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YubaRiver
07-31-2010, 6:46 AM
Since their are many rules on the "safety" of firearms, why aren't sound
suppressors encouraged by the powers that be.

Cars have to have working mufflers.

Bobula
07-31-2010, 6:52 AM
Some LEO agencies have them on AR's for just that reason

Sunwolf
07-31-2010, 6:53 AM
It`s not about safety,it`s about control.

MrPlutonium
07-31-2010, 6:56 AM
Absolutely. I always thought it was the neighborly thing to do.

Freebird
07-31-2010, 7:04 AM
Didn't you know? Owning a supressor instantly turns you into an assassin. Can't have too many of those floating around.

Remus
07-31-2010, 8:07 AM
I believe that suppressors are encouraged in the socialist state of Finland. We just have a different breed of socialists here in CA.

yellowfin
07-31-2010, 8:09 AM
Safety and noise pollution control. My guess the reason for them not being supported is that the antis don't want too many new people enjoying shooting b/c of noise and blast reduction, as that's usually the biggest hang up for those who are intimidated.

7x57
07-31-2010, 8:18 AM
Why? Because the NFA was designed to go after whatever low-hanging fruit could be reached, whatever could be demonized, regardless of utility. Once done, the rationale had to be canonized and promoted ex cathedra. Basically, the things that happened to be politically achievable became doctrinal planks in an anti-gun catechism.

So you can't have suppressors in CA, and must pay a tax on them elsewhere, because the Nicene Creed of the state religion says they are Original Sin, and the Ecumenical Council that was the congress that passed it was Infallible and their creed Beyond Question.

Aren't you glad that handguns got dropped from the NFA? :chris:

7x57

yellowfin
07-31-2010, 8:51 AM
Why? Because the NFA was designed to go after whatever low-hanging fruit could be reached, whatever could be demonized, regardless of utility. Once done, the rationale had to be canonized and promoted ex cathedra. Basically, the things that happened to be politically achievable became doctrinal planks in an anti-gun catechism.

So you can't have suppressors in CA, and must pay a tax on them elsewhere, because the Nicene Creed of the state religion says they are Original Sin, and the Ecumenical Council that was the congress that passed it was Infallible and their creed Beyond Question.And just like dogma, it's been held up largely because it's things people don't usually see. Remove the cloak of mystery and the spooky kooky nonsense largely evaporates.

CSACANNONEER
07-31-2010, 8:54 AM
Hollywood has demonized them so, they are considered "evil" in the states. However, from what I understand, there are countries in Europe which REQUIRE hunters to use surpressors.

Turbinator
07-31-2010, 9:33 AM
Didn't you know? Owning a supressor instantly turns you into an assassin. Can't have too many of those floating around.

But we need *some* assasins it seems, so we might as well start taking applications. Any volunteers?

Turby

OleCuss
07-31-2010, 11:16 AM
I'm not entirely sure the point of the OP, but is it possible that in the future silencers could be litigated? It really would be nice if shooting could be quieter.

yellowfin
07-31-2010, 11:23 AM
They're VERY useful for home defense in removing the hearing destruction from shooting indoors.

adrenaline
07-31-2010, 11:28 AM
They're VERY useful for home defense in removing the hearing destruction from shooting indoors.Besides, who wants to wake the neighbors when you are just fine taking care of your home invaders yourself. :D

stix213
07-31-2010, 11:19 PM
movies/TV have brainwashed the public into thinking if you put a suppressor on a gun you can shoot someone without anyone in the next room even hearing a thing, when all they really do is make a gun that is as loud as a jet engine become as quiet as a straight piped 5.0 mustang. Yeah quieter, but you aren't even close to the murder in silence aspect that is behind the fear of suppressors.

Until that irrational fear is changed, I don't see the laws changing

adrenalinemedic
07-31-2010, 11:34 PM
I know guys in PD's who have gotten supressors authorized by taking the OSHA/noise safety/long term damage route. Once their admin heard "increased disability pension due to cumulative hearing loss" they couldn't buy them fast enough.

Is there some way we can leverage that into a legal challenge?

Connor P Price
08-01-2010, 4:00 AM
As long as people believe everything they see in movies and television it will be very difficult to reverse the misconceptions about sound suppressors.

yellowfin
08-01-2010, 4:17 AM
Do people believe in talking cats, dogs, and toys? They see that in movies and TV too.

yellowfin
08-01-2010, 4:17 AM
Do these same people believe in talking cats, dogs, and toys? They see that in movies and TV too.

Ford8N
08-01-2010, 5:41 AM
Do these same people believe in talking cats, dogs, and toys? They see that in movies and TV too.

As long as people believe everything they see in movies and television it will be very difficult to reverse the misconceptions about sound suppressors.

The vast majority of people are stupid when it come to ANYTHING gun related. They believe whatever the Ruler's "experts" tell them. In this state that is ALWAYS a minion and disciple of the Brady's. :mad:

N6ATF
08-01-2010, 9:22 AM
Safety and noise pollution control. My guess the reason for them not being supported is that the antis don't want too many new people enjoying shooting b/c of noise and blast reduction, as that's usually the biggest hang up for those who are intimidated.

I thought it was because they hate law-abiding citizens so much they want us all to go deaf quicker if we have to shoot in self-defense. Oh, and so all the NIMBYs can use the "gunshots are loud" BS to ban discharge EVERYWHERE, with no exception for self-defense shoots or carry.

After all, criminals get all the silencers so they aren't easily identified by putting on ear protection prior to shooting. If they haven't already gone deaf from their vehicle PA systems. :p

thayne
08-01-2010, 3:41 PM
The vast majority of people are stupid when it come to ANYTHING gun related. They believe whatever the Ruler's "experts" tell them. In this state that is ALWAYS a minion and disciple of the Brady's. :mad:

A lot of non-gunnies I know think you have to get a permit to buy a gun. Any gun! They dont realize its a right. They think of it like a privilege granted by the state.

cmaynes
08-01-2010, 4:04 PM
Suppressor were originally put on the NFA due to poaching of wildlife, something that could become a problem again depending on the economy. And a suppressed gun isnt that loud, though the caliber is important. A Suppressed Barrett is still loud, and a suppressed 10-22 is very, very quiet. And KAC SOCOM suppressors twang with each shot sometimes too.

thayne
08-01-2010, 4:55 PM
Suppressor were originally put on the NFA due to poaching of wildlife, something that could become a problem again depending on the economy. And a suppressed gun isnt that loud, though the caliber is important. A Suppressed Barrett is still loud, and a suppressed 10-22 is very, very quiet. And KAC SOCOM suppressors twang with each shot sometimes too.

It depends on the ammo too. Subsonic .22 is going to be pretty quiet, but super sonic ammo will still have the sound barrier crack.,

jamesob
08-01-2010, 4:59 PM
if someone is shooting at you that has a suppresor on, will not know where it's coming from. if they do not have one on you will exactly know where the shooter is, safety issue.:rolleyes:

Shotgun Man
08-01-2010, 5:30 PM
They're VERY useful for home defense in removing the hearing destruction from shooting indoors.

That's a very good point, and one that strikes me a good lawsuit.

We have to go deaf in order to protect ourselves in our homes? Nowhere is the report of firearm so loud as in a home.

MasterYong
08-01-2010, 6:37 PM
The vast majority of people are stupid when it come to ANYTHING gun related. They believe whatever the Ruler's "experts" tell them. In this state that is ALWAYS a minion and disciple of the Brady's. :mad:

I wouldn't say vast majority- OR stupid- but many are ignorant due to non-exposure.

For example, before I started shooting, I never noticed while watching movies when a slide would lock back and the character would keep shooting the second the camera angle changed. I also never noticed that in some movies, the slides don't even cycle (the flash is added in later). I didn't notice because I didn't know any better. Now it drives me NUTS when I see incontinuity like that.

Silencers are the same for most folks. I saw a movie a while back (don't recall which one) where a sniper was shooting a .50 cal with a silencer- and the sound it made, if real at all, was probably a recording of a suppressed ruger mark II...

6172crew
08-01-2010, 6:55 PM
Id like to bring my cans to CA.:(

I have a TAC16, 65 and a AWC MK9. The .22lr can is pretty quiet, like a paint ball gun or a BB gun.

If you want to keep noise down try the cat sneeze rounds that the russians were playing with.

If CGF needs a plaintiff for bringing my legally owned suppressor into CA I'm the man. I dont think I will ever see my machine guns here but Id like to have my Ps90 SBR and the cans.

2Cute2Shoot
08-01-2010, 9:10 PM
if someone is shooting at you that has a suppresor on, will not know where it's coming from. if they do not have one on you will exactly know where the shooter is, safety issue.:rolleyes:

I don't think this is true. :( I shot a Remington .308 rifle with a suppressor and it was totally loud! A lot louder than my .22 Marlin! I thought I would be able to not use my ear muffs...but no way!

safewaysecurity
08-01-2010, 9:14 PM
Didn't you know? Owning a supressor instantly turns you into an assassin. Can't have too many of those floating around.

No.. owning a handgun in Chicago turns you into an assassin. Owning any gun in Britain turns you into an assassin. Owning anything in the Peoples Republic of California turns you into an assassin.

safewaysecurity
08-01-2010, 9:15 PM
I don't think this is true. :( I shot a Remington .308 rifle with a suppressor and it was totally loud! A lot louder than my .22 Marlin! I thought I would be able to not use my ear muffs...but no way!

Shooting a 5.56 with a suppressor makes it sound a bit quieter than a .22 rimfire

dantodd
08-01-2010, 10:48 PM
I don't think this is true. :( I shot a Remington .308 rifle with a suppressor and it was totally loud! A lot louder than my .22 Marlin! I thought I would be able to not use my ear muffs...but no way!

the little :rolleyes: emoticon is usually a symbol of sarcasm. Which is to say that I don't believe he was serious and was only repeating how silly such things are portrayed on TV and at the movies.

vandal
08-01-2010, 10:50 PM
They make the gun longer and less concealable, sounds like they should be mandatory!

technique
08-01-2010, 10:56 PM
Since their are many rules on the "safety" of firearms, why aren't sound
suppressors encouraged by the powers that be.

Cars have to have working mufflers.

The NFA process, though unnecessary, is actually (in most states) pretty painless aside from the $200.

I'm not sure what you mean by encouraged. Do you mean by major RKBA activists or by the .gov?

2Cute2Shoot
08-01-2010, 11:17 PM
the little :rolleyes: emoticon is usually a symbol of sarcasm. Which is to say that I don't believe he was serious and was only repeating how silly such things are portrayed on TV and at the movies.

Oh, oops! I loove the emoticons but I have to say I don't understand what they all mean! For example, what is this one supposed to feel? :kiss:

And sometimes I think I have felt like this emoticon, but I'm not sure: :shaun:

And is this one sexual or does he just like something? :drool5: I have wanted to use it but I don't want people to think I am horny for an AR! LOL I have too much time on my hands!

nicki
08-02-2010, 1:40 AM
Since the public is stupid, perhaps we could make a distiction bewteen silencers and suppressors.

We could use a db standard, as long as the gun is above say 90 decibels when shot, it is a suppressor and legal to own.

If it quites a gun down below 90 db, it is a silencer.

The 90 db is just a random number btw. Point is we probably could get the public to accept some sound supression, after all, we don't need to silence the gun to protect our hearing.


Nicki

technique
08-02-2010, 2:39 AM
Niki,

FYI and you may already know this, a Silencer is the legal term used by the ATF. It isn't called by any other name. Most people don't know that and they have been misinformed and believe "Silencer" is a term coined by Hollywood. The first "sound suppressor" was called a "silencer" by the inventor, Hiram Maxim.
However I feel you. My favorite Silencer is my mini can. It only reduces -15db...it's still loud, but wickedly awesome.

You're very hard pressed to "silence" most guns, brother...bullet flight noise doesn't go away even with subsonic ammunition and a bolt gun.

HondaMasterTech
08-02-2010, 8:36 AM
Making a gun quieter is not only safe for the shooter but respectful to everyone else nearby. I do not think you should have to do anything special to own one besides pay the purchase price.