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Mason McDuffie
08-03-2010, 5:03 PM
Hey fellow CG'ers. I was thinking about picking up some airsoft type equipment to use for simulations and CQB style drills. I'm not looking for competition grad crazy, but some stuff that mimics the regular weight and feel. Anybody out there already beat me to the idea and if so what direction can you point me in gear wise. Appreciate any help I can get. Thanks CG'ers.

Spyder
08-03-2010, 6:51 PM
Lots of people will give you crap for it but its a helluva good training tool. I don't know much about 'em myself but have used them a few times.

Mason McDuffie
08-03-2010, 6:55 PM
I was at a training where there were a few floating around. Never got my hands on one but seemed like it could be very useful. Sim rounds are to damn pricey haha. If anyone has info that would be great.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
08-03-2010, 8:08 PM
Try Airsoft Extreme (http://www.airsoftextreme.com/content/). They have stores in Santa Clara and Sacramento, you can get your hands on some examples. I got into airsoft at one point looking for a less expensive way to provide force-on-force training for LEOs. I still keep a couple of gas blowback pistols to practice in my garage with.

gotthelife4u
08-03-2010, 9:17 PM
Hey fellow CG'ers. I was thinking about picking up some airsoft type equipment to use for simulations and CQB style drills. I'm not looking for competition grad crazy, but some stuff that mimics the regular weight and feel. Anybody out there already beat me to the idea and if so what direction can you point me in gear wise. Appreciate any help I can get. Thanks CG'ers.

I have a glock 19 and a 1911 for sale. let me know if you are interested.

Spiggy
08-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Support Americans, try KWA products. :D I gotta eat too!

Our stuff is in use by groups all across America (in both professional handling, training, and in recreational airsoft).

See Guns&Ammo: Tactics, we have an honorable mention under the Gunsite article.

stitchnicklas
08-03-2010, 11:39 PM
http://airsoftgi.com/

a friend of my wifes works there and shows me cool stuff all the time,

gotthelife4u
08-04-2010, 8:04 AM
http://airsoftgi.com/

a friend of my wifes works there and shows me cool stuff all the time,

I have shopped with them before. Very good company I highly recommend them if you are shopping online.

Ballistic043
08-04-2010, 8:21 AM
steel hawk airsoft in orange has a good selection of quality stuff.

classic army, KWA, some systema, rifles, pistols, mall ninja helmets and stuff.
they also do gunsmithing upgrades and repair. i purchased my KWA SR12 from them because its an american-based company (in pomona, i believe) good quality stuff that looks and feels as real as the AR15s in my safe.

the problem with airsoft is finding the right group of guys who are in it for the same goal you are. training and sim.

you will either find a good dedicated group of mil/LEO guys you can drill in a shoothouse with, or you will have a group of teenagers who were just bored and got airsoft guns. they shoot crappy gear, use hollywood tactics, and would never call themselves out if they were hit.

airsoft is much like anything else a person could enjoy. the more time you put into learning about it, getting the right gear, and playing with the right people, the better your outcome will be. there are huge airsoft events all around the world. some take place in mockup-towns or in large fields with hundreds of people. do your research, find a good skirmish area near you.

finding the right people to play with is harder than finding good gear.

Spiggy
08-04-2010, 11:40 AM
steel hawk airsoft in orange has a good selection of quality stuff.

classic army, KWA, some systema, rifles, pistols, mall ninja helmets and stuff.
they also do gunsmithing upgrades and repair. i purchased my KWA SR12 from them because its an american-based company (in pomona, i believe) good quality stuff that looks and feels as real as the AR15s in my safe.

the problem with airsoft is finding the right group of guys who are in it for the same goal you are. training and sim.

you will either find a good dedicated group of mil/LEO guys you can drill in a shoothouse with, or you will have a group of teenagers who were just bored and got airsoft guns. they shoot crappy gear, use hollywood tactics, and would never call themselves out if they were hit.

airsoft is much like anything else a person could enjoy. the more time you put into learning about it, getting the right gear, and playing with the right people, the better your outcome will be. there are huge airsoft events all around the world. some take place in mockup-towns or in large fields with hundreds of people. do your research, find a good skirmish area near you.

finding the right people to play with is harder than finding good gear.
:D City of Industry, it's laser engraved to your RAS rail.

Reductio
08-04-2010, 11:47 AM
http://airsoftgi.com/

a friend of my wifes works there and shows me cool stuff all the time,

Fast, free shipping over 100, best online airsoft company out there. The guys are really nice to work with too, been in a few times to their shop out here.

Check out their youtube channel too. :D

Ballistic043
08-04-2010, 6:15 PM
:D City of Industry, it's laser engraved to your RAS rail.

yep your right. just cant see it well with the rail covers i have on

Spiggy
08-04-2010, 6:18 PM
What's your loadout? I had a magpul catelog vomit on my SR12 and KM4-SR7 LE

cpl_dan
08-04-2010, 6:26 PM
i got an mp5 trainer upgraded with extra stuff if your interested

Ballistic043
08-04-2010, 6:28 PM
LOL. i kept it pretty simple. its such a good gun out of the box. plus, i really was dis-enchanted with all the crap i had to do just to put a MIAD on there.


i just put the basics, an eotech, some KAC rail covers, harris bipod w/YHM adaptor, and a UTG vertical grip.

here's the simple loadout, without sling or bipod. my stag AR15 is in the lower left

(caution, ridiculously large picture)


http://shadow.slipgate.org:/Firearms/KWASR12/DSC05346.JPG

its interesting how the rail marks are printed in odd numbers instead of even. (T13, T15, T17, etc)

Spiggy
08-04-2010, 6:36 PM
it's a printing mess up

I've been pushing to have it re-done

My prototyper, with a shotgun bolted in. (don't take it seriously, it was a shoots&giggles project)
I have a new barrel assembly for the shotgun, but this is an old picture
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/km4master.jpg

stitchnicklas
08-04-2010, 7:40 PM
if you go to airsoft gi ask for james klein ,he knows his airsoft..

Clodbuster
08-04-2010, 10:58 PM
A WE M4 is about as close to real steel as you can get with an airsoft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPFOIz3bHDY&feature=related

Ballistic043
08-04-2010, 11:13 PM
ah yes the gas powered GBB. i remember when they first came out.

doesn't systema make GBB rifles though too?




that KAC masterkey on the m4 looks pretty intimidating. i'd hate to be the pimply faced teen staring down the barrel of such a thing.

Mstrty
08-04-2010, 11:26 PM
I have sig226 HK45 and 1911 gas blowback running on propane. It is the closest thing you can get to the real thing. Weight is almost dead on. recoil is softer. The heavier triggers is good practice. I use Bamsoft (http://www.bamairsoft.com/) targets in the backyard in the city. Great trigger time practice. Neighbors love coming over to my house and playing in my backyard. Check with you local police. Some city's have ordinances. My City ordinances for airsoft are
May not remove or camouflage the orange tip and may not brandish in a threatening manner.

Get one and start practicing, It will improve you real gunfighting skills cause you can practice more often. I spend about $30 per 5000 rounds for propane and BB's

toadman
08-09-2010, 10:53 AM
My nephew just showed me a full metal Beretta FS that he picked up. The thing looks & feels like my own real gun. When he showed me that the slide blows back when fired I got hooked.
So my question is what should I get? He says his goes 390fps with green gas. What is Green gas?

Spiggy
08-09-2010, 11:53 AM
"Green Gas" is a colloquial term for the basic propellant used in gas pistols this side of the world. Any good airsoft store will carry it. Avoid using the propane adapter when you get a gas gun. Stores will push you to buy it, don't.

If you have any questions about airsoft, feel free to PM me about it. I'm not a customer service guy, but I have more experience on the subject than all the CS guys combined.

uscbigdawg
08-09-2010, 1:39 PM
For ALL of your Airsoft needs, contact Phil at BAM Airsoft (http://www.bamairsoft.com/) and tell him Rich White sent you.

Rich