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C_1
07-22-2010, 2:10 PM
My plan was to have one rifle for each of my family members for when SHTF or whatever. Right now, I have an AK rifle, an AK parts kit with receiver, one AR, and an AR complete lower but no upper.

It was basically going to be 2 AKs and 2 ARs. Requiring me to stock up on 2 different calibers and 2 different mags. Easy enough. But as my family members shot more and more, they didnt like the recoil of the AK but liked its simplicity. However, they all enjoy shooting the AR, but its a lil complicated..

So thats when I thought, how about I sell everything, and get a few AK74s. There's not much knock down power with the 5.45x39 round, but recoil is manageable, and practice is cheap. Plus its caveman simple and super reliable. I'll just stock up on a bunch of 1080rd ammo cans and 1 kind of mag.

I'll probably keep an AR because my brother is in the National Guard so he might want something he's familiar with. And Im sure AR parts, mags and ammo, will always be available. Was also thinking of getting a 308 bolt action with a scope to cover all my bases.

What do you guys think? Good move? Or am I over thinking it? Haha

*Edit: Not sure if this is in the correct sub forum. Mods, please move it if it isn't. Thanks.

rg_1111@yahoo.com
07-22-2010, 2:27 PM
Educate them on the take down of the ARs. Would be the easiest way to go.





However, they all enjoy shooting the AR, but its a lil complicated..

C_1
07-22-2010, 2:29 PM
I try to teach em about the AR but they say the AK is much easier (to operate, clear malfunctions, etc etc). They like the AR because of its ergonomics and the soft shooting 223 round.

But with the AK, they just basically rack the charging handle, when anything happens.. No levers or anything else to mess with.

bballwizard05
07-22-2010, 2:32 PM
AK AK AK AK!! :) or you could get saiga's in 223. Still virtually no kick compared to regular AK's and more power than a 5.45 eh?

C_1
07-22-2010, 2:54 PM
An AK in 223 would be nice but mags are not very common.

Rob454
07-22-2010, 2:55 PM
I agree. Go with a 223 saiga. This way you are only stocking one kind of ammo for different guns. Im rethinking my whole SHTF armament. Unfortunately I dont really care if my neighbors or friends are unarmed. ( most of them are and the ones that aren't are jsut people I know) Im worried about me and my family first and foremost. Everyone else can be a ally and I will help and wont leave them in the dust but im not gonna be a ammo and food depo for everyone I meet. If SHTF whatever guns I do not need I will trade for more ammo or food etc.

An AK in 223 would be nice but mags are not very common.

Can a 5.45 mag be modified to work with 223? i cant imagine the physical size of the bullet and casing be that different.

bballwizard05
07-22-2010, 2:58 PM
True about the uncommon mags, however if your going to convert them, the extra 30$ for the standard AK mag kit is well worth it. Even if you dont fully convert them, you can get the mag kits and exchange a few parts to make it compliant. Those 223 saiga's have such a small kick!

C_1
07-22-2010, 3:01 PM
Using 74 mags for 223 dont seem far fetched but I dont know anything about that. I have thought about an AR mag adapter for the 223 Saiga but I wonder about reliability..

bballwizard05
07-22-2010, 3:05 PM
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_223/saiga_223.html

I've looked into the AR adapter, but it requires more work and gunsmithing and I too would question the reliability. However you can install these bullet guides, and do some simple grinding and can use 74 mags, however doing this requires you to comply with 922r. But with a few American parts your gtg.

C_1
07-22-2010, 3:17 PM
I know about bullet guides but can you tell me more about 74 mags and 223 Saigas?

But the Saiga AR mag adapter from RenegadeBuck is 'better.'

bballwizard05
07-22-2010, 3:20 PM
if you try one of the AR mag adapters and you think it works reliably than go for it. I have no first hand experience with the 74 mags and 223 saigas. However I'm sure 69mach1 can help you out there.

sevensix2x51
07-22-2010, 3:52 PM
i would stick with the domestics, but thats just me. 90% of ar15 failures can be cleared by racking the charging handle, at least the ones ive seen... at the end of the day, its your choice. but i find comfort in the fact that .223 is on the shelf at walmart and all my local gun shops, at all times.

C_1
07-22-2010, 4:04 PM
An AK in 223 that takes AR mags would be cool. And I've read that the RB adapter requires less machining/milling/cutting/dremeling. But I dont really want to mess with the adapter.

Yeah, Im thinking thats the biggest con of the AK74, ammo availability. I would basically have to order everything online unless some ammo manufacturers start making some 5.45x39.

comblock
07-22-2010, 4:08 PM
An ak kicks?

sd_shooter
07-22-2010, 4:23 PM
I love these SHTF threads! :D (I think I even started one...)

I don't think it's worth it to sell your collection just to arm everyone with the same rifle. I mean, you're not going to be like this:

http://exeter-arms.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/swat-team-at-abraxas_145001.71114306_std.jpg

Just get your family trained to shoot the guns you have an make sure to stock a little extra ammo for each.

C_1
07-22-2010, 4:25 PM
An ak kicks?

Referring to recoil.

I do OK with the 762x39 round, but for 1-2 of my family members, an AK47 with a metal stock buttplate, gets unpleasant to shoot after a while.


I love these SHTF threads! :D (I think I even started one...)

I don't think it's worth it to sell your collection just to arm everyone with the same rifle...

Just get your family trained to shoot the guns you have an make sure to stock a little extra ammo for each.

:) I know, the likeliness of a SHTF scenario is very, very slim. But it doesnt hurt to be prepared. I just started my small collection so I dont think its too late to switch..

Full Clip
07-22-2010, 4:33 PM
The 5.45x39 ammo for the 74s is all imported. If that ever dries up, you're toast.
Stick with .223. — sell the AKs, get two Saigas and keep the ARs as well.

1lostinspace
07-22-2010, 4:46 PM
5.45x39 FMJ is far worse then 7.62x39 FMJ do to yaw, the 5.45 with has almost tumbled twice to the 7.62x39 have not tumbling until about to exit the body. I would load Soft Points in the 7.62x39 and make a huge mess, then your talking stopping power

C_1
07-22-2010, 5:30 PM
The 5.45x39 ammo for the 74s is all imported. If that ever dries up, you're toast.
Stick with .223. sell the AKs, get two Saigas and keep the ARs as well.

Yeah, that is what I fear most if I got with the 74, ammo drying up. And thats one of the reason why I wanted to keep at least one AR, parts/ammo are everywhere.

C_1
07-22-2010, 7:25 PM
5.45x39 FMJ is far worse then 7.62x39 FMJ do to yaw, the 5.45 with has almost tumbled twice to the 7.62x39 have not tumbling until about to exit the body. I would load Soft Points in the 7.62x39 and make a huge mess, then your talking stopping power

I have a small assortment of ammo. One of them should do the job. I do have SPs too.

But isnt the 5.45 suppose to tumble when hitting flesh making it a great anti personel round? Poison bullets, they're called..

vantec08
07-23-2010, 8:23 AM
The AK74 is what the M16 should have been.

ren
07-23-2010, 10:43 AM
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TURBOELKY
07-23-2010, 12:32 PM
Yes, as mentioned above, the 5.45x39 is super deadly to flesh. They are VERY accurate compared to the 7.62x39 (although AK's are VERY accurate unless they are shot by bad shooters....PERIOD) and the ammo is dirt cheap. I dont see 5.45 drying up anytime soon, as its going (or already is?) to be adopted as a NATO round? The ak-74 were basically a replacement for the 47, and there are millions of them out there, Russia will continue to make the ammo. .223 is a great shooter too though. I dont think I'd sell anything in your situation, just add to my collection:D
If you need stopping power for home protection, get a 12 gauge with buck shot....:43:

C_1
07-23-2010, 6:57 PM
Im sure the Russians and a few other countries are still going to make 5.45x39 because they have AK74s as their service rifle. It would suck to switch then there was some kind of ammo import band. I think I wont sell any of my guns, yet, and get an AK74 and see how it goes.. Thanks for your input everybody.

xibunkrlilkidsx
07-23-2010, 8:59 PM
AR in 762x39? Ar is not that complicated jesus.

WTSGDYBBR
07-23-2010, 9:40 PM
Stay with the AK you could do a back flip in your pool run at the beach roll in the sand and still fire it off.

C_1
07-23-2010, 9:48 PM
AR in 762x39? Ar is not that complicated jesus.

Ha ha. When compared to an AK, and with non gun people, it could be. But an AR in 762x39 is exactly what Im not looking for :)


Stay with the AK you could do a back flip in your pool run at the beach roll in the sand and still fire it off.

Haha. Sounds fun!

Rhythm of Life
07-23-2010, 9:49 PM
AR in 762x39? Ar is not that complicated jesus.

How did you come up with a rifle with the unfavored platform and round?

C_1
07-24-2010, 12:40 PM
How did you come up with a rifle with the unfavored platform and round?

Exactly what I was thinking :)

Well guys, Im getting a Bulgy AKS-74 soon, and we'll see how the family likes it. Thanks everybody for your input.

Czechsix
07-24-2010, 12:59 PM
I love these SHTF threads! :D (I think I even started one...)

I don't think it's worth it to sell your collection just to arm everyone with the same rifle. I mean, you're not going to be like this:

http://exeter-arms.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/swat-team-at-abraxas_145001.71114306_std.jpg
...

Damn, how come only one guy gets a mag?

I mean, budget cuts are one thing, but geez.....

how's that for a thread change? muaahahahhaahahahHA

Sam
07-25-2010, 9:27 AM
Damn, how come only one guy gets a mag?

I mean, budget cuts are one thing, but geez.....

how's that for a thread change? muaahahahhaahahahHA

I was thinking the same thing. All show and no go I guess.

Shady
07-25-2010, 9:40 AM
I have 74s for the baby an baby momma
and 3 47s for when we run out of 545
and a saiga 308 for the longer range stuff

I got rid of my ARs because I dont like cleaning them

Lucky Scott
07-25-2010, 9:42 AM
Why not just put a 2 inch recoil pad on the AK's?

C_1
07-26-2010, 1:27 PM
Damn, how come only one guy gets a mag?

I mean, budget cuts are one thing, but geez.....

how's that for a thread change? muaahahahhaahahahHA

I was thinking the same thing. All show and no go I guess.

Ha ha. I didnt even notice that. Kinda stopped looking when I saw orange/red on the tip :)


I have 74s for the baby an baby momma
and 3 47s for when we run out of 545
and a saiga 308 for the longer range stuff

I got rid of my ARs because I dont like cleaning them

I dont like cleaning guns either, especially ARs, but I think I'll keep at least one. Looks like a pretty sweet setup. All you need now is a Saiga 12 :)


Why not just put a 2 inch recoil pad on the AK's?

We have tried the AK grenade launching recoil pad, but they dont like the added length. Anybody know if a Limbsaver will slip over the AK stock?

Serbian
09-13-2010, 2:48 PM
Ill take one of the AKs, im in San Diego!! PM me

ZX-10R
09-13-2010, 3:00 PM
Have them all. No need to be tied to any one gun. Even I like my Daniel Defense but like my PSL and AK more...However, the DD will fit a role for sure.

HotRails
09-13-2010, 8:53 PM
In the (highly unlikely) SHTF scenario, .223 would be the most available since this would be what military and LEO would be using. Having the AK platform in .223 would eliminate the complexity/maintainence issues of the AR you speak of. The chances of a protracted SHTF scenario happening within our lifetimes is almost so miniscule that it doesn't merit consideration. Enjoy the firearms your budget can support.

SJgunguy24
09-13-2010, 9:16 PM
FAIL!!!

Saiga 223 with AR mag well

Juice5610
09-14-2010, 9:25 AM
I went with the AK. I went from this

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af349/Juice5610/23.jpg


To this as my primary go to rifle and I will never look back.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af349/Juice5610/ArsenalAK473.jpg

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af349/Juice5610/ArsenalAK472.jpg

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af349/Juice5610/ArsenalAK474.jpg