisons that the city would not make it harder for citizens to defend themselves,” Gottlieb stated. “But in San Francisco, it is politically fashionable to penalize honest people for the misbehavior of the criminal element. It makes you wonder whose side the government is on.

“You can bet we’ll be discussing this at our conference in September,” he concluded. “Ms. Alioto-Pier has an open invitation to attend and explain her scheme to a room full of experts.”


With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation’s premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States. The Citizens Committee can be reached by phone at (425) 454-4911, on the Internet at www.ccrkba.org or by email to InformationRequest@ccrkba.org.

dantodd
08-11-2010, 4:51 PM
What's the different between CCRKBA and SAF?

wildhawker
08-11-2010, 4:53 PM
What's the different between CCRKBA and SAF?

One's a 501(c)3 (SAF), the other a 501(c)4 (CCRKBA).

ElCUBANO
08-11-2010, 5:14 PM
Were can you even buy ammo in sf. I thought the city was broke why don't you worry about balancing the budget instead of worry abut S--T that's not a problem. I am still pissed about having to give these AH 5% of my pay back for two dam years.

POLICESTATE
08-11-2010, 5:20 PM
Budgets are wrecked, people are becoming more disillusioned with government by the day and all these morons in SF can do is think up some stupid ruse to pander a few more votes for their re-election.

trashman
08-11-2010, 6:47 PM
Yeah, I do believe this would only affect Highbridge Arms, the sole remaining gun store in the city. How they stay open I have no idea.

FWIW I think they're only open by appointment now - focussing solely on importation and sales to local PDs. Their primary retail front is now, I believe, Golden Gate Guns in San Bruno.

--Neill

tonelar
08-11-2010, 11:07 PM
Highbridge doesn't sell anything to the public anymore in SF/ They're strictly export and keeping cops supplied.

Their public store is now GG Guns in San Bruno.

cmaynes
08-11-2010, 11:23 PM
Alioto = FAIL.

That family should be escorted to the city limits and be barred from re-entry. The west side city limits would be best.

Secret
08-11-2010, 11:26 PM
fml... fml... WHY CALIFORNIA. Ever since i purchased my first gun and read up on the laws, i realised how much The Republic of Kalifornia SUCKS.



Please signature this, first time typeing kalifornia with a k.

jdberger
08-11-2010, 11:37 PM
Lawyers or Librarians....

LCAV costs that city more money in legal fees........

Maybe this would be an opportune time to remind SF how expensive it is to listen to Robyn Thomas and Juliet Leftwich.

A simple chart showing legislation, final disposition and attorney's fees should fit the bill. We can even toss in the cost of the cops called to stifle the protestors at the LCAV dinner.

Now - who has my Court Case chart?

SJgunguy24
08-11-2010, 11:43 PM
Lawyers or Librarians....

LCAV costs that city more money in legal fees........

Maybe this would be an opportune time to remind SF how expensive it is to listen to Robyn Thomas and Juliet Leftwich.

A simple chart showing legislation, final disposition and attorney's fees should fit the bill. We can even toss in the cost of the cops called to stifle the protestors at the LCAV dinner.

Now - who has my Court Case chart?

JD, we tried that with Oakland. They didn't learn. SF pulled this same sh** before, they still haven't learned.
Read my sig line, some people never learn.

Purple K
08-11-2010, 11:50 PM
Some just learn slower!

Citizen 14
08-11-2010, 11:59 PM
Thank god! This should finally end all gun crime in San Francisco!:laugh:

jdberger
08-12-2010, 12:04 AM
Stuff like this, from the Supes who should know better since they've been spanked before, strengthen's my resolve to have the first annual Calguns Foundation Dinner at San Francisco City Hall.

I'm happy to pull Gavin's tail.

jdberger
08-12-2010, 12:05 AM
JD, we tried that with Oakland. They didn't learn. SF pulled this same sh** before, they still haven't learned.
Read my sig line, some people never learn.

But Emeryville and San Mateo did....

And Oakland is low hanging fruit. :chris:

JanG
08-12-2010, 12:10 AM
fml... fml... WHY CALIFORNIA. Ever since i purchased my first gun and read up on the laws, i realised how much The Republic of Kalifornia SUCKS.



Please signature this, first time typeing kalifornia with a k.

i learned that with modifying cars

nick
08-12-2010, 12:19 AM
Irrelevant, emphasis mine.

Yeah, I do believe this would only affect Highbridge Arms, the sole remaining gun store in the city. How they stay open I have no idea.

There's a gun store in SF??? Wish I knew that, I would've stopped by when I visited SF last month. It would be the sight to see :)

nick
08-12-2010, 12:23 AM
Stuff like this, from the Supes who should know better since they've been spanked before, strengthen's my resolve to have the first annual Calguns Foundation Dinner at San Francisco City Hall.

I'm happy to pull Gavin's tail.

If SF keeps this up, SF City Hall will probably be owned by Alan Gura and Chuck Michel, anyway. I hope they give a Calguns discount.

freonr22
08-12-2010, 12:27 AM
Lawyers or Librarians....

LCAV costs that city more money in legal fees........

Maybe this would be an opportune time to remind SF how expensive it is to listen to Robyn Thomas and Juliet Leftwich.

A simple chart showing legislation, final disposition and attorney's fees should fit the bill. We can even toss in the cost of the cops called to stifle the protestors at the LCAV dinner.

Now - who has my Court Case chart?

Well, it creates jobs, also by spending they increase their budget and demonstrate their needs to grow their departments. It costs them nothing personally, as all of us on this board pay for it 2x. 1x writing and fight to pass the law @ the city level, then to defeat it. what a travesty our state of affairs is. and we can doo very little about it.

yellowfin
08-12-2010, 5:41 AM
Budgets are wrecked, people are becoming more disillusioned with government by the day and all these morons in SF can do is think up some stupid ruse to pander a few more votes for their re-election.Why wouldn't they? It's worked for them enough times for them to keep getting reelected and that's all they really care about. The worse off things are the more problems they can claim to have solutions to, and the longer those problems persist the more people need them around to supposedly try to fix them. Government creates its own demand.

Ed_in_Sac
08-12-2010, 6:06 AM
Thanking the OP for a great heads up on this. So how would this law have prevented the recent shooting of a 50 yr old German tourist, apparently by warring gangs in Union Square. Think they let the only suspect go without charges. Funny, never heard the 18 yr olds name nor was his citizenship status reported, could just be my Sac Bee's fault.

yellowfin
08-12-2010, 6:15 AM
JD, we tried that with Oakland. They didn't learn. SF pulled this same sh** before, they still haven't learned. Read my sig line, some people never learn.People won't learn when they don't have to, especially when it's in their interests not to. Suppose it is driving the city broke. Good! That gives them the opportunity to scream and squeal they need to raise taxes because the firemen and police and teachers don't have any money. Taxation screws the businesses, putting more people out of work. Good! More dependent voters who need a handout, subsidies for various things that can't make it in a competitive market, etc. More crime? Good! More speeches by the police about how they've gotta do more to keep the neighborhoods safe.

The problem is in a government with opposite interests to its people. They'll NEVER learn to do the good thing if it isn't good for them.

glbtrottr
08-12-2010, 6:19 AM
Hm. I wonder if the shooter was a democratic voter or a welfare recipient - we can't be messing with our votes, now, can we?

Vote the pluckers out.

Big Jake
08-12-2010, 6:27 AM
Yet another example of the stupidity of the libtards who run the city by the bay!

twotap
08-12-2010, 9:52 AM
Just boycott anything S.F.
You don't need crotchless chaps anyway

QuarterBoreGunner
08-12-2010, 10:00 AM
Just boycott anything S.F.
You don't need crotchless chaps anyway

Good luck with that:

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So unless you're prepared to display the courage of your convictions not use ANY of the goods and services provided by the companies above.... like I said, good luck with that. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

jdberger
08-12-2010, 10:05 AM
You missed all the law firms....

and the independent restaurants....

and Kink.com ;)

383green
08-12-2010, 10:12 AM
Based on that list, if I wanted to boycott SF then I'd need to consider changing the Schlage locks on my workshop. And that's about it. :shrug:

Even if I did regularly do business with more of those companies, I highly doubt that it would make enough of a difference in any of their bottom lines for them to apply pressure to SF government to change local firearms-related laws.

I could very easily boycott SF... and it would make no difference at all to the companies there that I don't happen to do ongoing business with anyway, and even if it did, it would not effect the situation that concerns me. It would be a meaningless gesture.

twotap
08-12-2010, 10:14 AM
Don't see anything on your list I use except P. G .& E .And even then just half of that.

Got Chaps ?
In my opinion SF is just a place to get CRABS

QuarterBoreGunner
08-12-2010, 10:23 AM
See the problem with boycotts is that you never know how far reaching the goods and services reach for the company you're trying to affect.

For example - if you wanted to boycott SF then you'd have to not use any structures, bridges or buildings that Bechtel has ever built. That might be difficult.
What about cell phone use? If you have AT&T you're using cell towers and base station equipment that was installed by Bechtel Telecom and/or a 3rd party on contract to them.
How about when you watch movies that utilize Dolby Audio or heck even movies made by Lucasfilms or any movie that has special effects by ILM?
And no more Craigslist or any of the internet services by any of the companies listed above.
No video games by Sega.
No canned good by Del Monte.
No clothes from The Gap, Old Navy or Banana Republic.

It can get quite absurd rapidly. It's like trying to buy a car that is 100% American made.

And yeah, I left kink.com off the list but I *did* include Good Vibrations.

Wherryj
08-12-2010, 10:27 AM
I came across this article this morning. Isn't this a end-runaround gun registry?

If you're buying bullets, you must have a gun..right?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/SF-supervisors-gun-violence-effort-targets-bullets-100411504.html


I did search first.. nothing came up.

Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier: apparently she has a family member who is a lawyer looking for some work? This could be a very profitable law-for the lawyers involved.

Wherryj
08-12-2010, 10:29 AM
Don't see anything on your list I use except P. G .& E .And even then just half of that.

Got Chaps ?
In my opinion SF is just a place to get CRABS

Speaking of SF, power and crabs makes me think that you meant the Power Exchange rather than the warf? LOL

twotap
08-12-2010, 10:35 AM
When I said boycott I mean with your tourist dollar . Just don't go or recommend SF

YubaRiver
08-12-2010, 10:42 AM
See the problem with boycotts is that you never know how far reaching the goods and services reach for the company you're trying to affect.

For example - if you wanted to boycott SF then you'd have to not use any structures, bridges or buildings that Bechtel has ever built. That might be difficult.
What about cell phone use? If you have AT&T you're using cell towers and base station equipment that was installed by Bechtel Telecom and/or a 3rd party on contract to them.
How about when you watch movies that utilize Dolby Audio or heck even movies made by Lucasfilms or any movie that has special effects by ILM?
And no more Craigslist or any of the internet services by any of the companies listed above.
No video games by Sega.
No canned good by Del Monte.
No clothes from The Gap, Old Navy or Banana Republic.

It can get quite absurd rapidly. It's like trying to buy a car that is 100% American made.

And yeah, I left kink.com off the list but I *did* include Good Vibrations.

I boycott companies at MY convenience. I can't do a total boycott, sure,
but given a choice between an offending company or product and another,
you know which one I will choose.

I don't buy Peet's coffee as a rule. Sometimes I need a cup while on the
road and Peet's may be the only one at the quick stop. Then I'll
have one.

I don't litter either, and have been know to pick up the occasional bit of trash. Maybe it doesn't effect the big picture, but it is part of my outlook
on life.

paul0660
08-12-2010, 10:45 AM
It has been evident for years that when Michela paralyzed herself in a skiing accident, she hit her head really hard as well. She ran for 1st district Congressman up here in 1996, and was a laff riot.

QuarterBoreGunner
08-12-2010, 10:54 AM
I boycott companies at MY convenience. I can't do a total boycott, sure,
but given a choice between an offending company or product and another,
you know which one I will choose.

I don't buy Peet's coffee as a rule. Sometimes I need a cup while on the
road and Peet's may be the only one at the quick stop. Then I'll
have one.

I don't litter either, and have been know to pick up the occasional bit of trash. Maybe it doesn't effect the big picture, but it is part of my outlook
on life.

And I totally get that; it's just that I hear a lot of knee-jerk "BOYCOTT (insert company/city/state)!" and I think that people forget how far the octopus arms of big corporation, city or state, can reach.
And heck yeah you can do it on a case by case basis for purely symbolic reasons, as long as you realize that that is the actual case.
Heck, I try to never buy products made in China, just on principle... and damn, do you have any idea how hard that is?

Eargasm
08-12-2010, 2:02 PM
Funny, never heard the 18 yr olds name nor was his citizenship status reported, could just be my Sac Bee's fault.

Phillip Stewart. They didn't say whether or not he was a citizen.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_15729970?source=rss




Edit: Added link

Ed_in_Sac
08-12-2010, 3:42 PM
Phillip Stewart. They didn't say whether or not he was a citizen.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_15729970?source=rss




Edit: Added link

Thanks, I did not see a name in the local paper...

Glock22Fan
08-12-2010, 6:00 PM
I always avoid Sara Lee products, and, unless there's no alternative, Conoco Philips.

Robidouxs
08-12-2010, 7:13 PM
Stuff like this, from the Supes who should know better since they've been spanked before, strengthen's my resolve to have the first annual Calguns Foundation Dinner at San Francisco City Hall.

I'm happy to pull Gavin's tail.

If you can plan it far enough ahead I would happily travel up from San Luis Obispo just to have this event happen. I might be able to get a number of people to come just because it is going to be held in SF. Given that the city is in a budgetary quagmire, they would likely take the funds necessary to rent out the appropriate rooms. Heck, why not even rent some police officers while we are at it, we have to protect ourselves from all the gun totting criminals present in SF....just kidding!

Skidmark
08-12-2010, 7:45 PM
“It’s to try and crack down on gun violence,” Alioto-Pier said.

She’s attempting to get around California law that currently prohibits cities from creating a gun registry. Alioto-Pier said The City could achieve the same goal with a bullet registry that’s accessible to the public.

Just stunningly stupid. It would be a gun registry without any registrations, no savvy citizen would buy their ammoe within the City. Or, would her proposed legislation track and follow SF residents who went to Daly City for their ammunition?

Purple K
08-15-2010, 2:50 PM
Stuff like this, from the Supes who should know better since they've been spanked before, strengthen's my resolve to have the first annual Calguns Foundation Dinner at San Francisco City Hall.

I'm happy to pull Gavin's tail.

I'll sponsor a table!

Purple K
08-15-2010, 2:54 PM
and Kink.com ;)

You naughty boy :eek:

Wrangler John
08-15-2010, 5:53 PM
Even worse, you can't buy plastic pipe in S.F.. I had to drive to Colma for a length to fix a sprinkler system for a friend. Guy in the hardware store said they couldn't sell it. Isn't plumbing a fundamental right too?

QuarterBoreGunner
08-15-2010, 6:54 PM
Even worse, you can't buy plastic pipe in S.F.. I had to drive to Colma for a length to fix a sprinkler system for a friend. Guy in the hardware store said they couldn't sell it. Isn't plumbing a fundamental right too?

Huh? Why? the new Home Despot they're building on Bayshore at Cortland should have miles of it. Wonder what the restriction is?

turbogg
08-15-2010, 7:14 PM
Yet another example of the stupidity of the libtards who run the city by the bay!


Yup! SF is without one of the most insanely liberal cities on earth! What else would you expect from the offspring of the Haight /Ashbury drug addicts of the 60's.

QuarterBoreGunner
08-15-2010, 7:28 PM
Yup! SF is without one of the most insanely liberal cities on earth! What else would you expect from the offspring of the Haight /Ashbury drug addicts of the 60's.

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there; you might want to think about your words before you post them.