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spgripside
08-08-2010, 4:36 PM
Below are $1,623,401 of grants from the Joyce Foundation (http://www.joycefdn.org) to an number of anti gun groups, released on 7/20/10.


Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Ceasefire Pennsylvania Education Fund (http://www.ceasefirepa.org/)
Philadelphia, PA
Amount: $50,000.00
Length: 4
To support the engagement of Pennsylvania citizens at the grassroots level in forty targeted municipalities.



Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Legal Community Against Violence (http://www.lcav.org/)
Amount: $33,000.00
Length: 4
To support its state legislative tracking project.



Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Media Matters for America (http://mediamatters.org/)
Washington, DC
Amount: $400,000.00
Length: 24
To support a gun and public safety issue initiative.



Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence (http://www.ohioceasefire.org/)
Amount: $55,000.00
Length: 6
To build support for gun violence prevention policy in Ohio.



Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Police Executive Research Forum (http://www.policeforum.org/index.asp)
Washington, DC
Amount: $70,401.00
Length: 12
To support a national study of gun enforcement practices among state and local law enforcement agencies.



Tuesday, July 20, 2010
President and Fellows of Harvard College (http://www.harvard.edu/)
Amount: $600,000.00
Length: 12
To conduct and promote firearms research, disseminate research findings, provide technical assistance to advocates, police and others, and to conduct the 'Means Matter' campaign.



Tuesday, July 20, 2010
States United to Prevent Gun Violence (http://supgv.org/)
Chicago, IL
Amount: $100,000.00
Length: 6
To provide organizational development support and web/tech training and support to strengthen state gun violence prevention organizations.



Tuesday, July 20, 2010
WAVE Educational Fund (http://www.waveedfund.org/)
Amount: $315,000.00
Length: 12
To support the Wisconsin Gun Violence Prevention Project.

Super Spy
08-08-2010, 4:40 PM
So Harvard is anti-gun and being paid to conduct research? Lovely.

vantec08
08-08-2010, 4:47 PM
.. . . . and Hahvahd accepts $ from antis to "research." It's just another hangout for the arrogant.

Shotgun Man
08-08-2010, 4:48 PM
They should just give the money to Alan Gura, et al.

Why employ a middle man?

spgripside
08-08-2010, 4:58 PM
President and Fellows of Harvard College previously was granted $600,000 on 12/4/2008, and $325000 on 4/10/2008. Also, Harvard University School of Public Health was granted $700000 on 7/21/2005, and $80000 on 12/4/2003. All from the Joyce Foundation.

MSO4MATT
08-08-2010, 5:05 PM
They should just give the money to Alan Gura, et al.

Why employ a middle man?

LMFAO!

Skidmark
08-08-2010, 5:25 PM
Below are $1,623,401 of grants from the Joyce Foundation (http://www.joycefdn.org) to an number of anti gun groups, released on 7/20/10.

Link to the specific grants: http://www.joycefdn.org/content.cfm/program-grants-list-3

In your post above, do you really mean to imply that all grant recipients are "anti gun"?

spgripside
08-08-2010, 5:39 PM
In your post above, do you really mean to imply that all grant recipients are "anti gun"?

These grants are all from Joyce's gun violence program (http://www.joycefdn.org/content.cfm/programs-gun-violence), run by Nina Vinik, formerly of LCAV. The purpose is to directly and indirectly support gun control through various means. So I believe the recipients I listed above are anti-gun.

Tim Leese
08-08-2010, 5:50 PM
Lots of good info here that I wasnt aware of.

spgripside
08-08-2010, 6:15 PM
LCAV only got $33,000 from Joyce this time. Much less than in the past.

7/23/2009 $100000
4/16/2009 $340000
12/4/2008 $325000
12/6/2007 $300000
4/11/2007 $400000
4/13/2005 $380000
4/8/2004 $125000

Maybe their failures are becoming more evident.

Next round of Joyce grants should come early December.

yellowfin
08-08-2010, 7:18 PM
...And we haven't destroyed these pond scum, why exactly? There are SEVERAL ways to wipe out every dime they have, some of them in a matter of hours, all of them legal (AFIAK). There are plenty of people on here as intelligent and knowledgeable as myself and many more than myself, with considerably more resources, that I seriously wonder what the hesitation is.

At any rate, why the heck do they need to give money to Harvard? Harvard has more money than a lot of small countries, and a vastly better credit rating than the US federal government. The interest on the endowment fund could pay the faculty payroll and pensions for several universities not just their own.

Skidmark
08-08-2010, 7:28 PM
These grants are all from Joyce's gun violence program (http://www.joycefdn.org/content.cfm/programs-gun-violence), run by Nina Vinik, formerly of LCAV. The purpose is to directly and indirectly support gun control through various means. So I believe the recipients I listed above are anti-gun.

I understand now, though I think it's an incorrect assumption to ascribe an attribute of the donor to the recipient. When I give money to a candidate with the express intention of influencing their vote, does that make them or mean that they hold the same ideology that I do? Of course not.

spgripside
08-08-2010, 7:56 PM
I understand now, though I think it's an incorrect assumption to ascribe an attribute of the donor to the recipient.

That was not my intention. Clearly Joyce is anti-gun and their gun violence grants are made to further that cause. I have created links on my original post to these anti gun recipients. Please feel free to research these organizations, their research, their finances, and their anti gun agendas. I'd like to hear what you find.

Shotgun Man
08-08-2010, 8:00 PM
...And we haven't destroyed these pond scum, why exactly? There are SEVERAL ways to wipe out every dime they have, some of them in a matter of hours, all of them legal (AFIAK). There are plenty of people on here as intelligent and knowledgeable as myself and many more than myself, with considerably more resources, that I seriously wonder what the hesitation is.

At any rate, why the heck do they need to give money to Harvard? Harvard has more money than a lot of small countries, and a vastly better credit rating than the US federal government. The interest on the endowment fund could pay the faculty payroll and pensions for several universities not just their own.

You just made me laugh in a good way.

Purple K
08-08-2010, 8:16 PM
Now that gun ownership and use has been affirmed as a civil right, could these contributions be considered a civil rights violation? Could we sue them to stop the contributions? Could they be charged with conspiracy? Maybe we could use the RICO act against the Bradys, Joyce Found. and others?

RRangel
08-08-2010, 8:24 PM
I understand now, though I think it's an incorrect assumption to ascribe an attribute of the donor to the recipient. When I give money to a candidate with the express intention of influencing their vote, does that make them or mean that they hold the same ideology that I do? Of course not.

In this case it's not an incorrect assumption. Do you give more than one million dollars to organizations with a zeal for finding ways to attack the Second Amendment? Of course that's highly doubtful, but if so I could see how you'd object, otherwise the original poster's point is true. The Joyce Foundation has long been complicit in the race to thwart the Second Amendment and this fact is not a revelation.

spgripside
08-08-2010, 9:42 PM
There are SEVERAL ways to wipe out every dime they have, some of them in a matter of hours, all of them legal (AFIAK).


Which ways would you suggest?

wash
08-09-2010, 10:32 AM
We should all worry about the donations to Public Health groups.

People trust doctors so they want all doctors to be anti-gun.

"Public health" concerns are why you can't buy a three wheel ATV. They want to use the same technique on every gun ever made.

We have to find some way to deal with this threat.

jpr9954
08-09-2010, 3:02 PM
We should all worry about the donations to Public Health groups.

People trust doctors so they want all doctors to be anti-gun.

"Public health" concerns are why you can't buy a three wheel ATV. They want to use the same technique on every gun ever made.

We have to find some way to deal with this threat.

I agree fully. If you look at the the funding that they have given this year, $800K has gone to "public health" groups. Another $500K has been given the journalists or organizations related to them.

Both major grant areas are akin to what Joyce did when they sponsored law school and law journal symposiums. They are seeking to build influence for gun control outside their traditional gun control groups. This, in my opinion, is much more dangerous to our rights than a grant to the Brady Campaign.

jdberger
08-09-2010, 3:08 PM
President and Fellows of Harvard College previously was granted $600,000 on 12/4/2008, and $325000 on 4/10/2008. Also, Harvard University School of Public Health was granted $700000 on 7/21/2005, and $80000 on 12/4/2003. All from the Joyce Foundation.

I can't remember for sure (a search would clear it up) but I think that this is part of a Bloomberg scholarship....

jdberger
08-09-2010, 3:24 PM
I agree fully. If you look at the the funding that they have given this year, $800K has gone to "public health" groups. Another $500K has been given the journalists or organizations related to them.

Both major grant areas are akin to what Joyce did when they sponsored law school and law journal symposiums. They are seeking to build influence for gun control outside their traditional gun control groups. This, in my opinion, is much more dangerous to our rights than a grant to the Brady Campaign.

For quite a while, the antis have been trying to redefine guns as a public health issue. They (under Clinton) got the CDC to approach "gun violence" from a epidemiological perspective. The Harvard Injury Control Research Center http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/ is in the vanguard of that movement.

A correction on the post above: It's Johns Hopkins who's associated with Bloomberg - noteably the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research which is part of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
http://www.jhsph.edu/gunpolicy/about_us.html

They recieved $179,971 from the Joyce Foundation "For support of research on policies that can more effectively restrict firearm ownership to law-abiding persons" in 2009.

Does anyone really think it's an incorrect assumption to ascribe an attribute of the donor to the recipient?

yellowfin
08-09-2010, 3:35 PM
Which ways would you suggest?They read this forum, you know. It would kind of defeat the point to point out exactly how because then they MIGHT cover it. But suffice it to say I can think of several businesses, individuals, and brokerages that have been brought down by one or more of four or five ways that immediately come to mind. The delicious revenge in it would be that George Soros himself has done one of them to someone else at least once that we know of for sure.

Curtis
08-09-2010, 3:58 PM
I was reading some of the information on the Harvard School of Public Health. This was what jumped out at me:

Firearms access is a risk factor for suicide (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/risk/index.html)

Wherryj
08-09-2010, 4:14 PM
They should just give the money to Alan Gura, et al.

Why employ a middle man?

Quote of the day?

spgripside
08-10-2010, 2:19 AM
They read this forum, you know. It would kind of defeat the point to point out exactly how because then they MIGHT cover it. But suffice it to say I can think of several businesses, individuals, and brokerages that have been brought down by one or more of four or five ways that immediately come to mind.
I know we are being observed. It was a bad question for a public forum. Please pm if you would like to discuss more.

wildhawker
08-10-2010, 2:31 AM
Here are potential or actual known recipients whose funding would be an excellent and interesting addition to the relational database:

Garen Wintemute, MD, MPH
Professor of Emergency Medicine
Director, Violence Prevention Research Program
School of Medicine
University of California, Davis
http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/publications/

David Hemenway, PhD
Professor of Health Policy
Director, Harvard Injury Control Research Center
Harvard School of Public Health

Daniel Webster, ScD, MPH
Co-Director, Center for Gun Policy and Research
Associate Professor of Health Policy and Management
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Glenn Pierce, PhD
Acting Director
Institute for Security and Public Policy
Principal Research Scientist
College of Criminal Justice
Northeastern University

Anthony A. Braga, PhD
Lecturer in Public Policy
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
Senior Research Fellow
Berkeley Center for Criminal Justice
University of California, Berkeley

jdberger
08-10-2010, 9:45 AM
Excellent suggestions.

yellowfin
08-10-2010, 9:57 AM
Co-Director, Center for Gun Policy and Research
Associate Professor of Health Policy and Management
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public HealthGee, can anyone guess why that was created and by whom? It also illustrates the problem in how that doesn't have a name tacked onto it that we associate with a rich PRO GUN millionaire. There's gotta be a few, they're just not doing this sort of thing. Is it any wonder academia does what it does? We don't talk to them like the other side does.

Milsurp Collector
08-10-2010, 10:15 AM
The Brady Campaign sure could use some of that money. They have only $9,636 cash on hand to contribute to like-minded candidates http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00113449

The NRA has $11,532,661 http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00053553

:D

Uriah02
08-10-2010, 10:18 AM
Mission Statement

The Joyce Foundation supports efforts to protect the natural environment of the Great Lakes, to reduce poverty and violence in the region, and to ensure that its people have access to good schools, decent jobs, and a diverse and thriving culture. We are especially interested in improving public policies, because public systems such as education and welfare directly affect the lives of so many people, and because public policies help shape private sector decisions about jobs, the environment, and the health of our communities. To ensure that public policies truly reflect public rather than private interests, we support efforts to reform the system of financing election campaigns.


Looking at the wording of their mission statement is it any surprise?

jdberger
08-10-2010, 10:18 AM
The Brady Campaign sure could use some of that money. They have only $9,636 cash on hand to contribute to like-minded candidates http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00113449

The NRA has $11,532,661 http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00053553

:D

That's not entirely true. Brady has shifted their operations to lobbying. Their lobbying arm doesn't have to disclose inclome because they aren't a non-profit (much like NRA/PVF).

Skidmark
08-10-2010, 5:12 PM
In this case it's not an incorrect assumption. Do you give more than one million dollars to organizations with a zeal for finding ways to attack the Second Amendment? Of course that's highly doubtful, but if so I could see how you'd object, otherwise the original poster's point is true. The Joyce Foundation has long been complicit in the race to thwart the Second Amendment and this fact is not a revelation.

Not saying anything about Joyce Foundation, their aim seems perfectly clear. I disagreed with the notion that all recipients of their money can be uniformly labeled as "anti gun."