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stormy_clothing
07-23-2010, 10:20 AM
An investment company has hired Nokia Siemens Networks to build a hybrid 4G-satellite mobile network, called LightSquared, across the U.S. to go live next year.

Harbinger Capital Partners, which earlier this year acquired satellite phone service provider SkyTerra, announced on Tuesday it will pay NSN more than US$7 billion over eight years to design, build and operate the network. LightSquared will reach 92 percent of the U.S. population by 2015, the company said. It expects a commercial launch in the second half of 2011, according to the LightSquared website.

4G Essentials

Harbinger will not offer a service on the LightSquared network itself but will sell access to it on a wholesale basis, allowing for a variety of service providers that could include mobile carriers, cable operators, device makers, retailers and content creators. Those customers could offer any combination of 4G, satellite or both.

The rapidly growing demand for mobile broadband makes a new 4G network seem promising, especially if it can reach poorly served rural areas via satellite. But Harbinger's fully wholesale business model has never been tested on a national scale in the U.S., nor has the concept of combined cellular and satellite coverage.

Harbinger was founded in 2001 by Philip Falcone, described in the 2009 Forbes list of billionaires as a former junk-bond trader now worth $2.3 billion. Harbinger has contributed $2.9 billion of assets to the project and announced additional debt and equity financing of up to $1.75 billion. Sanjay Ahuja, former CEO of Orange Group, will lead the development and rollout of the network as chairman and CEO.

The deal announced Tuesday is still subject to approval by the boards of both NSN and LightSquared. NSN announced Monday it would acquire most of the assets of Motorola's cellular infrastructure business for approximately $1.2 billion.

The IDG News Service is a Network World affiliate.

windrider
07-23-2010, 10:38 AM
So in eight years att will be giving 4g which is already up and running on sprint, today.

I found a pic of it being built
http://www.iphonespies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/att_deathstar.jpg

Tacom
07-23-2010, 10:48 AM
Rofl @ the at&t picture.

bigmike82
07-23-2010, 11:21 AM
Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......

They're building out a completely new infrastructure using an entirely different spectrum than current cell-providers while also trying to tie in Satellite services. The CEO is hoping that this will be a destructive technology that'll displace the current providers.

Good. Friggin'. Luck.

stormy_clothing
07-23-2010, 1:28 PM
there not just selling Cell service there selling a worldwide data connection - isp's - direct gps theres alot of places LTE speed data available worldwide can go.

In case you missed it Sprint is on LTE, Verizon is headed to LTE this year and ATT when it can no longer milk HSDPA+ will be right in line - this is all about whose willing to pony up a relatively small amount to an instant coast to coast LTE/4g network connection

JDay
07-23-2010, 4:50 PM
This company is doomed to fail. For one thing satellite bandwidth is too expensive for the general population, ever look at the prices of satellite phones and services? Using one indoors is near impossible too.

jmlivingston
07-24-2010, 8:05 PM
Performance will be terrible, latency on current satellite internet access already makes some applications barely usable.

bigmike82
07-24-2010, 10:30 PM
"latency on current satellite internet access already makes some applications barely usable. "

You'd be surprised, actually. The 500ms of added latency is a pain in the butt, but you can get stuff like VPN, file-transfers and VoIP to work very, very well.

jmlivingston
07-25-2010, 5:41 AM
I've seen several installs where the RTT latency was consistently between 1200-1700 ms. Never ran voice, but Cisco VPN (to a 3015) was flaky.

sd_shooter
07-25-2010, 6:00 AM
I'll add another "meh."

Remember Globalstar? Iridium? I didn't think so....

Cnynrat
07-25-2010, 6:31 AM
I predict it will follow this scenario:

Step 1: Launch the birds and start the service.
Step 2: Endure several years of poor financial results.
Step 3: Write off all the capital investment costs in bankruptcy
Step 4: Salvage a much smaller business that eeks out a profit now that they have essentially free satellites.

Thus the pattern of Iridium and Globalstar will be repeated.

bigmike82
07-25-2010, 10:20 AM
"I've seen several installs where the RTT latency was consistently between 1200-1700 ms."
Over whose network, just out of curiosity? We provide service using Echostar and Newskies, and our latency is never above 550. If it is, there's something wrong.

You guys do realize Iridium is still very much an active network, right?

JDay
07-25-2010, 2:03 PM
You guys do realize Iridium is still very much an active network, right?

If the US military stopped using their services they'd die overnight.

bigmike82
07-25-2010, 4:01 PM
And your point is...?

jmlivingston
07-25-2010, 6:17 PM
"I've seen several installs where the RTT latency was consistently between 1200-1700 ms."
Over whose network, just out of curiosity? We provide service using Echostar and Newskies, and our latency is never above 550. If it is, there's something wrong.


DirecTV (aka HughesNet), on at least 2 different installs. Traceroutes showed major latency back through several different hops between the local router and their big network facility in Florida. Another thing I don't like about DirecTV's internet service is that they use RFC1918 IP addresses 10.0.0.0 addresses and http sessions are all run through a proxy.

It's been about 2 years since I was working on one of these last time, but it really sucked. My dad's PC was having problems and there was no way to get a VNC or RDP session directly into it. Had to work it backwords and have him initiate the VNC session back to me using the -listen option.

JDay
07-25-2010, 8:47 PM
And your point is...?

That satellite communications are too expensive for most people, i.e. this business plan will fail.

JDay
07-25-2010, 8:49 PM
It's been about 2 years since I was working on one of these last time, but it really sucked. My dad's PC was having problems and there was no way to get a VNC or RDP session directly into it. Had to work it backwords and have him initiate the VNC session back to me using the -listen option.

Never heard of TeamViewer?

http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx

nick
07-25-2010, 9:06 PM
That satellite communications are too expensive for most people, i.e. this business plan will fail.

http://consumer.hughesnet.com/plans.cfm

https://secure.skywayusa.com/customersignup/signup.php

http://www.wildblue.com/getWildblue/doServiceAvailabilitySearchAction.do

JDay
07-25-2010, 9:27 PM
http://consumer.hughesnet.com/plans.cfm

Look at those plans, even their most expensive plans daily transfer limit would be used up in under an hour at my house.

https://secure.skywayusa.com/customersignup/signup.php

Nice, I can signup for a service before knowing how expensive it is. Also, from looking at their site I can see that you need to plug their equipment into your phone line for upstream access, so you'll need to add in a second phone line.

http://www.wildblue.com/getWildblue/doServiceAvailabilitySearchAction.do

I get 12x the speed of their cheapest package currently for about the same price, no transfer cap either. Like I said, satellite communications are too expensive for most people. The only exception to this is satellite TV. None of these packages come close to the cost of using a satellite phone either, you can burn up $20 in minutes, literally.

jmlivingston
07-26-2010, 5:42 AM
Never heard of TeamViewer?

http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx


I have not heard of that one, I'll look into it. I've been using logmein for a while now and have been really happy with it.

John