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wildhawker
07-28-2010, 3:38 PM
All,

As part of our ongoing commitment to education and advancing up-to-date firearm-related legal information, Calguns Foundation once again breaks new ground by establishing an accredited Minimum Continuing Legal Education (MCLE) Program for attorneys who practice in or encounter 2A/firearm law, including (but not limited to) district attorneys, county counsel, CLEO legal counsel, public defenders, defense and civil rights attorneys.

If you work in any of the below fields, or feel you would be able to contribute to the creation of a top-flight MCLE program in any way, please PM me or email brandon dot combs at calgundfoundation.org.

* Attorneys, paralegals and others
* Corporate Trainers
* Training Program Creators (including "Train the Trainer" courses)
* Organizational Development

Some information on the MCLE courtesy of the state bar (http://mcle.calbar.ca.gov/Providers/EducationApproval.aspx).

Please do also reach out if you're interested in hosting a CGF-sponsored MCLE seminar.

-Brandon

383green
07-28-2010, 3:58 PM
Outstanding! :thumbsup:

Mstrty
07-28-2010, 6:50 PM
AWsome!

wildhawker
07-28-2010, 6:52 PM
AWsome!

Exactly. ;)

Connor P Price
07-29-2010, 7:55 AM
I just need to get through law school first.

FastFinger
07-29-2010, 9:08 AM
Excellent!

GuyW
07-29-2010, 9:52 AM
....moneymaker for the .org, and more boots on the ground...
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tango-52
07-29-2010, 9:59 AM
Are you going to offer scholarships to Allison Merriles and Gary Gorski? :rofl2:

OleCuss
07-29-2010, 2:10 PM
I think I estimated 6 months before the seminars on firearms law started. . . It looks like I was pessimistic on timing.

I'd not allow Gorski to sign up - 'twould be too disruptive.

edwardm
07-29-2010, 3:24 PM
Hrm. At least it would be a fun and enjoyable way to get some of my CLE credits done and out of the way. :)

Steyrlp10
07-29-2010, 3:39 PM
Brandon,

I'll pass your request onto my association, the MDLPA. I'll let you know if anyone in Contra Costa can help you with this project.

hoffmang
07-29-2010, 7:53 PM
Hrm. At least it would be a fun and enjoyable way to get some of my CLE credits done and out of the way. :)

Careful, we'll volunteer you into being an instructor after you take it :43:

-Gene

obeygiant
07-29-2010, 8:38 PM
Great News! Now it's our turn to take them to school. :43:

Sobriquet
07-29-2010, 10:07 PM
Hrm. At least it would be a fun and enjoyable way to get some of my CLE credits done and out of the way. :)

My thoughts exactly.

pennys dad
07-29-2010, 10:18 PM
Nice! Almost makes me want to go back to school and learn a new skill and then become a 2a specialist, Very Exciting!! Well done!
Oh, what kind of hosting do you need?

glockwise2000
07-29-2010, 10:23 PM
AWsome!

Nicely said.

jdberger
07-29-2010, 10:27 PM
I'm in.....

snobord99
07-29-2010, 11:16 PM
Hmm...don't think I could help...but I sure wouldn't mind some MCLE credits...any chance any of it will cover legal ethics? I need 2 more hours by the end of the year :p.

Gryff
07-29-2010, 11:26 PM
I plan/manage the MCLE events for a smaller South Bay bar association (I'm not an attorney, though). One thing I've noticed about this group (they're mostly Estate Planning attorneys) is that they are lacking in knowledge about how firearms law affects estates, wills, powers of attorney, incompetency procedure, etc.

In addition to criminal law aspects, this might be a good hook into the legal communities.

wildhawker
07-30-2010, 1:16 AM
This is a really good point. Any chance we could chat soon about how we could build a segment around firearms/estate/family law overlap?


I plan/manage the MCLE events for a smaller South Bay bar association (I'm not an attoney, though). One thing I've noticed about this group (they're mostly Estate Planning attorneys) is that they are lacking in knowledge about how firearms law affects estates, wills, powers of attorney, incompetency procedure, etc.

In addition to criminal law aspects, this might be a good hook into the legal communities.

wash
07-30-2010, 9:16 AM
Let's get all the lawyers boned up on NFA trusts!

AMDG
07-30-2010, 9:16 AM
Sweet, this may be the first MCLE I don't sleep through!

dantodd
07-30-2010, 9:35 AM
Let's get all the lawyers boned up on NFA trusts!

I'm not familiar with how MCLE courses work but I think that once we get a core program put together it would be great to assemble short courses that deal with issues that are specifically not criminal defense related.

wash
07-30-2010, 9:53 AM
I think people really learn best by doing.

I will volunteer to let an MCLE student make an NFA trust for me.

It's the least I can do...

IGOTDIRT4U
07-30-2010, 10:19 AM
Maybe I missed it, but will this go toward any particular legal specialization? Or does this just satisfy the some of the CLE hours requirement?

edwardm
07-30-2010, 10:21 AM
Actually, if no one objected and folks found my delivery competent, I'd be glad to volunteer as an instructor!

Careful, we'll volunteer you into being an instructor after you take it :43:

-Gene

edwardm
07-30-2010, 10:24 AM
Maybe I missed it, but will this go toward any particular legal specialization? Or does this just satisfy the some of the CLE hours requirement?

I haven't checked the bar website lately, but I think specialization (and claims thereto) require passing a separate testing regimen. I do not think MCLE work pushes counsel towards any form of specialization. Could be wrong though, since I'm not a specialist and don't claim to be. :)

And interesting thought is that some CLE seminars are actually sufficient to jumpstart an attorney towards competence in a given field. Mostly I have seen this with Chapter 13 bankruptcy or certain venues of consumer law (debt collection and credit reporting), but there is really no reason the same cannot hold true for 2A and 2A-related practice areas.

RomanDad
07-30-2010, 10:26 AM
Any help I can give.

IGOTDIRT4U
07-30-2010, 10:31 AM
I haven't checked the bar website lately, but I think specialization (and claims thereto) require passing a separate testing regimen. I do not think MCLE work pushes counsel towards any form of specialization. Could be wrong though, since I'm not a specialist and don't claim to be. :)

And interesting thought is that some CLE seminars are actually sufficient to jumpstart an attorney towards competence in a given field. Mostly I have seen this with Chapter 13 bankruptcy or certain venues of consumer law (debt collection and credit reporting), but there is really no reason the same cannot hold true for 2A and 2A-related practice areas.

That's why I was asking. It would have to be set up the correct way, but it depends one the specialization. Some (probably most) MCLE work has no bearing on them at all.

For example, in Workers Comp, there is an annual seminar that is real popular, because it gives an attendee MCLE hours and also adds to specialization requirements.

Steyrlp10
07-30-2010, 10:45 AM
I plan/manage the MCLE events for a smaller South Bay bar association (I'm not an attoney, though). One thing I've noticed about this group (they're mostly Estate Planning attorneys) is that they are lacking in knowledge about how firearms law affects estates, wills, powers of attorney, incompetency procedure, etc.

In addition to criminal law aspects, this might be a good hook into the legal communities.

This is a good point and thank you for bringing it up. My office just had a trust administration issue come up involving firearms that are included in the list of assets. The registration process and the passing of the firearms onto the beneficiares came up. I think it was quite an educational moment for the bosses.

wildhawker
07-30-2010, 11:05 AM
Firstly, thanks to everyone who's offered to help. I am excited to see such a strong team building, with very diverse areas of practice and experience, to create a balanced MCLE offering.

To answer the question about target audience, the answer is: I think it will be a phased rollout of more gradually specific and/or tailored information. Initially, we want to reach the first level most likely to encounter firearms issues, which is (off the top of my head) public defenders, district attorneys, county counsel/city attorneys and criminal defense attorneys.

Keep the great ideas and feedback coming!

-Brandon

D-Man
07-30-2010, 11:58 AM
My wife who specializes in family law would be interested as DV and TROs are part and parcel of her business. It would help to educate her as well in regards to firearms and the law.

steadyrock
07-30-2010, 5:27 PM
That's why I was asking. It would have to be set up the correct way, but it depends one the specialization. Some (probably most) MCLE work has no bearing on them at all.

For example, in Workers Comp, there is an annual seminar that is real popular, because it gives an attendee MCLE hours and also adds to specialization requirements.

Thanks for the tip. Anything we can do to make the training more attractive, looks appealing to me. What you describe sounds like a win-win.

Connor P Price
07-30-2010, 8:05 PM
This may be a bit out there, but I've always found that the best way to get anyone to realize that guns aren't evil is to get them to a range and behind a gun. I'm currently pursuing a degree in business law as well as prepping for the LSAT. Needless to say it will be a while before I need to worry about MCLE's. That being said I would like to help.

I can't see mandatory range time working for a class like this. However, if the instructors would like to mention range time being available, I would love to meet up with the students the day after or weekend after and give them some time behind some rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Depending where these classes will be administered, I would imagine there are plenty of other calgunners nearby that would be interested in helping in this capacity as well. If we can get these lawyers behind a .22, a scoped rifle, an ar/ak, a pistol,a revolver and a shotgun, they are bound to find something that seems like a whole lot of fun. I can't think of a better way to get a few extra influential individuals in our corner.

What do you all think?

Steyrlp10
07-30-2010, 9:14 PM
This may be a bit out there, but I've always found that the best way to get anyone to realize that guns aren't evil is to get them to a range and behind a gun. I'm currently pursuing a degree in business law as well as prepping for the LSAT. Needless to say it will be a while before I need to worry about MCLE's. That being said I would like to help.

I can't see mandatory range time working for a class like this. However, if the instructors would like to mention range time being available, I would love to meet up with the students the day after or weekend after and give them some time behind some rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Depending where these classes will be administered, I would imagine there are plenty of other calgunners nearby that would be interested in helping in this capacity as well. If we can get these lawyers behind a .22, a scoped rifle, an ar/ak, a pistol,a revolver and a shotgun, they are bound to find something that seems like a whole lot of fun. I can't think of a better way to get a few extra influential individuals in our corner.

What do you all think?

If the interest level is there for range time after the classroom time has been completed, I'm sure the C3s will be able to help. Please keep us in the loop.

OleCuss
08-03-2010, 8:15 AM
Connor's idea is kind of intriguing. It might be interesting along this line of thinking to get a list of CalGunners who might be willing to show up with some of their weapons to be utilized by those doing the range time. If it were within a reasonable distance I might show up and bring a few firearms and I'd bet others with much bigger arsenals would as well. This might be particularly useful if you want them to see different representations of OLL's, RAW's at various levels of featuredom, etc. People who can demonstrate different versions of CCW, UOC, and LOC might be of interest as well.

LHC30
08-03-2010, 8:27 AM
Just saw this wonderful post and forwarded the info to our training group.

GuyW
12-30-2010, 2:09 PM
bump

OleCuss
12-30-2010, 2:18 PM
Thank you for the bump. I was wondering yesterday what had happened to this project.

Gryff
10-21-2013, 3:51 PM
This is a necro-thread, but it is still a good idea. It astounds me the number of incidents I hear from estate planning/probate attorneys about how they advise clients to turn guns into the cops when the original owner dies.