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HunterJim
07-30-2010, 3:49 PM
I tried the search function, with no joy.

What is the current California restriction on the carry of fixed blade knives? (I know about dirks and daggers). The various national knife rights boards say it is OK, but they are often wrong about California...thanks...jim

Kodemonkey
07-30-2010, 4:00 PM
This looked helpful.

http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html

wash
07-30-2010, 4:07 PM
It is my understanding that in California, concealing any fixed blade knife is a crime.

A friend of mine gets around that by carrying a small pikal knife in a cross-draw sheath on his belt. It's small enough to blend in but with proper pikal technique it is an effective self defense tool.

I generally carry a folder.

HunterJim
07-30-2010, 4:38 PM
Kodemonkey,

Thanks, and Jim March's article covers what I asked.

wash,

I know a gent who carries openly on his waist in a horizontal sheath.

jim

Decoligny
07-30-2010, 9:44 PM
Be aware that while concealing a fixed blade knife is illegal, carrying any knife over a certain size openly may be illegal depending upon the county and city ordinances.

In LA County you cannot carry any exposed knife with a blade 3" or longer. LA City has the same ordinance.

Munk
07-31-2010, 2:04 AM
In some places it's even shorter than 3", I seem to recall some places requiring 2.75.

I think that knives should be covered under 2a, since a knife has long been used as a military arm, has sporting applications, has self defense applications etc...

I would like to see someone's CCW that lists a handgun and a fixed blade knife as their carry weapons.

safewaysecurity
07-31-2010, 2:07 AM
I heard you can concealed carry a folding knife in cali. I know I do XD

Turo
07-31-2010, 3:15 AM
This looked helpful.

http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html

Yeah, Jim's write up is always a good starting point.

Basically, barring local ordnances, you can concealed carry any folding knife of any length. (that's not including illegal folding knives like balisongs and >2" switchblades) Fixed blade knives of any length are legal to carry openly only. Also, to clear up another bit of FUD that likes to pop it's ugly head up is that a fixed blade knife may be double edged. There is nothing in the PC that says anything about double edged blades.

Kynoch
07-31-2010, 5:22 AM
Yeah, Jim's write up is always a good starting point.

Basically, barring local ordnances, you can concealed carry any folding knife of any length. (that's not including illegal folding knives like balisongs and >2" switchblades) Fixed blade knives of any length are legal to carry openly only. Also, to clear up another bit of FUD that likes to pop it's ugly head up is that a fixed blade knife may be double edged. There is nothing in the PC that says anything about double edged blades.

How does a dirk/dagger differ from a knife?

Wulf
07-31-2010, 9:40 AM
Over all the Ca. knife laws are reasonably passable. The any length folder is cool...it would just be nice if there were more mega folders out there. It would be nice if there was a minimum length on the concealing of fixed blades just so you could wear a neck knife. I once tried to talk Emerson into make a folding version of the LaGriffe, but he said he had other priorities.

mrboma
07-31-2010, 11:07 AM
Over all the Ca. knife laws are reasonably passable. The any length folder is cool...it would just be nice if there were more mega folders out there.


Big enough for you?
http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.fotothing.com/photos/80d/80df5995ff4fd68896e8cc3f5784d5df_b33.jpg&sa=X&ei=_2VUTLmIHIqisQOXy93aAg&ved=0CAUQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNGU_Zb_mxxKZfCs6CTD6jarlX_c_g

A buddy of mine has one. It's like a folding machette!
Regards,
Mike

Librarian
07-31-2010, 11:30 AM
How does a dirk/dagger differ from a knife?

PC 12020 (c) [re-formatted a bit] (24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means

a knife or other instrument with or without a handguard

that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death.

A nonlocking folding knife,
a folding knife that is not prohibited by Section 653k, or
a pocketknife

is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death

only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.
In other words, any fixed-blade knife (or ice pick, or whatever) with something resembling a point might be called a 'dirk or dagger'. A folder that is open and locked may also be a 'dirk or dagger'. A non-locking folder does not meet the definition.

Kynoch
07-31-2010, 3:59 PM
PC 12020 (c) [re-formatted a bit]In other words, any fixed-blade knife (or ice pick, or whatever) with something resembling a point might be called a 'dirk or dagger'. A folder that is open and locked may also be a 'dirk or dagger'. A non-locking folder does not meet the definition.
So locking folders are illegal once they are opened?

Turo
07-31-2010, 4:02 PM
So locking folders are illegal once they are opened?

No. They are considered "fixed blade" knives when locked open and then are illegal to carry concealed, as any fixed blade knife is. When folded they can be concealed, but not locked open.

Turo
07-31-2010, 4:03 PM
Big enough for you?

*pic removed for brevity*

A buddy of mine has one. It's like a folding machette!
Regards,
Mike

Considering the folder I carry every day has a blade length of 6 inches and an overall opened length of 13 inches, no, it's not really big enough :D.

Wulf
07-31-2010, 9:12 PM
Big enough for you?
http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.fotothing.com/photos/80d/80df5995ff4fd68896e8cc3f5784d5df_b33.jpg&sa=X&ei=_2VUTLmIHIqisQOXy93aAg&ved=0CAUQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNGU_Zb_mxxKZfCs6CTD6jarlX_c_g

A buddy of mine has one. It's like a folding machette!
Regards,
Mike

I've been looking at the Raj. Need to get my hands on one before I'm in though. I tend to be really fussy about ergonomics and I need to fondle it for a while before I buy.

jimh
07-31-2010, 9:51 PM
what about school zones?

Librarian
07-31-2010, 10:12 PM
what about school zones?

Zones? Irrelevant.

Campuses (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2289918&postcount=6), however ...

gorblimey
07-31-2010, 10:17 PM
What the smaller knife in the pic? Looks like a Manix type, but which one?

Jerkdog
07-31-2010, 10:32 PM
I've been looking at the Raj. Need to get my hands on one before I'm in though. I tend to be really fussy about ergonomics and I need to fondle it for a while before I buy.

Big enough for you?
http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.fotothing.com/photos/80d/80df5995ff4fd68896e8cc3f5784d5df_b33.jpg&sa=X&ei=_2VUTLmIHIqisQOXy93aAg&ved=0CAUQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNGU_Zb_mxxKZfCs6CTD6jarlX_c_g

A buddy of mine has one. It's like a folding machette!
Regards,
Mike

The one that's pictured is the Rajah II. I picked up a Rajah I on clearance a few months ago. The thing is a monster!

Got mine today too...holy moley that's a big folder.

Here's a pic of the Rajah I next to my Benchmade 710 (daily carry)...keep in mind that the Benchmade has almost a 4" blade! :eek:
http://imgur.com/3TbYY.jpg

Here's one with a ruler for reference...
http://imgur.com/f7cCP.jpg


Here's the best pic from another thread...

Be warned.... it's farking HUGE!

Here's some perspective....

http://personal.linkline.com/rlockyer/XD9/rajahfold.jpg
http://personal.linkline.com/rlockyer/XD9/rajahopen.jpg

thayne
07-31-2010, 11:45 PM
I need to get one of those cold steel rajh's :drool5:

GoodEyeSniper
08-01-2010, 7:53 PM
What the smaller knife in the pic? Looks like a Manix type, but which one?

Looks like a C95 Manix to me, never saw that color G10, but I'm not really familiar with them.

http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=165

J.D.Allen
08-01-2010, 9:08 PM
Be aware that while concealing a fixed blade knife is illegal, carrying any knife over a certain size openly may be illegal depending upon the county and city ordinances.

In LA County you cannot carry any exposed knife with a blade 3" or longer. LA City has the same ordinance.

AZ just preempted and nullified all county and local knife ordinances. You can now carry any type of knife you want (including switchblades of any length, balisongs, etc...) open or concealed, no permit needed, anywhere in the state. I really hope CA. gets its stuff together soon...:rolleyes:

cmth
08-01-2010, 9:52 PM
New Hampshire also recently legalized all types of blades and all forms of carrying those blades. If you could make an automatic knife the size of a Scottish claymore, it would be legal to own and carry in NH.

Cokebottle
08-01-2010, 10:04 PM
I need to get one of those cold steel rajh's :drool5:
Honestly, it's too big for EDC.
Mine is relegated to camping/offroad carry.

bambam8d1
08-01-2010, 10:07 PM
just last week I saw some mexican dude in jeans and a wife beater walkin into stater bros in costa mesa with a big *** like 12" buck knife on his belt... havent seen this out here before

Vox
08-01-2010, 10:25 PM
In some places it's even shorter than 3", I seem to recall some places requiring 2.75.

I think that knives should be covered under 2a, since a knife has long been used as a military arm, has sporting applications, has self defense applications etc...

I would like to see someone's CCW that lists a handgun and a fixed blade knife as their carry weapons.

it wouldn't be a stretch, all you'd have to do is mention a Ka-Bar.

lotar4life
08-05-2010, 9:43 PM
Yeah, Jim's write up is always a good starting point.

Basically, barring local ordnances, you can concealed carry any folding knife of any length. (that's not including illegal folding knives like balisongs and >2" switchblades) Fixed blade knives of any length are legal to carry openly only. Also, to clear up another bit of FUD that likes to pop it's ugly head up is that a fixed blade knife may be double edged. There is nothing in the PC that says anything about double edged blades.

So technically I can carry a samurai sword on my back no problem according to http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html?

M198
08-05-2010, 9:55 PM
Hows about something like this? Worlds biggest Buck knife.
http://laist.com/attachments/la_zach/schwarzenegger-cuts-knife.jpg

Librarian
08-05-2010, 11:17 PM
So technically I can carry a samurai sword on my back no problem according to http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html?

Yes.

Presuming you are not doing anything else illegal, that behavior on its own is not prohibited.

That does not mean that one carrying a sword will necessarily avoid attention.

lotar4life
08-05-2010, 11:40 PM
Yes.

Presuming you are not doing anything else illegal, that behavior on its own is not prohibited.

That does not mean that one carrying a sword will necessarily avoid attention.

Roger that.

toopercentmlk
08-05-2010, 11:48 PM
Apparently I haven't been carrying my Kershaw Leek or other nifty item into Disneyland almost every weekend for the past four years...

Librarian
08-06-2010, 12:10 AM
Apparently I haven't been carrying my Kershaw Leek or other nifty item into Disneyland almost every weekend for the past four years...

You've been to Disneyland almost 200 times?

Decoligny
08-06-2010, 8:23 AM
So technically I can carry a samurai sword on my back no problem according to http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html?

As long as you keep in mind the local ordinances. There is nothing in the State PC that would prohibit it.

WatchMan
08-06-2010, 10:09 AM
You've been to Disneyland almost 200 times?

Yeah that was my question....

WatchMan
08-06-2010, 10:34 AM
AZ just preempted and nullified all county and local knife ordinances. You can now carry any type of knife you want (including switchblades of any length, balisongs, etc...) open or concealed, no permit needed, anywhere in the state. I really hope CA. gets its stuff together soon...:rolleyes:

This sounds interesting. So then in terms of the federal Switchblade Act, does this now allow switchblades to be imported into AZ from other states with the intention of vendors selling them to the public? Could a resident of AZ order one and have it shipped to them? Just curious.

hakcenter
08-06-2010, 11:00 AM
AFAIK up to 4"+ fixed needs to be openly carried.

Local city and county ordinances can change the requirements, so you really need to look them up. I live in Riverside, where they ban billy clubs.. but no mentioning of knives.

Since I live in a GFSZ I just carry my kabar with me when the wife and I go walking. I'm thinking about carrying some throwing knives as well.

J.D.Allen
08-06-2010, 11:50 AM
This sounds interesting. So then in terms of the federal Switchblade Act, does this now allow switchblades to be imported into AZ from other states with the intention of vendors selling them to the public? Could a resident of AZ order one and have it shipped to them? Just curious.

I don't know how it relates to federal law which obviously no state law can contradict, but I know they have switchblades (err...auto openers) for sale right out in the open at my local sporting goods store...they're not cheap either, but they're good quality. Not sure about importation or ordering online from a federal standpoint, but I'm pretty sure the state doesn't care.

Decoligny
08-06-2010, 12:12 PM
AFAIK up to 4"+ fixed needs to be openly carried.
Local city and county ordinances can change the requirements, so you really need to look them up. I live in Riverside, where they ban billy clubs.. but no mentioning of knives.

Since I live in a GFSZ I just carry my kabar with me when the wife and I go walking. I'm thinking about carrying some throwing knives as well.

This cannot be repeated enough apparently, concealing ANY fixed blade knife can get you a FELONY charge under PC 12020.

ALL FIXED BLADE KNIVES MUST BE CARRIED OPENLY.


12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
...
(4) Carries concealed upon his or her person any dirk or dagger.
...
(24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife
or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of
ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury
or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not
prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use
as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death
only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.

znode
08-06-2010, 12:22 PM
AFAIK up to 4"+ fixed needs to be openly carried.
.

This isn't true. ALL fixed need to be openly carried, or it's a crime.

DisgruntledReaper
08-06-2010, 12:22 PM
So technically I can carry a samurai sword on my back no problem according to http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html?

NICE! just the info I was looking for...now i can carry my short katana with me in its sheath when walking my sis' dog or walking with the family at night....she lives in Norco/Corona near the big wash and there are some 'yotes out there the size of german sheppards and they run in packs.....a couple neighbors had their dogs 'baited' by a ***** in heat and then the pack jumped and killed the dog(s)..........tell you it can get rather wild out there and it is 'in the OC range. I had been carrying something that made a lot of noise if needed to protect from yote attack,but now will carry the sword..looks like a 'smooth curved walking stick'

lotar4life
08-06-2010, 2:33 PM
NICE! just the info I was looking for...now i can carry my short katana with me in its sheath when walking my sis' dog or walking with the family at night....she lives in Norco/Corona near the big wash and there are some 'yotes out there the size of german sheppards and they run in packs.....a couple neighbors had their dogs 'baited' by a ***** in heat and then the pack jumped and killed the dog(s)..........tell you it can get rather wild out there and it is 'in the OC range. I had been carrying something that made a lot of noise if needed to protect from yote attack,but now will carry the sword..looks like a 'smooth curved walking stick'

Sounds like a win win to me!

BTW... if you don't want to carry an actual sword, you can always carry a rattan stick. Perfectly legal and can inflict enormous damage when used properly. I train with them weekly in Kali classes. Brutal mutha's!

Cokebottle
08-06-2010, 5:25 PM
AFAIK up to 4"+ fixed needs to be openly carried.
Up to 4"+ what?

Fixed ALWAYS must be carried openly.
I live in Riverside, where they ban billy clubs.. but no mentioning of knives.
That's state law... billy club, baton, sap, etc...
Since I live in a GFSZ I just carry my kabar with me when the wife and I go walking. I'm thinking about carrying some throwing knives as well.
I'm not 100% positive, but I believe throwing knives are not legal in CA.
Throwing stars are absolutely illegal.

cmth
08-06-2010, 7:02 PM
There is nothing to differentiate a "throwing knife" from a regular knife, other than you throwing it. Most knives sold as throwing knives are worthless in that regard anyway. They are sold to suckers who watch too many cheesy 80's action movies. Throwing a knife at someone, unless you are exceptionally skilled at doing it, is a good way to give them a weapon to use against you.

Librarian
08-06-2010, 7:16 PM
Evidence I've seen in catalogs and on web sites suggests there is a widespread impression that double-edged knives are restricted. It might be some bleed-over from 'dirks or daggers' prohibited from concealed carry, since many classical dirks and daggers are double-edged.

But there's nothing in PC about throwing knives or double-edged knives.

Steyr_223
08-06-2010, 7:42 PM
This cannot be repeated enough apparently, concealing ANY fixed blade knife can get you a FELONY charge under PC 12020.

ALL FIXED BLADE KNIVES MUST BE CARRIED OPENLY.


12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
...
(4) Carries concealed upon his or her person any dirk or dagger.
...
(24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife
or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of
ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury
or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not
prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use
as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death
only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.


So having a Cold Steel Tanto in a backpack, fanny pack or laptop case illegal also?
http://rustyknives.com/images/fixed/coldsteel_tanto1.jpg

Librarian
08-06-2010, 7:56 PM
So having a Cold Steel Tanto in a backpack, fanny pack or laptop case illegal also?


Yes.

That's why I switched to a pocket-carried folder.

Steyr_223
08-06-2010, 8:08 PM
Yes.

That's why I switched to a pocket-carried folder.

Thanks, good to know and I will tell the folks I know..

Is it requirement to have a folding knife be visible in your pocket. My Benchmade's clips is visible but I have buddy that removed his clip and his knife is not visible.

Cokebottle
08-06-2010, 8:31 PM
Thanks, good to know and I will tell the folks I know..

Is it requirement to have a folding knife be visible in your pocket. My Benchmade's clips is visible but I have buddy that removed his clip and his knife is not visible.
Nope.... concealed is GTG. The visible pocket clip would still be considered "concealed".

It's one area where California is actually better than many states.