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Alaric
08-07-2010, 8:00 PM
Glad they caught this guy. I wonder how many more guns he's "confiscated" for his own collection.

Story here (http://www.nctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/article_beba3eaf-8e2c-57e8-8a5e-1b084147f2f1.html).

A Long Beach police officer is under arrest for allegedly stealing confiscated weapons that a business turned over to the department.
Police officials said Friday that Officer Damian Ramos, a five-year veteran of the department, was arrested on suspicion of grand theft of firearms. He is being held on $1 million bail.
Officials say they began investigating Ramos after a business turned over weapons to the department and some of them went missing.
Police spokeswoman Nancy Pratt couldn't provide further details about the weapons or the evidence against Ramos.

Another one (http://www.lbpost.com/ryan/10236)...
An officer of the Long Beach Police Department (LBPD) has been arrested for stealing firearms that had been turned over for evidence, in an investigation conducted internally by the LBPD. He has been booked at the Los Angeles County Men's Central Jail and is being held on $1,000,000 bail.

Damian Ramos, a five-year employee of the department, was arrested on charges of grand theft of weapons after the LBPD conducted searches with multiple warrants and acquired evidence connecting Ramos to the case. A press release did not state what evidence was recovered, or specify the type of firearms in question.

Ramos apparently was called to a business after a found property call and received numerous weapons that were to be entered into evidence. The department found, however, that the number of weapons turned in did not match the number that had been reported by the business. Police then conducted searches and found evidence connecting Ramos to the crime, although the press release did not specify whether or not the firearms have been recovered.

"Upon learning of the potential misconduct by one of our own, we took swift action to ensure that the investigation was handled thoroughly, and I am confident that these were the actions of a single officer," reads a statement from Long Beach Chief of Police Jim McDonnell. "It is our responsibility to ensure the publicís trust within our Police Department, and anyone who compromises the integrity of this organization will be dealt with immediately."

Ramos has been suspended without pay while the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office Justice Integrity Division is presented with the case.

Let's not turn this into a bash on LEO's. Clearly there are good and bad ones.

battleship
08-07-2010, 8:27 PM
How more dumb can you get. Out of a job and looking at jail time.

CSACANNONEER
08-07-2010, 8:31 PM
Let's not turn this into a bash on LEO's. Clearly there are good and bad ones.

Yes, clearly some good ones took this criminal into custody!

bjl333
08-07-2010, 8:36 PM
Glad they caught this guy.

Let's not turn this into a bash on LEO's. Clearly there are good and bad ones.

How more dumb can you get. Out of a job and looking at jail time.

Yes, clearly some good ones took this criminal into custody!

Nuff said !!! Clearly how dumb can one get ... :mad:

CSDGuy
08-07-2010, 8:49 PM
I am glad someone was paying attention to this... And that they rooted out the bad apple. There are lots of good ones out there. Too bad it takes something like this to show it.

joedogboy
08-07-2010, 8:57 PM
That's the way it needs to work. When cops break the law, they cease to be cops, and become criminals.

Big Jake
08-07-2010, 9:05 PM
This guy is a real jerk! What did he plan to do with the guns?

BigDogatPlay
08-07-2010, 9:27 PM
One of the worst things, but also one of the best things, a cop can do is have to hook up another cop. If he indeed pilfered those firearms that were supposed to be delivered for safe keeping, then he deserves whatever punishment (including loss of office) that a court sees fit to give.

nick
08-07-2010, 10:10 PM
Looks like gun owners in Long Beach are a bit safer tonight.

Do remember to keep a list of your firearms, with pictures.

HUTCH 7.62
08-07-2010, 10:19 PM
My pops has a Howa Armalight AR-180 with the original box with 2 armalight 20 rnd mags. years ago after the 2nd AW reg he decided he wanted to turn his rifle into Palo Alto Police dept. but after the way the conduted themselves after seeing it he knew in his heart that it would not be destroyed and become some PAPD officers new addition to his collection.

with that said I am not surprised by the actions of a Long Beach officer. And I cannot say if in his position I would find it hard not to be tempted.

Rob454
08-07-2010, 10:36 PM
with that said I am not surprised by the actions of a Long Beach officer. And I cannot say if in his position I would find it hard not to be tempted.

Tempted to do what? Be a thief? Its not your gun or decision to make. if I took my guns in and asked for them to be destroyed thats my choice. It doesnt mean you can go in and help yourself just because you can.
The cop is a idiot. not only did he screw up his job he is possibly gonna go to jail now also.

nick
08-07-2010, 10:38 PM
My pops has a Howa Armalight AR-180 with the original box with 2 armalight 20 rnd mags. years ago after the 2nd AW reg he decided he wanted to turn his rifle into Palo Alto Police dept. but after the way the conduted themselves after seeing it he knew in his heart that it would not be destroyed and become some PAPD officers new addition to his collection.

with that said I am not surprised by the actions of a Long Beach officer. And I cannot say if in his position I would find it hard not to be tempted.

Tempted, sure, one can be tempted all he wants. Acting on that temptation is where the problem is :)

cannon
08-07-2010, 11:23 PM
How more dumb can you get.

felony dumb.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
08-07-2010, 11:44 PM
Not especially bright, that one (if the allegations are proven true). No firearm is worth your job, honor and self-respect.

Omil
08-07-2010, 11:51 PM
Glad they caught this guy. I wonder how many more guns he's "confiscated" for his own collection.

Story here (http://www.nctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/article_beba3eaf-8e2c-57e8-8a5e-1b084147f2f1.html).



Another one (http://www.lbpost.com/ryan/10236)...


Let's not turn this into a bash on LEO's. Clearly there are good and bad ones.

AMAZING!:(

spectr17
08-07-2010, 11:53 PM
Anybody remember Sheriff Tidwell from San Bernardino? He stole thousands of confiscated guns, even gave them away a gifts to friends. When they finally figured it out he was retired and the DA said he was too old to prosecute. WTH? What a load of BS that was. I had several friends who lost guns to this thief who never got them back or compensated for them.

HUTCH 7.62
08-07-2010, 11:53 PM
Tempted to do what? Be a thief? Its not your gun or decision to make. if I took my guns in and asked for them to be destroyed thats my choice. It doesnt mean you can go in and help yourself just because you can.
The cop is a idiot. not only did he screw up his job he is possibly gonna go to jail now also.

tis why i'm not a cop. I also did not say I'd act on those temptations, And yes it's wrong to steal but for some the temptation becomes to strong. As for me I stay away from temptations like those.

BigDogatPlay
08-08-2010, 12:03 AM
with that said I am not surprised by the actions of a Long Beach officer. And I cannot say if in his position I would find it hard not to be tempted.

I dunno... I booked a lot of firearms as evidence or for safekeeping over the years. Nice ones, ugly ones, bling ones, plain ones, pistols, rifles, shotguns, even a couple of Class 3's.

And not once was I ever tempted to take one. Ever. Even though I've been collecting firearms all of my adult life.

They always paid me well enough to not steal.

audihenry
08-08-2010, 12:06 AM
I dunno... I booked a lot of firearms as evidence or for safekeeping over the years. Nice ones, ugly ones, bling ones, plain ones, pistols, rifles, shotguns, even a couple of Class 3's.

And not once was I ever tempted to take one. Ever. Even though I've been collecting firearms all of my adult life.

They always paid me well enough to not steal.

So if you made less than what you thought you deserved, you would?

Helps explain a lot of crime, especially coming from a cop.

RTE
08-08-2010, 12:17 AM
I bet they don't even have good enough records to find out what all he took.

We had one LEO in AZ that borrowed money from the evidence room and didn't return it......They finaly did an audit of the evidence room and found he checked it out 6 months ago for a case that went to trial......they asked him about it an he said it was at his house......They escorted him to his house and he could not come up with all the money :rolleyes:>>> your busted

There was also some money that went missing from the court house property room :rolleyes: Only a few emplyees with Keys and I never heard if they even found it.

There should be Mandatory audits every few months so things don't somehow come up missing.

pullnshoot25
08-08-2010, 4:09 AM
I dunno... I booked a lot of firearms as evidence or for safekeeping over the years. Nice ones, ugly ones, bling ones, plain ones, pistols, rifles, sh

So if you made less than what you thought you deserved, you would?

Helps explain a lot of crime, especially coming from a cop.

I love you, no bromo.

Rogerbutthead
08-08-2010, 7:16 AM
As I remember it -several times when I had "discussions" with local PD/Sheriffs regarding confiscated weapons, the magazines were always "missing" - but these were drug dealer weapons.

pieeater
08-08-2010, 7:38 AM
I dont understand the confiscated part. Sounds like someone found them and turned them in. How is that confiscated??

hkusp9c
08-08-2010, 8:07 AM
Let's not turn this into a bash on LEO's. Clearly there are good and bad ones.

yeah but I'm seeing way too many bad ones on the news these days.

geeknow
08-08-2010, 8:32 AM
glad they figured it out.

i hope that justice is served, and this case is tried upon its merits.

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iareConfusE
08-08-2010, 9:22 AM
Ha, that moron got what was coming. Karma is a *****, aint it?

tonelar
08-08-2010, 11:12 AM
years ago here in SF/ went shooting with friends and had to take off on a motorcycle. as it wasn't my bike and i had no way to transport my handgun back, i ended up leaving my hardballer at my friends' place.
long story short; the AMT ended up at SFPD somehow (parents got involved and f__ked the situation up). When I went to claim it, I got the run around for about 5 days. On the fifth day I show up to take my fave .45 home and am handed my pistol and 4 extra mags.
Great, but I swore I only had a couple magazines when I left it at my friends' house.
I think my pistol might have been joy ridden, haha

Wicked Pete
08-08-2010, 11:45 AM
No Self Discipline. What about the female at SFPD (and attempted DA cover-up) that was helping herself to the Cocaine? Temptation is everywhere; No Self Control!

rg_1111@yahoo.com
08-08-2010, 12:41 PM
Audits would weed out bad apples. And take temptation away.

greasemonkey
08-08-2010, 1:15 PM
Nuff said !!! Clearly how dumb can one get ... :mad:

felony dumb
How dumb? Looks like the ociffer in question went this dumb:


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BigDogatPlay
08-08-2010, 1:29 PM
So if you made less than what you thought you deserved, you would?

Helps explain a lot of crime, especially coming from a cop.

Nothing like trying to put words in someone's mouth to reach your pre-conceived notions of how things are.

I can not use the words on this board to describe how deeply loutish your statement is.

Ron-Solo
08-08-2010, 1:58 PM
LEO's are faced with temptation every day. Once you cross that line and become a thief, you are always a thief in my opinion. Just because you don't steal anymore, doesn't erase what you did in the past to break the trust. I can forgive people, but I don't have to trust them.

LE cleans up our own house more than the average person knows. We investigate and prosecute those who violate the law, even our own. The public often doesn't find out due to privacy laws, and we don't run to the media because we avoid trying any case in the press.

And BigDog, I agree with you 100%

Alaric
08-08-2010, 2:00 PM
I dont understand the confiscated part. Sounds like someone found them and turned them in. How is that confiscated??

The articles above used the word "confiscated".

I s'pose when "evidence" that doesn't belong to a police department is taken into their possession they consider the property "confiscated", for lack of a better term.

Eddie1965
08-08-2010, 8:12 PM
Temptation is everywhere, there is a big difference between those who cross the line and those who don't. There is tons of stuff lying around work and people try to bribe their way into our lot, whether you like your job or not, it's your job and it's paying the bills, it's just not worth it.

Cool Hand Luke
08-08-2010, 8:19 PM
When I was a kid my best friend informed me that none of his friends could go over to his house anymore because a footlocker full of handguns, his dad had confiscated as a police officer, had gone missing. He told me his dad had let him look inside the footlocker before and it was almost to the top with all kinds of pistols. Turns out the wayward first born son, who had been kicked out of the house, came in and stole them. It seemed perfectly normal for a police officer to keep the "bad guys" guns as a kid. Years later it had me wondering if that was legal at that time.

G17GUY
08-08-2010, 8:34 PM
When I was a kid my best friend informed me that none of his friends could go over to his house anymore because a footlocker full of handguns, his dad had confiscated as a police officer, had gone missing. He told me his dad had let him look inside the footlocker before and it was almost to the top with all kinds of pistols. Turns out the wayward first born son, who had been kicked out of the house, came in and stole them. It seemed perfectly normal for a police officer to keep the "bad guys" guns as a kid. Years later it had me wondering if that was legal at that time.

That's funny, because I had a friend as a kid who's father was a sheriff and had all kinds of crazy stuff in a safe that he liked to show off and story tell about.

Much of it, he was just "holding on to for the department" when asked about it. I never thought much of it as a kid. I thought it was cool and looked up to him.

J-cat
08-08-2010, 8:43 PM
Let's not turn this into a bash on LEO's. Clearly there are good and bad ones.

So what's the point of this thread?

frankm
08-08-2010, 8:44 PM
This guy is a real jerk! What did he plan to do with the guns?

Maybe made their way across the border?

greasemonkey
08-08-2010, 10:36 PM
So what's the point of this thread?

The point of this thread is that a criminal stealing firearms was caught. Coincidentally, he wore a badge.

Alaric
08-09-2010, 1:17 AM
So what's the point of this thread?

The point of this thread is that a criminal stealing firearms was caught. Coincidentally, he wore a badge.

^this^

Also, if you happen to have lost a gun to the LBPD at all in the recent past, this could help you get it back.

joedogboy
08-09-2010, 8:19 AM
When I was a kid my best friend informed me that none of his friends could go over to his house anymore because a footlocker full of handguns, his dad had confiscated as a police officer, had gone missing. He told me his dad had let him look inside the footlocker before and it was almost to the top with all kinds of pistols. Turns out the wayward first born son, who had been kicked out of the house, came in and stole them. It seemed perfectly normal for a police officer to keep the "bad guys" guns as a kid. Years later it had me wondering if that was legal at that time.

I don't know if "wayward" is a proper description of a son who follows his fathers example and behaves just like his dad.

Curtis
08-09-2010, 11:13 AM
My pops has a Howa Armalight AR-180 with the original box with 2 armalight 20 rnd mags. years ago after the 2nd AW reg he decided he wanted to turn his rifle into Palo Alto Police dept. but after the way the conduted themselves after seeing it he knew in his heart that it would not be destroyed and become some PAPD officers new addition to his collection.

with that said I am not surprised by the actions of a Long Beach officer. And I cannot say if in his position I would find it hard not to be tempted.

When the Riverside Sheriff's had my guns, I got a call from one of the detectives. He was going on and on about one of my rifles. It motivated him to help me with the process of getting the guns back (although he knew next to nothing about the process). I was very grateful for his call/help.

wrestlingnrj
08-09-2010, 1:17 PM
A little more info for you all, I work for the company that turned over the weapons. Basically we're a recycling company and someone brought in the firearms to have shredded, which we found to be very suspicious because of the nature and models the 'customer' had. We immediately called the police and there is video of the weapons being picked up by the LBPD officer, but the amount that made it to the dept didn't match up with what we gave him. From there the rest is in the news.

greasemonkey
08-09-2010, 1:44 PM
A little more info for you all, I work for the company that turned over the weapons. Basically we're a recycling company and someone brought in the firearms to have shredded, which we found to be very suspicious because of the nature and models the 'customer' had. We immediately called the police and there is video of the weapons being picked up by the LBPD officer, but the amount that made it to the dept didn't match up with what we gave him. From there the rest is in the news.

Thanks for getting on here to add some first hand info. It can be frustrating sometimes when there's only speculation or "information" from the news to go off of. Do you shoot much?

blacksheep
08-09-2010, 4:54 PM
No Self Discipline. What about the female at SFPD (and attempted DA cover-up) that was helping herself to the Cocaine? Temptation is everywhere; No Self Control!


No morals would be closer to the truth, some people are just scumbags.

stix213
08-09-2010, 5:44 PM
Let's not turn this into a bash on LEO's. Clearly there are good and bad ones.

What I got from this is the good LEO's didn't do a look the other way for the bad LEO, and instead did the right thing. +1 for the good guys