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RRangel
04-23-2006, 2:44 PM
I suppose to some of the local politicians this is good news.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=64314

Contact: Alan Gottlieb of Second Amendment Foundation, 425-454-7012; Web: http://www.saf.org (http://releases.usnewswire.com/redir.asp?ReleaseID=64314&Link=http://www.saf.org)
BELLEVUE, Wash., April 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Census Bureau has reported what amounts to a "domestic migration" from three large cities in three key states, and the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) blames much of this population flight on repressive gun laws.
The Associated Press reported Thursday that, according to the Census Bureau, states losing the most people are New York, California and Illinois.
"This is no mystery," said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb. "Those states are infamous for their anti-gun attitudes. Countless times have we heard from people who have moved from those states because they wanted to escape the Draconian gun laws.
"The Census Bureau reports that New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles lost the most residents between 2000 and 2004," Gottlieb continued. "Anti-gun politicians and their restrictive gun laws have made it virtually impossible for average law-abiding citizens to get a concealed pistol license in Los Angeles or New York City. In Chicago, you can't own an unregistered handgun, and they no longer register handguns.
"Americans prefer to live where they can enjoy freedom and liberty, rather than depend upon an oppressive, disinterested municipal bureaucracy for their safety," he said
"It's not enough just to have a job anymore," Gottlieb noted. "Americans are choosing to live where their families are secure and where sensible gun laws allow them to protect themselves and what's theirs. They're tired of being treated like criminals for exercising their civil right to own a gun. They're tired of taking the rap for crimes they didn't commit because gun-hating politicians are powerless against predatory thugs, or have sold out to political correctness, and refuse to crack down.
"They're tired of being scapegoats for governments that do more harm than good," he concluded. "They want to live where owning guns is respected rather than reviled, and where criminals think twice about attacking someone who may be ready and willing to fight back."
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The Second Amendment Foundation ( http://www.saf.org (http://releases.usnewswire.com/redir.asp?ReleaseID=64314&Link=http://www.saf.org) ) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.

The Soup Nazi
04-23-2006, 4:47 PM
And to take their places are illegal immigrants who will screw up the census and the district lines which plays into the liberal democrats' plans.

marklbucla
04-23-2006, 5:19 PM
This mass exodus has nothing to do with the housing prices???

bbq_ribs
04-23-2006, 5:43 PM
This mass exodus has nothing to do with the housing prices???

It said "blames much of this" - not all of it. Other articles note that the housing prices are a big part of it.

But yeah, if it's "Get cheaper property AND have fewer absurd local gun laws to deal with" - yeah, I'd move too. heh.

The g/f & I are planning on moving out of the state within the next 2 years too. The asinine political climate and out of control housing prices are the biggest reasons.

marklbucla
04-23-2006, 5:56 PM
Don't forget the crime and traffic too.

JALLEN
04-23-2006, 6:17 PM
This mass exodus has nothing to do with the housing prices???

The housing prices are the result of a artificially constricted supply (controlled growth), and very high demand, aggravated somewhat by rapidly rising values. Obviously if population decline keeps up, pretty soon the high demand will be a thing of the past.

Satex
04-23-2006, 7:25 PM
I doubt the migration is significantly influenced by gun laws. The more important thing to people is food on the table and roof over their heads. Right now, it is very difficult to buy a roof over your head in CA and as a result, the effective income is reduced and therefore food as well.
The best thing for CA and SOCAL is that a few large enterprises move out to different states. They can easily take tens of thousands of people with them, and cause the housing market to crash. The interest rates are already taking their toll. We were driving around today, and there were 2-10 "open house" signs on EVERY corner!

Scope
04-23-2006, 7:36 PM
I think this article is BS. All SAF did was take Census Bureau statistics and add their own explanations. While it is nice to think that favorable gun laws have a major impact on people's choices instinct tells me that it is more driven by economics than anything else. Big cities are expensive, especially with the current housing market, and not the most conducive environments to raising families.

Obviously if population decline keeps up, pretty soon the high demand will be a thing of the past.

The report is about domestic migration, and does not include statistics for international migration. The loss numbers given reflect that there is a net loss of people when counting only those who moved among States, not a net loss of population. International migrants may still give such areas a positive net population growth. Here is a link to the Census Bureau report.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p25-1135.pdf

marklbucla
04-23-2006, 7:38 PM
I just didn't want to be the first to say it- This is about the worst abuse of Statistics I've ever seen.

I'd be surprised if as many as 1% of the population used Gun Laws as their primary reason for moving out of state.

RRangel
04-23-2006, 8:16 PM
I honestly think most people in big cities don't correlate a lack of gun rights with crime for obvious reasons. If they did they might display different voting habits.

Crime has allot to do with the quality of life in a big city. More so than I bet people will admit, so in that regard I consider gun control a contributing issue, but not necessarily the one reason people leave.

It's a very interesting correlation.

Omega13device
04-23-2006, 8:56 PM
I thought crime has been decreasing steadily.

Bacon
04-27-2006, 10:24 AM
Been here for 53 years & finally getting out. In-laws (4th generation Californians) are already on their way. I can tell you that stupid gun laws are a big factor for the males in my family. Not the only reason but definately one of the big three. So that article is not totally off.

It's time to quit living in denile.