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haodoken
07-24-2010, 7:04 PM
Anyone have a red dot on their pistols? I saw that Leupold DeltaPoint Reflex Sight and said, "Hmmm...interesting proposition..." I also saw that article where there was a Docter red dot installed on a glock and thought that was pretty cool too. Besides the obvious disadvantages on not being able to use irons, and no available holsters. What advantages/disadvantages do you see? I do like being able to do the "both eyes open" sighting with a pistol though. :D

Opinions?

xibunkrlilkidsx
07-24-2010, 7:05 PM
co worker has one on his ruger 22lr pistol.

NewbieDave
07-24-2010, 7:20 PM
For recreational uses... red dot is fun on a pistol. It'll speed you up for sure once you get the hang of it. BUT on a combat pistol where your life depends on it, there's too many things that can go wrong, ie... dead batteries, broken laser, broker glass, etc.

~dpc

ojisan
07-24-2010, 7:47 PM
Every newb I take shooting likes this gun best.
Old school Tasco Red Dot, non-magnifying, small dot.
Good enough to hit shotgun hulls at 50+ yards.
The red dot makes for fast pickup and aiming...a must for competition in the open classes.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/ojisan420/P3020037-2.jpg
:)

RTE
07-24-2010, 8:41 PM
Yup
For recreational use...... red dots are fun on a pistols.
http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/gallery_imgs/1244660614/gallery_4554_28_9660.jpg

For HD or Personal defense
Open or Night sights would be the preference

Ok on a 1911 platform :D

Bobotheclown
07-24-2010, 8:59 PM
Got a sightron on my buckmark. Kind of heavy, but fun.

sootytom
07-24-2010, 9:12 PM
I've got 2 glocks g23,g27 with trijicon rmr rd's milled into the slides they both have buis also check this site for http://www.onesourcetactical.com/millpistolslidetoaccepttrijiconrmrsight-2.asp. I've been shooting with them for 2 months now HOLY CRAP I'LL NEVER GO BACK TO IRON SIGHTS .I shoot my rmr g27 more accurately then my g35 w/dawson per. sights, and I don't need reading glasses anymore . I've DG'd the last 2 pistol classes at front sight with my rmr glock. holsters aren't much of a problem bladetec,blackhawk owb or dale fricks on warrior talk iwb
my buddies at frontsight with iron sights all ***** that I'm cheating oh well I'll cheat to win the gun fight. guys use to ***** about rd's on rifles 10-15 yrs ago now who does'nt have a rd on their rifle TIMES ARE A CHANGING
$500 USED GLOCK+ $600 RMR RD PRICELESS

9mmepiphany
07-24-2010, 9:30 PM
I do like being able to do the "both eyes open" sighting with a pistol though.


don't you leave both eyes open when you shoot with iron sights?

the last red dot i tried was a Doctor sight on a S&W M-627. it took a bit of getting used to when run at speed because the dot was lower than i expected. they single plane sight alignment is very easy on the eyes

Revoman
07-24-2010, 10:02 PM
I know that this is technically not a pistola, but it works great on this revolver.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/mhearne/gun002.jpg

l8apex
07-24-2010, 10:03 PM
I would assume you are talking of a 'fighting pistol'. Had the chance to shoot a set up like what you are mentioning Glock / Red Dot, awesome although I already shoot with both eyes open unless a high precision shot is necessary.

Check here at warrior talk where Gabe Suarez gives the 'why' on this type of set up.

Warrior Talk Glock Red Dot (http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=63858)

faterikcartman
07-24-2010, 11:20 PM
I did this as a pimp your revolver gag for myself -- at first -- but everything seems to work great. It really feels like cheating as you pop everything into a fairly small group at 25 yards, offhand. If you are not particularly strong in the hands or arm this obviously may not be all that wieldy.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/faterikcartman/DSC_0230-1.jpg

elsolo
07-24-2010, 11:24 PM
Yeah, lots of people have red dots on their pistols.
Every "Open Division" shooter does, and they have many advantages.

You have several types to choose from:
Frame mounted, tube style (as shown above)
Frame mounted, tubeless (C-More is the most popular)
Slide mounted micro, such as the Dr. Optics

You really ought to try all three types before spending any money.
Find a local IPSC or steel match, you'll see all types and I guarantee somebody will offer to let you try their blaster if you ask them about it.

There are lots of holsters that work, but they are the race type not everyday carry.

They are best on pistols that have no muzzle flip, otherwise the dot disappears and (hopefully) reappears every shot. So .22's or compensated centerfire pistols.

If you put a Dr. on a service type centerfire pistol, you'll be looking for the dot after most shots which is no fun.

586L-Frame
07-24-2010, 11:51 PM
I have my Tasco Propoint from the 80's still running strong
and fun to shoot on my Ruger 22/45 5 1/2" Stainless Target Model.

I previously had it mounted on my S&W 6" 586 L-Frame .357 magnum.
586L-Frame

DLC’s MKIII 22/45 with ProPoint – Left-side.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff313/dlchan/Dsc07784e1.jpg

DLC’s MKIII 22/45 with ProPoint – Right-side.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff313/dlchan/Dsc07791mDLCsMKIII22_45wProPointGri.jpg

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1911Operator
07-25-2010, 12:05 AM
I really want one on my 1911. the only one I would get is the one made by Trijcon. its very small and compact. Also, it has a built in rear sight. so incase the glass broke in some freakish accident, you can still use the iron sights.

Toolbox X
07-25-2010, 12:13 AM
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r57/ilksurfer/FNP-45%20Tactical/w-DocterSight/7209805b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r57/ilksurfer/FNP-45%20Tactical/w-DocterSight/1f191261.jpg

586L-Frame
07-25-2010, 12:52 AM
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r57/ilksurfer/FNP-45%20Tactical/w-DocterSight/7209805b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r57/ilksurfer/FNP-45%20Tactical/w-DocterSight/1f191261.jpg

Wow!
What a Beauty.

WW2Buff
07-25-2010, 2:39 AM
Was waiting for that. ^^ Too bad for the list... -Ben

1911Operator
07-25-2010, 4:09 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=50834&d=1270026311

got one on theat 22a.. tack driver..

favorite for first time shootters..
nice collection!

patriot_man
07-25-2010, 5:46 AM
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/TSD-Advanced-Combat-Glock-Slide-Package.jpg

patriot_man
07-25-2010, 5:46 AM
http://www.onesourcetactical.com/images/products/detail/Package31.jpg

haodoken
07-25-2010, 6:50 AM
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/TSD-Advanced-Combat-Glock-Slide-Package.jpg

Awesome! Now that's what I'm talking about! Looks like a custom slide since red dot is integrated into slide. Is that yours? How much for a custom job like that? Drool, drool...:D

haodoken
07-25-2010, 6:55 AM
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r57/ilksurfer/FNP-45%20Tactical/w-DocterSight/7209805b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r57/ilksurfer/FNP-45%20Tactical/w-DocterSight/1f191261.jpg

Yes! Looks like a custom job though. Never seen one on a FNP before. Forget I said anything about not being able to use irons.

yasushi
07-25-2010, 7:27 AM
I've got a Burris Fastfire II on my kid's Buckmark and it's a blast to shoot. Used to have a Aimpont clone on it but it was too big and heavy. Burris is about the same size as the Doctor or Trijicon but a lot cheaper option.

cookmonsta
07-25-2010, 7:43 AM
Yes! Looks like a custom job though. Never seen one on a FNP before. Forget I said anything about not being able to use irons.

The FN tactical has the mount for red dot, but red dot is not included. All the stock pictures of the FN tactical for sale I've seen has that set up.

3GunFunShooter
07-25-2010, 8:13 AM
USPSA competition pistol shooters have been using red dots for years. They basically started the trend. Most use the C-More red dot set up. Damn, they are fast in action pistol shooting.

haodoken
07-25-2010, 11:12 AM
It seems like competition shooters and .22 plinkers have been using red dots for a while. I guess it's a natural progression for it to move from those specialized usages to having the red dots on combat/duty handguns. I was looking to see if I wanted to put one on my XD9 sub-compact for CCW. Red dots on a handgun seemed to be a good idea since you would get very good accuracy since you "own" all the bullets you fire and want to avoid collateral damage (i.e. stray/ricochet rounds into bystandards :eek:). Or would it make the handgun into a "range only/novelty" gun.

l8apex
07-25-2010, 11:19 AM
Red dots on a handgun seemed to be a good idea since you would get very good accuracy since you "own" all the bullets you fire and want to avoid collateral damage (i.e. stray/ricochet rounds into bystandards :eek:). Or would it make the handgun into a "range only/novelty" gun.

Accuracy and speed is a direct benefit of running the red dot. As far as being a novelty, I believe that it is the next step in sight systems. With that said, right now the red dot attached to the slide is in it's infancy stages however companies are taking notice and will probably develop a better product in the near future.

You can send your existing slide to Bowie Tactical (http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/) and have David mill your slide.

IrishPirate
07-25-2010, 11:19 AM
read an article in some gun mag about one that the author had put on his Glock. He had to have Caspian make a new slide so it would sit lower and he could use the regular sights if the red dot failed. It looked pretty sharp because it was really low profile. I think he said it worked no problem with his fobus holster too.

haodoken
07-25-2010, 11:32 AM
Accuracy and speed is a direct benefit of running the red dot. As far as being a novelty, I believe that it is the next step in sight systems. With that said, right now the red dot attached to the slide is in it's infancy stages however companies are taking notice and will probably develop a better product in the near future.

You can send your existing slide to Bowie Tactical (http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/) and have David mill your slide.

Went to the Bowie website. Wow! The work on the handguns to include red dots is awesome. They are running iron sights (rear sights) in front of the red dot as BUIS. Looks like a lot of $$$ it seems well worth it. Just wondering if there's gonna be enough real estate on my XD9 SC to accomplish that. :D

Check it out! http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/pictures.html

l8apex
07-25-2010, 11:49 AM
Went to the Bowie website. Wow! The work on the handguns to include red dots is awesome. They are running iron sights (rear sights) in front of the red dot as BUIS. Looks like a lot of $$$ it seems well worth it. Just wondering if there's gonna be enough real estate on my XD9 SC to accomplish that. :D

Check it out! http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/pictures.html

Excellent stuff, yeah the real estate may be an issue, but I'd shoot David and email to see if he can work something out. His work is one of the best in the industry.

elSquid
07-25-2010, 12:10 PM
I've got a red dot on an XD tactical using a Carver Hunter mount:

http://www.bb-enterprise.biz/Hunters4u.ivnu

It's fun, but this particular gun is a range toy.

The milled slide and Trijicon RMR is definitely the hot setup, and I want one too, but it certainly isn't cheap.

There are a number of threads on m4carbine on said configs:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=27243

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=49465

-- Michael

nn3453
07-25-2010, 12:24 PM
Red dots can be useful, especially for seniors and people with poor vision who can't readily see the front sight as well as in fast action shooting.

They are great for short range use and can improve split times and speed between shots. On the flip side, depending on the model, they can also be harder to acquire on the first shot. I am always quicker on my first shot with irons as opposed to red dots, but then again, I don't practice with the latter much.

Otherwise, in most cases, they are not necessary unless you are shooting fast action sports where red dots are legal. I don't buy that it makes you more accurate. If you hold your irons correctly, you can make shots up to 75-100yd. You can do it with a red dot, but you have to be a lot more careful (position the dot in a 6 o clock hold, the dot is usually 3-4 MOA so you have to position it under the target).

If you are thinking of buying one, please stay away from anything cheap if your gun has the slightest recoil. I've personally broken Tasco and Barska brands and I've seen a lot many others broken. A weaver scope may not be the top of the line but it might still be adequate. With red dots, if you put a cheaper one on a center fire gun it WILL fail. Only question is when.

As someone else mentioned, I always shoot with both eyes open unless it is a supposed to be a distant accuracy shot and sometimes even then I keep em both open.

Also hard to find holsters that will accommodate the gun.

Just my 2c.

BSlacker
07-25-2010, 12:34 PM
FN5.7 with JPoint.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1128723/FN57rocks.JPG

haodoken
07-25-2010, 9:59 PM
FN5.7 with JPoint.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1128723/FN57rocks.JPG

How does it shoot? How often do you have to re-zero?

BSlacker
07-25-2010, 10:12 PM
How does it shoot? How often do you have to re-zero?
It shoots fine. I have not had to re-zero at all. It has about 500 rounds fired. The mount is solidly attached to the metal of the slide. I made the mount. The base is pinned to the mount so the red dot can be removed and the slide cleaned without the plastic cover and then reinstalled without loss of zero. :)

vandal
07-25-2010, 10:15 PM
My G19 with Trijicon 8MOA RMR and suppressor sights.

I'm not very accustomed to it yet. It really helps to reveal poor trigger control. Increased accuracy, yes. As for increased speed, I'm not seeing it yet. I still look for the irons first to acquire the dot. It does help when shooting on the move -- easier to see where your POI will be.

With a 9mm I don't "lose the dot" during recoil, it stays in the window. Maybe with a .40 that would be an issue.

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/glock/IMG_5415-1.jpg

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/glock/IMG_5420.jpg

Malmon
07-25-2010, 10:35 PM
Here's mine, Burris on a para:
http://thebetasigmafraternity.net/1.JPG

haodoken
07-25-2010, 10:42 PM
Here's mine, Burris on a para:
http://thebetasigmafraternity.net/1.JPG

How do you like it? Now that you've done modded your para was it what you expected? does it help target acquistion? (sp?)

patriot_man
07-26-2010, 1:38 AM
Awesome! Now that's what I'm talking about! Looks like a custom slide since red dot is integrated into slide. Is that yours? How much for a custom job like that? Drool, drool...:D

Not mine but here!

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/millpistolslidetoaccepttrijiconrmrsight-2.aspx

Malmon
07-26-2010, 6:50 AM
How do you like it? Now that you've done modded your para was it what you expected? does it help target acquistion? (sp?)

Target acquisition is easier since you have both eyes open and its basically point and shoot. Regarding the red dot, initially had some issues with it but changed the battery and now its all good.

igorts
07-26-2010, 8:37 AM
here are mine:
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/igorts/techical/IMG_3723.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/igorts/techical/IMG_0694.jpg

zman
07-26-2010, 8:48 AM
I got two w/ red dots :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/zandrolouie/Guns/DSC_6216.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/zandrolouie/Guns/DSC_7635.jpg

sootytom
07-26-2010, 5:26 PM
Here you go a new sub forum on warrior talk PISTOLS WITH RE DOTS http://www.warriortalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=205 everything you want to know about carry/fighting pistols w/ rd NOT FOR RECREATION FOR SELF DEF.
you'll be seeing alot more of this in the future.I have 2 glocks with rmr red dots these are great for old eyes and amazing in low light conditions

cudakidd
07-26-2010, 5:47 PM
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo284/cudakidd/CIMG5368.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo284/cudakidd/CIMG4301.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo284/cudakidd/CIMG4298.jpg

I have played with almost all the Red Dots, Have Burris Fast fire, Jpoints, for small and Millet and Burris for large. I find without LOTS of practice harder to acquire then Iron sights. But as my eyes age at least I can see the red dots!;)

haodoken
08-04-2010, 9:59 PM
Here you go a new sub forum on warrior talk PISTOLS WITH RE DOTS http://www.warriortalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=205 everything you want to know about carry/fighting pistols w/ rd NOT FOR RECREATION FOR SELF DEF.
you'll be seeing alot more of this in the future.I have 2 glocks with rmr red dots these are great for old eyes and amazing in low light conditions

Cool! :D

Toast
08-05-2010, 2:05 AM
For recreational uses... red dot is fun on a pistol. It'll speed you up for sure once you get the hang of it. BUT on a combat pistol where your life depends on it, there's too many things that can go wrong, ie... dead batteries, broken laser, broker glass, etc.

~dpc

How is it any different then having a red dot on your "fighting" rifle? Pretty much every AR on this site has a red dot or other optic, and people look down on running just irons. I'd think it would be even more beneficial running a red dot on a pistol, since it points less naturally then a longarm.

Uriah02
08-05-2010, 2:08 AM
I'd say not being able to holster it and thus limiting it to be a house/range pistol is fairly substantial.

Toast
08-05-2010, 2:10 AM
It wouldn't be very difficult to modify or make a holster to fit, they're making ones now that will work if you have a light attached.