You know someone is a gun newbie when...

[The Soup Nazi]

What are some of the most common mistakes that people make when they think they're a guru on guns?

1. They think a magazine and a stripper clip are the same thing and use the terms interchangeably.

2. They mistake the magazine of the SKS as a forward pistol grip when its released...

3. They think a "High capacity" magazine is over 10 rounds...

4. When their gun misfires, they turn it off range and repeatedly pull the trigger...

5. (This one is my friend) They load a 9mm live round into an airsoft gun, firing it, which causes the ejected casing to smash through a plaster wall and the plastic frame of the gun just cracks in half vertically.

[MrTuffPaws]

They look down the barrel. (actually, when ever I teach someone for the first time, after clearing the weapon, and teaching them how to clear it, I ask them if they want to look down the barrel. They always do, so I tell them to get it out of their system while we know the weapon is safe and then tell them never to do it again.)

[killermarmot]

After firing your rifle for the first time, even after you've warned them, tehy stand up holding their nose with that little ring shaped cut on it cause they mounted with their eye on the scope.

(although I've seen experienced shooter do this i'm still calling it newbie)

[NRAhighpowershooter]

You might be a newbie if you buy a 308 rifle and you complain that after 10 rnds your shoulder hurts.....

[LOW2000]

You might be a newbie if you buy a 308 rifle and you complain that after 10 rnds your shoulder hurts.....

How about a Yugo Mauser in 8mm? That damn thing still bruises me with only 10 rounds, after 50 rounds, I can't take it any more.


And I know the clip/mag thing drives some people nuts, but really, its a pretty anal thing to get upset over. Its like when people call a wheelcover a hubcap or viceversa, you have a pretty good idea what they are talking about.

[phish]

"Howcome the gun stores don't stock ARs or AKs anymore?"

:p

[bear308]

When you cross your weakhand thumb behind the slide on a semi (watching people do it with that vampire style 92FS slide is just funny).

When you bring your girlfriend to the range for the first time and try to rent a lightweight 357 for her.

The whole Luger / Ruger things, that really makes me chukle.

"The sights are off"

When you think the handguard on a FAL is and optional part.

Leaving the takedown lever in the takedown possition (seen plenty of long time shooters do it too, but really funny)

[The Soup Nazi]

6. When someone thinks "Double Action" means the gun fires twice with one trigger pull.

[50 Freak]

5. (This one is my friend) They load a 9mm live round into an airsoft gun, firing it, which causes the ejected casing to smash through a plaster wall and the plastic frame of the gun just cracks in half vertically.

Holy Crap, how is lefty?

Heard these one liners I've seen or heard, can you figure out the error?

1) I have a friend that has an all plastic glock......
2) When I was with the "Seals" I used to carry an AR-15....

[bu-bye]

1. When they stand at the line with a hand gun and they lean waaaaaaaaaay back right before they fire, like the gun weighs 50lbs

2. When they reach the end of a mag and don't notice and push the gun forward while pulling the trigger.

3. When they ask...."Can I hold it sideways?" :mad:

4. When no matter how much instruction I give them they put their eye right on a scope and say "I can't see anything, its all black"

5. When you have a right handed shooter who is left eye dom trying to shoot a long gun and they just for the life of them can use their right eye.

6. "You really make your own bullets?!?! Is that even legal?!?!:mad:

[The Soup Nazi]

My friend who fired the 9mm wasn't hurt, and no one else either. We actually had to admit that it was pretty cool even though he was down an airsoft pistol.

[superhondaz50]

"Howcome the gun stores don't stock ARs or AKs anymore?"

one time while I was in turners about 4 months ago a guy walks in and up to the counter and says "I used to shoot alot back in the 80's and I want to get back into it... I need a Colt AR-15, some ammo..... and would you guys happen to have one of those drop in auto sear thingys? I heard they're pretty neat!"

[tpliquid1]

when they tried to pull the foward assist to charge the bolt back.

[CWM4A1]

...When they fire a magazine full of ammo out of a centerfire caliber rifle, then proceed to grab the gun by the barrel.

By the way, what kind of airsoft gun have a chamber that actually fits live 9mm ammo? I thought they are all 6mm only?:rolleyes:

[tpliquid1]

...When they fire a magazine full of ammo out of a centerfire caliber rifle, then proceed to grab the gun by the barrel.

By the way, what kind of airsoft gun have a chamber that actually fits live 9mm ammo? I thought they are all 6mm only?:rolleyes:

prolly took the inner barrel out.

[blacklisted]

when they tried to pull the foward assist to charge the bolt back.

But...that's how it works in counter-strike!

[choochboost]

They insist the sights are off because they consistently shoot low left.

[ohsmily]

They insist the sights are off because they consistently shoot low left.
:D
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=32524

[CWM4A1]

That's weird. Even if he replace the tube... isn't Airsoft just blowing air to the back of the BB? How does that set a 9mm live round off is beyond me. However, I can see that happening if it's one of the plastic model gun made by Japanese. Handle one before, 1:1 scale as a Beretta M9, take blanks (spcial one, not what you usually see on the blank guns), all plastic construction and yes, you can fit a 9mm round in the chamber and it does have hammer and plastic firing pin...

[grammaton76]

That's weird. Even if he replace the tube... isn't Airsoft just blowing air to the back of the BB? How does that set a 9mm live round off is beyond me. However, I can see that happening if it's one of the plastic model gun made by Japanese. Handle one before, 1:1 scale as a Beretta M9, take blanks (spcial one, not what you usually see on the blank guns), all plastic construction and yes, you can fit a 9mm round in the chamber and it does have hammer and plastic firing pin...

Uh, Airsoft *is* the plastic model guns made by the Japanese. However, some of them are metal. The high-end Airsoft frequently costs more than the real thing!

[tpliquid1]

That's weird. Even if he replace the tube... isn't Airsoft just blowing air to the back of the BB? How does that set a 9mm live round off is beyond me. However, I can see that happening if it's one of the plastic model gun made by Japanese. Handle one before, 1:1 scale as a Beretta M9, take blanks (spcial one, not what you usually see on the blank guns), all plastic construction and yes, you can fit a 9mm round in the chamber and it does have hammer and plastic firing pin...

i have that, also have M16 my dad bought from japan, has auto sear and everything, too bad its all flimsy.

[CWM4A1]

Uh, Airsoft *is* the plastic model guns made by the Japanese. However, some of them are metal. The high-end Airsoft frequently costs more than the real thing!

Okay, to clarify: The model gun that I handled was 1:1 to the real thing not just exterior scale, but also mechanical operation. Yes. I have the higher end electrical airsoft gun... they are sitting in the closet in my home country. Well, I really don't miss them all that much. :D

ETA: Okay, I will stop here. Starting to sound like airsoft guy...

[caliar15]

How about a Yugo Mauser in 8mm? That damn thing still bruises me with only 10 rounds, after 50 rounds, I can't take it any more.


And I know the clip/mag thing drives some people nuts, but really, its a pretty anal thing to get upset over. Its like when people call a wheelcover a hubcap or viceversa, you have a pretty good idea what they are talking about.
Its not upseting and its more like calling the barrel a trigger or a sear the firing pin, you just come off sounding like you don't know much about guns when you do it.

[grammaton76]

Okay, to clarify: The model gun that I handled was 1:1 to the real thing not just exterior scale, but also mechanical operation. Yes. I have the higher end electrical airsoft gun... they are sitting in the closet in my home country. Well, I really don't miss them all that much. :D

ETA: Okay, I will stop here. Starting to sound like airsoft guy...

Ah, ok. I should post pics some time of the Maverick 88 bullpup shotgun I have in Airsoft. My roomie went and bought its 12ga counterpart, and we have lots of fun putting them side by side in front of gun newbies to see which one they think is real.

I will, however, say that Airsoft is remarkably useful whenever a wasp gets into the house...

[Black Majik]

Umm... how about the people that call rounds/ammunition "bullets". That is almost as popular as the people that call magazines "clips"

Calling a Desert Eagle a "Deagle"

[superhondaz50]

Calling a Desert Eagle a "Deagle"
Everytime I hear that I just want to slap the person who said it!

[asintado]

When there's one guy at the range w/ a the gun and he's sharing it amongst 4 of his buddies.

[taloft]

Spending the whole camping trip saying, "Get your finger off the damn trigger!"

[superhondaz50]

I got a good one.....when I asked the guy at the counter at big-5 to see a swiss k-31, and he hands me a Marlin lever action and tells me they dont carry ammo for it!

[xenophobe]

... if you go to a gun store, pick up a firearm off a rack and pull the trigger before you clear and inspect it...

... or point it at someone while testing the sight picture...

... or pointing it at you when handing it back...

... or bring a loaded gun to sell at a gun store...

Yes, these happen quite frequently...

[WhiteSands]

You know someone is a gun newbie when...

When they ask how much a ceramic or porcelain Glock costs.

Glocks can go through Airport metal detectors and xray machines without detection

[accordingtoome]

You know someone is a gun newbie when... his name is The Soup Nazi. hahahaaa.. jk:D

[grammaton76]

Umm... how about the people that call rounds/ammunition "bullets". That is almost as popular as the people that call magazines "clips"

Calling a Desert Eagle a "Deagle"

Ooohhh - as a DE owner, that irks me to no end. It's all the Counterstrike players who started yammering on with that one, since it's what appears in the kill list when you shoot someone with it. To me, it's either a Desert Eagle or a DE. Very good friends can get away with calling it a Desert Chicken, if they're giving you a hard time, but not the random jimbob. Of course, the other irritating CS-derived name is the "Ahwp" (AWP)...

Don't know if it's been mentioned, but it seems every third or fourth non-gun guy is sure that "now that the assault weapons ban is over, 3-round burst is fine"...

[CALI-gula]

You know someone is a gun newbie when...

THEY TRY TO PUMP A SEMI-AUTO REMINGTON MODEL 11-87 SHOTGUN FOR THE PRESS!!

( <still> Senator John Kerry ).


or when the gun newbie answers a question of what they like to hunt most...

" I'd have to say deer" said the senator. " I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach.... That's hunting."

( <still> Senator John Kerry ).

.

[CALI-gula]

"Deagle?"

Really? You guys have got to be kidding! This right now, right here on Calguns.net, is the first time and first place I have ever heard this!

Boy... you learn something new everyday...

OUTRAGEOUSLY STUPID! ...but still new.

I think if I ever hear it in person from someone, my involuntary reaction is going to be a swift knuckle-punch to that person's spine!

[grammaton76]

Really? You guys have got to be kidding! This right now, right here on Calguns.net, is the first time and first place I have ever heard this!


Believe it... it's evil, but true. It's in the Urban Dictionary...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=deagle

And now, we go to the source - Counterstrike fiends. Note that here, this guy has decided that sniper rifles should be replaced with scoped Desert Eagles:
http://halflife2.filefront.com/file/CS_Source_DarkElfas_Deagle_AWP_Weapon_Model;52192

I think if I ever hear it in person from someone, my involuntary reaction is going to be a swift knuckle-punch to that person's spine!

In that case, I must warn you to avoid internet cafes like the plague. You'll hear people exclaiming, "I got him with the Deagle!' and such constantly, and you would be forced to punch people regularly.

Of course, it's even worse if you happen to own and periodically wear a few Magnum Research shirts, particularly the one that advertises, "Magnum Research Desert Eagle" on the back. I've lost track of the number of times I've heard, "You own a Deagle?"

Or the times the early-20s set at the range will see me unload it from a case, and comment, "Nice Deagle".

Unfortunately, it seems to have entered the language now... *grit teeth*

[socalguns]

beats hearing "nice dildo" -- although i don't know how they got that from Desert Eagle ;)

[grammaton76]

beats hearing "nice dildo" -- although i don't know how they got that from Desert Eagle ;)

Geez, now that's one I've never heard. Although that line does leave the perfect opening for, "Well, I've never used it as one, but if you're into that... all I've gotta say is, buy yer own!" :)

[The Soup Nazi]

They mistake the Chinese 10 pocket SKS bandolier for a turban... The one to take that dubious honor is my friend when we went to a military surplus store.

When they: http://www.lilithgallery.com/music/FearAmericans2-GunControl.wmv

Do everything in this video.

[LOW2000]

They mistake the Chinese 10 pocket SKS bandolier for a turban... The one to take that dubious honor is my friend when we went to a military surplus store.

When they: http://www.lilithgallery.com/music/FearAmericans2-GunControl.wmv

Do everything in this video.

I get a little angry and throw up a little in my mouth when I watch stuff like that.

[Scope]

You know someone is a gun newbie when...
... they walk up to the counter at an indoor range and ask to rent a Glock 18.

I saw it happen, and after leaving the store laughed all the way home.

[The Soup Nazi]

You know someones a gun newb when at a gun store they pull the bolt mechanism or open the action, then they can't figure out how to push it back in or close it, so they put it back on the rack all shady like hoping no one notices their incompetance.

[LOW2000]

You know someone is a gun newbie when...
... they walk up to the counter at an indoor range and ask to rent a Glock 18.

I saw it happen, and after leaving the store laughed all the way home.

I coulda swore they did rent those at certain ranges, certainly not in CA, but a lot of people don't realize just how screwed up our laws are.

http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/rental.htm

If you look at the guns hanging on the wall, it looks like there is a glock hanging there.

[WallySparx]

When there's one guy at the range w/ a the gun and he's sharing it amongst 4 of his buddies.
what's wrong with that?

[Scope]

I coulda swore they did rent those at certain ranges, certainly not in CA, but a lot of people don't realize just how screwed up our laws are.

http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/rental.htm

If you look at the guns hanging on the wall, it looks like there is a glock hanging there.

Yes, you can rent fully auto weapons in Nevada. However, in the event I witnessed the person referred to the Glock 18 by some Counter-Strike slang name (can't remember what it was) before saying "Glock 18". Trust me, the guy was a newb.

[kurac]

You can also be considered a newbie when.

1.) You inquire or refer to brass or empties as "shell casings".

2.) When someone hands you a 6" revolver to fire, you put your left hand around the barrel to support your right hand on the grip.

3.) You ask if its a "High Powered Rifle"

4.) You ask if its "Automatic"

5.) You ask what would your rather get shot by a .357 or a 12GA


I have also heard the term DV (Desert Vulture)

[bear308]

^ that revolver move musta stung.

Desert Beagle
Boat Anchor
"Porsche" - friggin hilarious if you get it
There are a lot of names for those things. Some good, some bad.

[socalguns]

Nothing, but its very amusing to watch.
I saw 5 guys once, even the owner was a newbie.
If you didn't know anything about shooting pistols,
you could learn a lot about what not to do :)(and I did)

[asintado]

what's wrong with that?

Only ONE guy has a gun.

[ja391]

Only ONE guy has a gun.

I don't really see a problem with that. Maybe that one person with the gun wanted to bring along some of his friends to show them how fun\safe shooting a gun can be so they could be influenced to buy thier own or lose their irrational fear of guns. Now, if you mean 5 guys around one gun who all use it unsafely then I see what you mean.

Anyway to add to the thread, you know someone's a newbie when they say "can you turn that full-auto?" referring to a bolt action gun :p

[Henry47]

you know someone is a gun newb when you

go hunting and end up shoooting your buddy in the face

[vega]

Only ONE guy has a gun.
That did happened to me while I was at Angeles Range, the veteran shooter only let them handle his FAs one at a time. They were 5 in a group. While one is shooting the rest stays behind the yellow line. I ended up collecting their shells, all 2000 rds. ;)

[NeoWeird]

I must admit I did this one:

Was shooting my Ruger 10/22 for a bit when a fellow shooter showed up with his KelTec SU-16. We got to talking about how I had some interest in them and was going to look into them more seriously (this was a while ago). So he is showing me it and is showing me the functions, just to make sure I understand the functions. He loads it and hands it to me and tells me the safety is on. Without even thinking, I reach my trigger finger forward to hit the safety I was comfortable hitting (the one on the Ruger that I had been hitting for about an hour already) and released the mag to the floor.

I can't remember the last time I felt like such a jack ***.

[Turbinator]

I don't really see a problem with that. Maybe that one person with the gun wanted to bring along some of his friends to show them how fun\safe shooting a gun can be so they could be influenced to buy thier own or lose their irrational fear of guns.

I've done this before, where I'll bring new shooters to the range but only take out 1 gun to get started. I don't want people going off on their own "thinking" that they know how to shoot, but instead getting themselves into trouble.

For me, gun beginners usually ask questions like, "What caliber is better - 9mm or .45?" -- as if those were the only 2 calibers in the world. Or - "Is that a magnum?" when they see a revolver of any kind.

Of course, other questions about full auto, "silencers" (no! they are suppressors), and "sniper rifles" are typically signs of a beginner.

Finally - there is nothing wrong with a beginner, we all started somewhere. Getting new people interested is the only way we can keep our numbers growing. We should all make it a point to introduce someone to the shooting hobby whenever we have an opportunity.

Turby

[kenc9]

Some one is a rookie when target shooting with several others shooting at the same time and after a few shots they start to run out to the target and see where they hit the target while others are aiming to shoot!

About Clips and mags....absolutely a magazine is what the proper name is...but for a long time the term """clip""" was/has been used for a Mag. But I guess not lately.

In the 70's 80's to say throw another clip in it was never strange.
I guess it was slang for a Mag. but back then saying Magazine was kind of dorky. Everybody I knew said clip!

-ken

[asintado]

That did happened to me while I was at Angeles Range, the veteran shooter only let them handle his FAs one at a time. They were 5 in a group. While one is shooting the rest stays behind the yellow line. I ended up collecting their shells, all 2000 rds. ;)

Usually when I see a group w/ one gun, the gun is a rental and the shooters are young adults. Thats what I meant.

[CowtownBallin]

Everytime I hear that I just want to slap the person who said it!

Can we call it a "Fo' pound"? Some raps songs refer to it as a "Desert E" :D

[grammaton76]

Can we call it a "Fo' pound"? Some raps songs refer to it as a "Desert E" :D

Heh, if they call it four pounds, I call it empty. 4.5lbs is the unloaded weight, 5.5 is the loaded weight if I recall... ;)

[CowtownBallin]

7 .50AE rounds = 1 lb? Wow!

[chau_mein]

You know sombodys a newbie when:
The bullet didn't shoot? Point it over here let me see.

[Supernam]

Man: "Do they make these Tasers that can shoot more than one time?"
Turners: "no"
Man: "What?! So what do you do if you miss? How much are these things?"
Turners: "About $1000"
Man: "A THOUSAND DOLLARS?!?!!! GEEZZ!"

[Akula1]

Am I missing something? What is newbieish about referring to empty brass as shell casings?:confused:

[ajwells]

Anyway to add to the thread, you know someone's a newbie when they say "can you turn that full-auto?" referring to a bolt action gun :p

I wish I still had the link, and I think I found it on calguns but don't remember, but there is this guy who turned different guns (including a bolt action I believe) into belt feed (fed? fead? i cant spell today...), now the endless supply of Johnny walker blue label has made my memory that of a goldfish so I don't remember if he did convert them to automatics but I think he did.

anyone else know the link I'm talking about?

[ohsmily]

I wish I still had the link, and I think I found it on calguns but don't remember, but there is this guy who turned different guns (including a bolt action I believe) into belt feed (fed? fead? i cant spell today...), now the endless supply of Johnny walker blue label has made my memory that of a goldfish so I don't remember if he did convert them to automatics but I think he did.

anyone else know the link I'm talking about?

How the hell are you going to convert a bolt action gun to fully automatic short of having servos physically lifting the bolt knob, pulling it back, pushing it forward, and then closing it while the rifle is in a vise. Even if someone did construct a contraption like this, it would be very large, and have a very low rate of fire. (essentially, a bolt action in "full auto" would just have a robot in place of a person working the bolt...what a F'ing stupid idea). No one did this. That is like saying someone made a "full auto" revolver which would just mean they made something that actuated the trigger over and over.

In actuality, the above two examples wouldn't even be "full auto" guns, they would just be fully automated...a big difference. By definition of design, neither a revolver nor a bolt action can be full auto. If they were "made" to be full auto, then they would be completely redesigned and different guns.

[ajwells]

How the hell are you going to convert a bolt action gun to fully automatic short of having servos physically lifting the bolt knob, pulling it back, pushing it forward, and then closing it while the rifle is in a vise. Even if someone did construct a contraption like this, it would be very large, and have a very low rate of fire. (essentially, a bolt action in "full auto" would just have a robot in place of a person working the bolt...what a F'ing stupid idea). No one did this. That is like saying someone made a "full auto" revolver which would just mean they made something that actuated the trigger over and over.

In actuality, the above two examples wouldn't even be "full auto" guns, they would just be fully automated...a big difference. By definition of design, neither a revolver nor a bolt action can be full auto. If they were "made" to be full auto, then they would be completely redesigned and different guns.

Yeah like I said I don't remember if it was full auto or not but the guy had all these pictures on his site.

hopefully someone here will know what site I'm referring to and post a link so we can all check it out and confirm how well my memory is.

I don't see it being possible (or more accurately probable) either, but I was just stating something from my, in-some-cases, useless memory.

[Barry Gannaway]

I belive you are referring to the Pederson Device that was used during WWI. Here are some sites that explain it alot better than I can.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/questions/Pedersen.htm

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/pipsqueak_pistol.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedersen_device

[ohsmily]

I belive you are referring to the Pederson Device that was used during WWI. Here are some sites that explain it alot better than I can.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/questions/Pedersen.htm

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/pipsqueak_pistol.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedersen_device

Exactly...with that add-on to the bolt gun, it is no longer a bolt action gun. There is an automatic attachment that functions within the area of the open bollt and reciprocates to fire semi-auto.

[blacklisted]

No, he's talking about this joke where a guy made it look like he converted a bunch of guns (including a bolt action) into a belt fed. I wish I could find it.

[JWC6]

Hey, I think that was my SU16! Don't worry about it, the mag release is in a weird place. I had to go to one of the Kel-tec boards to figure out where it was...

Anyway, how about this. I was trying to sight in a SS 10X42 scope on a remington, but I mounted it 90 degrees off axis, so the windage and elevation made no sense. Worse thing about it two other guys with a lot of experience tried to help me but didn't figure out the problem either. I felt like homer simpson for a while.


I must admit I did this one:

Was shooting my Ruger 10/22 for a bit when a fellow shooter showed up with his KelTec SU-16. We got to talking about how I had some interest in them and was going to look into them more seriously (this was a while ago). So he is showing me it and is showing me the functions, just to make sure I understand the functions. He loads it and hands it to me and tells me the safety is on. Without even thinking, I reach my trigger finger forward to hit the safety I was comfortable hitting (the one on the Ruger that I had been hitting for about an hour already) and released the mag to the floor.

I can't remember the last time I felt like such a jack ***.

[NeoWeird]

Hey, I think that was my SU16! Don't worry about it, the mag release is in a weird place. I had to go to one of the Kel-tec boards to figure out where it was...

Yes it was. While it is still comforting to know I am not the only one who had trouble with it; it's still one of those moments where I think back on it, even now, and all I can think about is how much you think you know when you really don't know anything.

Also, for the belt fed firearms:

http://www.shottist.com/beltfed.html

While some of those COULD be possible, it would take so much modification that it would be retarded; not to mention it would make any weapon you had it on, aside from a full auto, completely useless. Could you imagine trying to hunt deer with the *clank*clank*clank* of your belted rounds hitting your rifle as you stalked. :rolleyes:

And also, the Pederson device would be the perfect example. The guy who originaly mentioned the guns being converted said it was a bolt action gun he converted to be belt fed/full auto. He never said the bolt was there, in fact he said they were modified which would lead you to assume the entire bolt assembly was modified.

ETA: I some times get irked when people call an AR-15 a M-16, or when they see a Kalashnikov styled weapon and call it an AK-47. Even if it were made from an AK-47 parts kit, it's still not an AK-47. It doesn't bother me enough to correct them, it just kind of irks me out of wanting to talk about it.

Oh yes, I just remember the PERFFECT 'newbie'. I was at Turners and this is almost word for word what a guy was saying.

Newbie: "...so this is legal to own now?" *holding the Bushmaster carbon top loaded*
Turners: "Yeah. It has been modified so it is California legal."
Newbie: *random questions and eventually buys it. This is like mid January this year when the whole OLL thing is full swing*
Newbie: *gets on the phone* "Hey honey, remember that gun in the movies and video games I really like? Yeah well....I kind of bought one..." *more talking, me not paying attention*
Turners: "So is there anything else I can help you with? Ammo? Cleaning kit? Case?..."
Newbie: "Yeah....what's the type of gun in that movie 'Enemy at the Gates'?"
Turners: "Excuse me?"
Newbie: "'Enemy at the Gates'. Jude Law is in it."
Turners: "Oh, I don't know. I've never seen it."
Newbie: "He has this sniper rifle and he goes around killing everyone. It's ****ing bad ***."
Turners: ".....uhhh.....right. I don't know."
Newbie: "Ok, I'll ask around about it and buy it next time."

Yay for Hollywood, we have people thinking they can be some uber sniper by simply purchasing a surplus Mosin-Nagant.

[The Soup Nazi]

I originally wanted a Mosin Nagant M91/30 because it was the main Russian battle rifle, I was playing Red Orchestra Ostfront a lot, oh, and it happened to be in Enemy at the Gates. But then it hit me when I visited San Jose Gun Exchange.... I can get my dad to pay for a gun thats like 3 times more expensive while I'm still not an adult :D I plan on making the Mosin Nagant purchase as my second gun though.

[leelaw]

When they: http://www.lilithgallery.com/music/FearAmericans2-GunControl.wmv

Do everything in this video.

:mad: The whole thing pissed me off, but Lisa saying the Second Amendment is an outdated idea from the Revolutionaly Era which has no bearing today irked me like none other... I bet she wouldn't think the same about her prescious First Amendment.

Sad that cartoons are one of the ways kids are indoctrinated into the lefty bullcrap, and Lisa on The Simpsons is such a fine example of it.

[CALI-gula]

I belive you are referring to the Pederson Device that was used during WWI. Here are some sites that explain it alot better than I can.

Between 1998 and 2002 there was a company by the name of Sommer & Ockenfuss that made a semi-auto conversion for the Remington 700. Supposedly worked very well.

However....

They invested a lot of time and money into a failure: they produced a monolithic pump-action Bullpup rifle, which had 3, 5, or 10 round magazines that insert at the side of the butt of the gun, with an 8-lug locking bolt. It is a VERY well-made, highly accurate good-looking gun, with no levers or attachements, and hardly any raised surfaces of any kind. It literally looks like a long piece of aluminum, with a barrel sticking out and a pistol grip. They made it in calibers from .233 to .338 Lapua, with options of heavy barrels, threaded barrel ends, built-in bi-pod mounts with mono-pods rear mounts, and other funky options. The guns were very accurate, very durable, but way overpriced for their features (mainly non-semi-auto).

The company is no longer in the business of making guns - they retain their company name and exist as an entity, but have not built anything since 2003. They should have capitalized on the Rem 700 semi-auto conversion instead!

Unfortuantely, they did not sell very well. Who in the hell wants a pump action rifle with esoteric/gun specific magazines? They also should have built it to use mags already on the market for other guns.

Gimmicks with great accuracy, really - but that did not stop me!! I just thought they were unique, and the accuracy made up for the gimmick part. I have 2 of the "Marksmen" in .308, one heavy barrel in blue, the other heavy barrel in stainless, one in .30-06, and the other in .338 WinMag. Hey, they were CA legal, why not!

http://www.patricks-home.de/bullpup/so.html

http://www.sportingguns.com.au/images/15.jpg


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[rookie]

ME: How much gun experience do you have???
THEM: Does squirt gun experience count??
ME: :rolleyes:

--
John

[HkUSP45]

You know your a newbie, When you fire the last round. Slide lock back, You're still holding the gun pulling the trigger trying to fire the gun.

[joel1316]

"5. (This one is my friend) They load a 9mm live round into an airsoft gun, firing it, which causes the ejected casing to smash through a plaster wall and the plastic frame of the gun just cracks in half vertically"

I have to call BS on this one. 1) I can't see how you would chamber a round into a 6mm barrel. OK, he took out that actual inner barrel, I still say the bullet would not sit in the barrel properly. 2) On airsoft guns, when the hammer falls, the "firing pin" hits a valve on the magazine to release air, the "firing pin" is nowhere near the chamber.
Most airsoft guns made of metal are made of "pot metal" and would crumble into a million pieces if a live round were to go off. Not just split "vertically". I don't know everything in the world, but I don't belive this one :)

[zefflyn]

About Clips and mags....absolutely a magazine is what the proper name is...but for a long time the term """clip""" was/has been used for a Mag. But I guess not lately.

This is one of those things that some people get all riled up about, for no real good reason. My favorite online dictionary (http://www.dictionary.com) lists the definition of magazine and clip as such:

Magazine: A compartment in some types of firearms, often a small detachable box, in which cartridges are held to be fed into the firing chamber.

Clip: a metal frame or container holding cartridges; can be inserted into an automatic gun [syn: cartridge holder, cartridge clip, magazine]

For whatever reason, the uber-gun-nuts who love to be super specific have decided that ONLY a stripper-clip can be called a clip, and that internal and removable magazines MUST be called magazines.

The only time I'd bother making a stink about it is when discussing the broom-handle Mauser, in which you reload the magazine from a clip. :D

Yay for Hollywood, we have people thinking they can be some uber sniper by simply purchasing a surplus Mosin-Nagant.

Hey, different people collect firearms for different reasons. Who knows if he'll ever actually shoot his guns, but does that even matter?


On topic: You know someone is a gun newb when he or she asks lots of questions, and is open to instruction. Or, when the person puts the rounds in the clip backwards. :p

[ohsmily]

This is one of those things that some people get all riled up about, for no real good reason. My favorite online dictionary (http://www.dictionary.com) lists the definition of magazine and clip as such:

Magazine: A compartment in some types of firearms, often a small detachable box, in which cartridges are held to be fed into the firing chamber.

Clip: a metal frame or container holding cartridges; can be inserted into an automatic gun [syn: cartridge holder, cartridge clip, magazine]

For whatever reason, the uber-gun-nuts who love to be super specific have decided that ONLY a stripper-clip can be called a clip, and that internal and removable magazines MUST be called magazines.

The only time I'd bother making a stink about it is when discussing the broom-handle Mauser, in which you reload the magazine from a clip. :D



Dude, that is an abbreviated definition. That definition is correct, but omits an important fact...the CLIP is NOT a feeding device, it only holds the rounds, thats why it is referred to as a frame or container that only HOLDS the ammunition. A magazine both HOLDS the ammunition and also has a provision to FEED it. MAGAZINES have some sort of spring mechanism inside and follower inside them to feed. CLIPS merely hold ammunition (whether they are stripper clips or actual clips that are inserted).......get educated, clip is incorrect when referencing devices that are self contained holding and feeding devices.

So yes, you know a newb when they call it a clip.

[LOW2000]

You know someone is a gun noob when they don't own any guns and start a thread titled "You know someone is a gun newbie when..."

[zefflyn]

Dude, that is an abbreviated definition. That definition is correct, but omits an important fact...the CLIP is NOT a feeding device, it only holds the rounds, thats why it is referred to as a frame or container that only HOLDS the ammunition. A magazine both HOLDS the ammunition and also has a provision to FEED it. MAGAZINES have some sort of spring mechanism inside and follower inside them to feed. CLIPS merely hold ammunition (whether they are stripper clips or actual clips that are inserted).......get educated, clip is incorrect when referencing devices that are self contained holding and feeding devices.

:D You must be one of the uber-gun-nuts. :cool:

[Turbinator]

:D You must be one of the uber-gun-nuts. :cool:

Are you one of the noobs? :)

Turby

[blacklisted]

Personally, I think the whole magazine/clip conflict was started by the M1 Garand. It of course has an internal magazine, which is fed by a clip. However, the clip says inside the magazine until it is empty, then it is ejected. I think that caused a whole generation of shooters to use both clip and magazine to describe magazines (but clips could never be described as magazines!).

[superhondaz50]

correct me if i'm wrong but what a Garand uses is neither a clip or a magazine. It's a EN-BLOC.

[ohsmily]

correct me if i'm wrong but what a Garand uses is neither a clip or a magazine. It's a EN-BLOC.

OK, I will correct you. The Garand uses BOTH a clip and a magazine. Its an en-bloc CLIP that is inserted into the fixed MAGAZINE.

The United States Army wanted a fixed magazine that would be charged with clips, as they felt that a removable magazine would be prone to damage and loss. As a result, John Pedersen developed an "en-bloc" clip that allowed ammunition to be inserted from above, clip included, into the fixed magazine. Garand incorporated this "en-bloc" clip system into his design.

[CALI-gula]

Clip.... Magazine... Belt... Tube... Tround.... etc.

You know someone is a gun newb when they say "Semi-automatic revolver... errr... ummm, wait a cotton-pickin minute!!!!:

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Mateba_Model_6.jpg


http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Mateba_Model_6.htm

http://home.mweb.co.za/af/afadrb/mateba.html

Or ye old favorite...

http://www.pettsons.net/wbypics/hhcat_large.jpg


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[jdberger]

Heh, if they call it four pounds, I call it empty. 4.5lbs is the unloaded weight, 5.5 is the loaded weight if I recall... ;)

Gram...this is for YO!!!

From the State Press (ASU newspaper)

A 24-year-old Tempe man was arrested on the 120 block of East Fifth Street Thursday and charged with aggravated assault and disorderly conduct with a weapon. Police said the man allegedly shot another man one time in the left buttock with a .50-caliber Desert Eagle handgun after a physical altercation at the suspect's residence. The suspect reportedly fled on foot after shooting the victim.

Only in AZ are men MAN enough to keep running after a hit from a Deagle!!!

http://www.asuwebdevil.com/issues/2006/04/28/news/696913

[jdberger]

Personally, I think the whole magazine/clip conflict was started by the M1 Garand. It of course has an internal magazine, which is fed by a clip. However, the clip says inside the magazine until it is empty, then it is ejected. I think that caused a whole generation of shooters to use both clip and magazine to describe magazines (but clips could never be described as magazines!).

ya know... with the whole Off-List-Lower thing....clips are the new black........

BTW...when I use the words interchangeably and some artsy fartsy retrogeek decides that his existance isn't complete without correcting me ('cause seriously, I gotta be some kind of thalidomide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide) product), I gently, without any hostile intent respond, "Get _ _ _ _ _ _".

Have a nice day.

jdberger
Sanitation Engineer
(an you b*tches ain't betta no foggett it...)

[blacklisted]

Don't worry, I wouldn't correct someone (unless I have no idea what the hell they are saying, like: "yo man, you gotz the extra clipz fo dat glock foh-tay wit beamz". A lot of my family calls them clips. I still know what they mean.

ya know... with the whole Off-List-Lower thing....clips are the new black........

BTW...when I use the words interchangeably and some artsy fartsy retrogeek decides that his existance isn't complete without correcting me ('cause seriously, I gotta be some kind of thalidomide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide) product), I gently, without any hostile intent respond, "Get _ _ _ _ _ _".

Have a nice day.

jdberger
Sanitation Engineer
(an you b*tches ain't betta no foggett it...)

[jdberger]

Aha! Kids....Mr. Beam is a baaaad mannnnn. See what happens to a perfectly rational human being after he spends a couple of hours with him.