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bg
04-28-2006, 8:10 PM
Just wonderful..Here we go again.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/14451081.htm

California could become the first state in the nation to require semi-automatic handguns include microscopic equipment for pressing an identifying mark into every bullet fired.

Through newly developed technology, the firing pin of a semi-automatic weapon can stamp the gun's make and model onto a bullet shell as it leaves the chamber. The technology could help police investigate homicides and trace gun trafficking.

GW
04-28-2006, 8:18 PM
"Bullet shell"?:rolleyes:

Is that like a clam shell?
shellaq?
These new phrases confuse me...

blacklisted
04-28-2006, 8:18 PM
The lack of logic in this article astounds me...though it shoudn't.

Sam Paredes, director of the 30,000-member California Gun Owners Association, said proponents of the bill are engaging in "a lot of wishful thinking" if they believe mandating the technology will turn that around.

"All it takes is a few swipes (on the pin) with a sandpaper or nail file, and (the marker) is gone," he said.

He called the technology "laughable," saying trigger-happy criminals could outwit police investigators by picking up spent shells at a shooting range and sprinkling them at a crime scene.

That drew a big laugh from Todd Lizotte, who developed the technology for use in laser printers while he was vice president of NanoVia, a semiconductor and microelectronic equipment manufacturer bought by Hitachi in 2003.

There's nothing stopping perpetrators of gun violence from doing that now, he said.

"The truth is, nobody ever does that," he said. "When people talk about these issues, they tend to raise the common criminal up to the level of criminal mastermind and the police down to the level of (cartoon character) Wile E. Coyote."

The pin is nearly as hard as a diamond, he said. In addition, the markers on the pin are invisible to the naked eye.

EBWhite
04-28-2006, 8:36 PM
Great- Hopefully it won't pass.

If it does maybe someone will need to get some of those diamond files

Darn, and for a second i thought this law was fool proof!

Dont Tread on Me
04-28-2006, 8:45 PM
You can track this and other bad bills at the address below. The anti lead bill is really bad - no outdoor shooting where the CA condor flys or most of the state.

http://www.calnra.com/

There are some _good_ bills on the cards too. One is trying to repeal the assult weapon ban.

>Hopefully it won't pass.

It is up to us to let our representatives know what we think of this c*ap. We are not powerless!

Charliegone
04-28-2006, 9:27 PM
Gosh, Koretz is such a *****.:mad:

shopkeep
04-28-2006, 10:04 PM
Gosh, Koretz is such a *****.:mad:

Watch out because Koretz is a rising star in the gun control world and thus far has successfully passed some pretty devestating bills like the chamber loaded indicator/disconnect. Guys like Koretz make me THANKFUL for term limits. At least there's a limit to the amount of damage they can do before they're out and the next nutjob is in. I do have to admit that Koretz really has it in for semi-auto handguns though.

If this bill passes though, it will result in a complete handgun ban. Nobody is going to bother fooling around with this crazy firing pin scheme, they'll just stop selling handguns and parts for them in the state.

Although if Baca and others shut down the lead ammo ban, we probably have a fairly good chance at shutting this garbage down too.

Also, is it just me, but is the new focus on semi-auto handguns and complete avoidance of the failed AW Ban a smoke screen tactic?

RRangel
04-28-2006, 10:33 PM
I don't think that the bill has been officially brought up again although it can return this year. It seems that these gun banners are attempting to get support in order to do just that.

chris
04-28-2006, 10:49 PM
guys call and write these people when the word is put out this bill comes up for reconsideration. don't waste anytime we did it before and we can do it again. :)

oh yeah Koretz is an *****Bag:D

bwiese
04-28-2006, 11:01 PM
Watch out even more for SB357 to rear its head - the marked ammo bill.

That's the worst one ever.

shopkeep
04-29-2006, 1:12 AM
Watch out even more for SB357 to rear its head - the marked ammo bill.

That's the worst one ever.

I swear man, Koretz terrifies me. It's sad when a politician has to resort to stomping rights to achieve his power trip. Maybe I'm right or maybe I'm wrong but Koretz was probably a ruthless 3rd world dictator in a previous life.

And oh yeah, I am still laughing at Koretz writting his essay on how businesses are not leaving California and are dying to do business here. Koretz needs to leave his million dollar hollywood hills estate and come visit my business for an insurance quote someday if he really believes this.

fal_762x51
04-29-2006, 1:28 AM
The sad thing is that they'll probably want to ban brass catchers next.:rolleyes:

Dont Tread on Me
04-29-2006, 8:36 AM
The sad thing is that they'll probably want to ban brass catchers next.:rolleyes:

Did you see Dallas SWAT this week? A bad guy had a plastic shopping bag tapped over the ejection port on his shotgun. An officer commented that this was to SOP for crooks.

bg
04-29-2006, 11:21 AM
Watch out because Koretz is a rising star in the gun control world and thus far has successfully passed some pretty devestating bills like the chamber loaded indicator/disconnect. Guys like Koretz make me THANKFUL for term limits. At least there's a limit to the amount of damage they can do before they're out and the next nutjob is in. I do have to admit that Koretz really has it in for semi-auto handguns though.

If this bill passes though, it will result in a complete handgun ban. Nobody is going to bother fooling around with this crazy firing pin scheme, they'll just stop selling handguns and parts for them in the state.

Although if Baca and others shut down the lead ammo ban, we probably have a fairly good chance at shutting this garbage down too.

Also, is it just me, but is the new focus on semi-auto handguns and complete avoidance of the failed AW Ban a smoke screen tactic?
Beware of what you wish for. He could and most
likely will run for Senator of his district once he's
through at the Assembly. This is the same guy
who sponsors the fire-safe cigs bill as well.

shopkeep
04-29-2006, 5:07 PM
Beware of what you wish for. He could and most
likely will run for Senator of his district once he's
through at the Assembly. This is the same guy
who sponsors the fire-safe cigs bill as well.

I'm already expecting Koretz to be elected Senator of his district. Unless the lines are redrawn before he terms out, he is assured to be elected Senator. However, we can then at least be thankful that the federal government will not take his crazy ideas so seriously if he shows up in Washington after that.

I'd watch out though, because this guy is a rising star in the socialist world and he appears to have broad respect and support amoung the Democrats.

icormba
04-29-2006, 5:31 PM
"Outfitting new guns will cost the manufacturers 25 cents to 50 cents per firearm, Lizotte said. More than 70 percent of new handguns sold in California are semi-automatic."

Just $.25 - $.50 per firearm? how's that? This marking equipment is free or something? Maybe if a manufacture marked ALL their firing pins sold in handguns they sell across the USA & the World! Even sending out a bunch of firing pins to get marked will cost more than that in logistics alone.

Add a couple decimal points to that! I can see it now... handguns in California have a additional $25.oo-$50.oo markup over the current markup from the rest of the country due to the mandated California law... (Manufactures)"We are forced to charge Californian's this extra charge."

shopkeep
04-29-2006, 6:12 PM
Firing pins don't last forever either... what are we supposed to do if our firing pin wears down too much or breaks? What is going to stop people from just buying firing pins over the counter in neighboring states and the internet? You simply cannot ignore the gun laws in the rest of the country and assume you live in a bubble!

bg
04-29-2006, 7:31 PM
Firing pins don't last forever either... what are we supposed to do if our firing pin wears down too much or breaks? What is going to stop people from just buying firing pins over the counter in neighboring states and the internet? You simply cannot ignore the gun laws in the rest of the country and assume you live in a bubble!
What's more, what's to keep a bad guy from buying a
"hot" firing pin, do the crime with this pin, then switch
back to the orig pin ? I agree a lot of crooks are dumb,
but there are also a heck of lot of smart ones too.

What better way to set someone up than with someone
else's pin ?

linuxgunner
04-29-2006, 7:46 PM
Watch out even more for SB357 to rear its head - the marked ammo bill.

That's the worst one ever.

Bill you are right on that one. That is the most dangerous, because for someone who doesn't understand how ammo production and distribution works, it sound reasonable. And yet it is not reasonable, and would pretty much end shooting sports or training in California (both rifle and pistol). Every FFL in this state should be working to make sure that bill doesn't get anywhere, because it would put 90% of them out of business.

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http://CaliforniaCCW.org

jdberger
04-29-2006, 8:01 PM
Of course, police guns will be exempt......and probably high end target guns.....


Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturers took Ronnie Barrett's stance and just refused to sell or service government weapons.

radioactivelego
04-29-2006, 9:34 PM
I'm waiting for the irony article to follow:

"Koretz murdered by mysterious Civil War reenactor"

chris
04-29-2006, 9:46 PM
if the gun manufacturers take Barrets stand on not selling to any and i mean anny government official that would be a great idea. it should only be done to california. since the politicians are sticking it to the lawfull citizen the manufacturers should stick it to them. also cut all support to them too.

m2hbvic
04-29-2006, 10:35 PM
After seeing the Klutz on TV reading his bill on banning .50 BMG rifles a couple of years ago, it was very easy to see that this idiot knows absolutely nothing about firearms/ammunition! He's obviously just a speakerphone for someone else higher up in his district/state who's paying him $$$.

Someone needs to microstamp Koretz right in his rear!!!
Vic

chris
04-29-2006, 10:43 PM
it should say "I'm an idiot I know nothing about firearms except what the Brady Bunch tells me."