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Black Dragon
07-31-2010, 11:53 AM
The video for the Lafayette Open Carry Debate hosted by the Commonwealth Club of California is finally up! Responsible Citizens of California (RCC) President, Adnan Shahab, and RCC Press Secretary, Yih-Chau Chang, take on Assemblwoman Lori Saldana and the Brady Campaign's Karen Arntzen. Watch the sparks fly as we debate this hotly contested issue!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTIoVN8Gm6c&feature=channel

Stonewalker
07-31-2010, 12:41 PM
My guts turn over when I hear her speak. She truly hates liberty. She wants police to have power to overstep the constitution. Plain and simple. Her bill will water down/hurt the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments. Probably more, I'm no constitutional scholar.

gnatnoop
07-31-2010, 1:14 PM
My guts turn over when I hear her speak. She truly hates liberty. She wants police to have power to overstep the constitution. Plain and simple. Her bill will water down/hurt the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments. Probably more, I'm no constitutional scholar.

this, I wanted to watch all of them before I commented, however I cant seem to find number 4?

edit- and no number 7?

Paul E
07-31-2010, 2:16 PM
Its going to be a great day when her bill is found unconstitutional and the right people prevail.

gnatnoop
07-31-2010, 2:43 PM
I really think these women need to be put in a situation that threatens there life to understand the importance of firearms for self defense.. there close mindedness really sickens me, especially with there ability to spread it around as easily as they can

morfeeis
07-31-2010, 3:13 PM
Its going to be a great day when her bill is found unconstitutional and the right people prevail.
i just wish she hadn't opened her fat mouth and put the bill out there in the first place.....

WeekendWarrior
07-31-2010, 10:28 PM
The Brady Bunch loves spreading lies based on non scientific and biased studies. The two women made terrible arguments.

Black Dragon
07-31-2010, 11:14 PM
this, I wanted to watch all of them before I commented, however I cant seem to find number 4?

edit- and no number 7?

Here are links to all eight parts of the video:

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTIoVN8Gm6c
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nDWbcd9kbg
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj4k9lRFMeM
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke59hXYxOgI
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZxJZFTbCE
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCxSIvC8DTE
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5l03i6b-jg
Part 8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlgh6mI3HM


Here is the factual documentation for all of the evidence I presented during the debate:

http://www.responsiblecitizensofcalifornia.org/profiles/blogs/documentation-for-all-factual

BoxesOfLiberty
08-01-2010, 1:13 PM
If you listen to people they will tell you about themselves.

Saldana really summed up her elitist position and the position of most nanny statists at the beginning of part 8 when she said:

"We tell children if you see a gun report it to the nearest adult and when we see people carrying guns in public i think ... the responsible thing to do is report that to a responsible adult -- to law enforcement."

-- Overlord Lori Saldana

We liberty-minded folks sometimes have a hard time understanding this mentality because we tend to have more confidence in our fellow citizens, and believe that no self-serving bureaucracy is ever better qualified to make decisions for them than they are to make them for themselves.

But this is really where most of the antis are coming from. Their core belief is that ordinary people cannot be trusted to make good decisions for themselves and that therefore "responsible adults" (meaning the state) must make decisions for them.

I know of only two kinds of people who think this way:

The first group are those who don't trust themselves because to make their own decisions (because they know they aren't trustworthy), and therefore assume others aren't to be trusted either.

The more contemptible group are arrogant elitists who think that by virtue of their own enlightened and superior minds that we peasants should happily bend to their wills and accept their better judgement.

Either way Saldana and her ilk aren't to be trusted.

dieselpower
08-01-2010, 6:32 PM
I got to the brady rep and turned it off. I can't listen to that crap.
56% of American didnt feel safe with guns in public...

Well 56% of America wanted Blacks to ride in the back of the bus.

these people don't get it.

safewaysecurity
08-01-2010, 7:17 PM
If you listen to people they will tell you about themselves.

Saldana really summed up her elitist position and the position of most nanny statists at the beginning of part 8 when she said:



We liberty-minded folks sometimes have a hard time understanding this mentality because we tend to have more confidence in our fellow citizens, and believe that no self-serving bureaucracy is ever better qualified to make decisions for them than they are to make them for themselves.

But this is really where most of the antis are coming from. Their core belief is that ordinary people cannot be trusted to make good decisions for themselves and that therefore "responsible adults" (meaning the state) must make decisions for them.

I know of only two kinds of people who think this way:

The first group are those who don't trust themselves because to make their own decisions (because they know they aren't trustworthy), and therefore assume others aren't to be trusted either.

The more contemptible group are arrogant elitists who think that by virtue of their own enlightened and superior minds that we peasants should happily bend to their wills and accept their better judgement.

Either way Saldana and her ilk aren't to be trusted.

Agreed 100%

Wherryj
08-02-2010, 9:02 AM
If you listen to people they will tell you about themselves.

Saldana really summed up her elitist position and the position of most nanny statists at the beginning of part 8 when she said:



We liberty-minded folks sometimes have a hard time understanding this mentality because we tend to have more confidence in our fellow citizens, and believe that no self-serving bureaucracy is ever better qualified to make decisions for them than they are to make them for themselves.

But this is really where most of the antis are coming from. Their core belief is that ordinary people cannot be trusted to make good decisions for themselves and that therefore "responsible adults" (meaning the state) must make decisions for them.

I know of only two kinds of people who think this way:

The first group are those who don't trust themselves because to make their own decisions (because they know they aren't trustworthy), and therefore assume others aren't to be trusted either.

The more contemptible group are arrogant elitists who think that by virtue of their own enlightened and superior minds that we peasants should happily bend to their wills and accept their better judgement.

Either way Saldana and her ilk aren't to be trusted.

I like the reasoning that came from that. BECAUSE SHE felt that the "reasonable" thing to do was to report everyone legally open-carrying to an officer, it THEN became a burden upon the police THEREFORE it should be banned.

I would like to introduce a bill. ALL people driving with license tags that MIGHT be expired should be reported to a LEO. That will become a burden upon the LEOs, thus license plates should be banned.

Donny1
08-02-2010, 11:20 AM
The Brady Bunch loves spreading lies based on non scientific and biased studies. The two women made terrible arguments.

Exactly!

Their arguments were based on fear, emotion, biased statistics, and oh wait, male dominance and the intimidation factor. The more they publicly speak about their cause the better it is for our rights being restored. Among the audience they were even the minority opinion.

They looked ridiculous.