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Shady
07-20-2010, 4:11 PM
I bought a g19 for the wife

these rounds sure are TINY

NiteQwill
07-20-2010, 4:47 PM
They'll penetrate deeper though. And cheap to shoot with.

I'm a .45 fan myself. :)

Synergy
07-20-2010, 4:58 PM
I bought a g19 for the wife

I rest my case! (I actually had this pic before your post, coincidence its a G19 for your wife)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/Icemedic/Forum%20Junk/9mm.jpg

professorhard
07-20-2010, 5:01 PM
Cool story, bro.

paul0660
07-20-2010, 5:09 PM
9mm hollow points puff up quite nicely, and more reliably, than .45s that can't even reach the speed of freaking sound.

UserM4
07-20-2010, 5:10 PM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2295/hstj.jpg

Doesn't look that bad to me. Modern ammo /thread

paul0660
07-20-2010, 5:13 PM
Exactly, M4.

halo6941
07-20-2010, 5:26 PM
so me an the buddy went to the range cuz he wanted to test out a 9mm and my .45 turns out he likes the 9mm more, says he wants his wife to be able to shoot it if needed which i agree with, so I shot it and well I never picked up a 9mm agian.

orangeusa
07-20-2010, 5:32 PM
9mm agian ???

Shady
07-20-2010, 5:35 PM
I picked up a few boxs of federal hydrashock
I hear those puff out nicely

orangeusa
07-20-2010, 5:44 PM
I've got some of the one shot stop data, and although assumes a perfect shot - the biggest shocker is that 9mm/.40/.45 are not that effective unless using an expanding bullet... Once using an expanding bullet, they are pretty close - surprisingly. And I have 9mm, .40 and .45 so have no calibre wars to fight... (.22 and .25 but those are for fun..)

CalNRA
07-20-2010, 5:55 PM
oh yay another 9mm vs. 45 thread.

Try to somehow work this into a Glock vs 1911 thread since the G19 is already involved.

orangeusa
07-20-2010, 6:13 PM
Yeah, I get deja vu about 5 threads - I'm sure there are hundreds.

Ripping on LGS - price, apathy
Calibre Wars
Buying / Selling on CG wrt flakes
Gun A vs. Gun B
"I built my first AR today" - arghgghhg

.

Peter W Bush
07-20-2010, 7:24 PM
LOL you bought a glock? The way the grip is angled and the construction of the polymer frame will cause the 9mm bullets to exit the muzzle too slowly to allow for reliable expansion. You should have bought a Colt (all others are copies) 1911 (in .45 ACP, to do otherwise would be blasphemy) and trained your wife how to use it. I've seen a crook get hit with 25 9mm bullets from a POS Kimber 9mm (it kept jamming)and still keep fighting. Another guy hit the crook with 1 .45 our of a REAL 1911 and he dropped instantly. True story.

There. Now its 9mm vs 45 AND glock vs 1911 AND a Kimber bashing thread :43:

Brianguy
07-20-2010, 7:28 PM
Don't listen to these haters. Rock out with your Glock out!

orangeusa
07-20-2010, 7:30 PM
Glocks go through X-Rays at airports I was told... The all-plastic gun.

If you shoot a guy in the thumb with a .45, it'll knock him down.

I've hear of 9mm rounds bouncing off guys foreheads.

gotime
07-20-2010, 7:39 PM
Where's the guy who shot a rock with a 9mm? His entire case for why he never bought a 9mm gun was that when he was young he shot at a rock with a 9mm and it didn't explode. :rolleyes:

slyMon
07-20-2010, 8:28 PM
LOL you bought a glock? The way the grip is angled and the construction of the polymer frame will cause the 9mm bullets to exit the muzzle too slowly to allow for reliable expansion. You should have bought a Colt (all others are copies) 1911 (in .45 ACP, to do otherwise would be blasphemy) and trained your wife how to use it. I've seen a crook get hit with 25 9mm bullets from a POS Kimber 9mm (it kept jamming)and still keep fighting. Another guy hit the crook with 1 .45 our of a REAL 1911 and he dropped instantly. True story.

There. Now its 9mm vs 45 AND glock vs 1911 AND a Kimber bashing thread :43:

:punk: :rofl: :rockon: :rofl: :punk:

<Limited to 6 smilies?>

1911su16b870
07-20-2010, 8:32 PM
Aw Jeez...not this stuff again...

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2010/7/17/634149586268563300-ForumNecromancy.jpg

Placement, Placement, Placement...shoot the biggest caliber you can place accurately under stress.

RobG
07-20-2010, 8:35 PM
Let's somehow work in the inevitable SHTF. 9 mm will be easier to pick up since the military uses it if SHTF. There, that wasn't so hard:43:

Freagan
07-20-2010, 8:35 PM
Where's the guy who shot a rock with a 9mm? His entire case for why he never bought a 9mm gun was that when he was young he shot at a rock with a 9mm and it didn't explode. :rolleyes:

HAHAHA this! I forgot all about that! :rofl:

ETD1010
07-20-2010, 9:17 PM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2295/hstj.jpg

Doesn't look that bad to me. Modern ammo /thread


/thread

ryno066
07-20-2010, 9:20 PM
LOL you bought a glock? The way the grip is angled and the construction of the polymer frame will cause the 9mm bullets to exit the muzzle too slowly to allow for reliable expansion. You should have bought a Colt (all others are copies) 1911 (in .45 ACP, to do otherwise would be blasphemy) and trained your wife how to use it. I've seen a crook get hit with 25 9mm bullets from a POS Kimber 9mm (it kept jamming)and still keep fighting. Another guy hit the crook with 1 .45 our of a REAL 1911 and he dropped instantly. True story.

There. Now its 9mm vs 45 AND glock vs 1911 AND a Kimber bashing thread :43:

BS just BS

Peter W Bush
07-20-2010, 9:27 PM
BS just BS

Noo it's true. Another time, a guy got hit square in the nose with a 9mm out of a glock and just went through one nostril and was caught on its way out. It looked more like a bad ear piercing than a gunshot. 5 seconds later, the perp was hit with a .45 in the shoulder and his arm flew off. The next shot (45, of course) landed in his cheek and blew his head into tiny pieces. I saw it with my own eyes. Well, my friend did. Trust me, I'm from the internet.

Chester
07-20-2010, 9:31 PM
God damn 1911's... I swear they're like Mac's and Mac fanboys.

Here. This thread (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant) puts it into perspective better than I can at the moment. Just replace the word "Mac" with "1911" or ".45" and there you go!

RobG
07-20-2010, 9:32 PM
At least the OP didn't buy the Glock in .40. All Glock fotays are known to explode.

orangeusa
07-20-2010, 10:15 PM
You left out trigger sting in .40 cal guns - but that's if they don't explode.

More importantly we need to bring up whats in your BOB, Hi-Cap magazines, bullet buttons, building your first AR, favorite MRE and Walmart!!! Don't forget Beretta slides exploding in your face and hmm... seems to cover all topics in one exciting thread.

And I've seen .38's bounce off windshields. Seriously, I was there.

RobG
07-20-2010, 10:33 PM
AR vs. AK?

orangeusa
07-20-2010, 10:43 PM
Good point. How about .22LR ARs?

I dont' think we need to go as far as saying something about the previous poster??

Hi-Cap Tube magazines?

Best place for breakfast?

Group 4
07-20-2010, 11:09 PM
Which Glock is best for Metal?

7x57
07-20-2010, 11:15 PM
A careful study of Calguns shows that the *important* question about Glock vs. 1911 is which looks better when held by a girl in a bikini.

7x57

The Director
07-21-2010, 7:32 AM
This is such an old, tired, dead debate.

























'Cause 9mm rules.

Fate
07-21-2010, 7:39 AM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2295/hstj.jpg

Doesn't look that bad to me. Modern ammo /thread
Well lookit that, .45 IS bigger! Hahaha.

Untamed1972
07-21-2010, 7:44 AM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2295/hstj.jpg

Doesn't look that bad to me. Modern ammo /thread

But dont you know that the extra 8/100ths of an inch on that .45 round means the difference between being able to shrug off the 9mm hit like it was a BB and blowing that guy off his feet and sending him flying thru air to land 6-8ft from where he was standing? It's true.....I've seen it in movies! :rolleyes:

winnre
07-21-2010, 7:45 AM
9mm is supersonic. 45 can be silenced.

Untamed1972
07-21-2010, 7:49 AM
Well lookit that, .45 IS bigger! Hahaha.

Yeah....a whopping 8/100ths of an inch.....and 2 sheets of paper is thicker than 1 sheet of paper.


I wish this tired 9mm vs. .45 could be solved once and for all. I suggest if the .45 lovers so firmly believe in the true ineffectiveness of the 9mm round....then one of them should man-up and volunteer to take a couple of 9mm rounds center-mass and prove it!

Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?

:gene:

trickyvic
07-21-2010, 8:18 AM
Noo it's true. Another time, a guy got hit square in the nose with a 9mm out of a glock and just went through one nostril and was caught on its way out. It looked more like a bad ear piercing than a gunshot. 5 seconds later, the perp was hit with a .45 in the shoulder and his arm flew off. The next shot (45, of course) landed in his cheek and blew his head into tiny pieces. I saw it with my own eyes. Well, my friend did. Trust me, I'm from the internet.

:D:rofl:

winnre
07-21-2010, 8:30 AM
From the ballistic gel results I have seen, 10mm whips them both.

7x57
07-21-2010, 8:34 AM
From the ballistic gel results I have seen, 10mm whips them both.

I guess it's time to start talking about revolvers, then. :D

7x57

UserM4
07-21-2010, 8:41 AM
Just because it's pictured next to it's bigger brother, don't mistake the fact that the Federal HST 147gr 9mm expands larger than a lot of other .45ACP out in the market.

RobG
07-21-2010, 8:57 AM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2295/hstj.jpg

Doesn't look that bad to me. Modern ammo /thread

Yep, the pic finally shows once and for all... that the .45 expands more and therefore creates a larger wound cavity. Thank goodness this debate can now be closed:D

ETD1010
07-21-2010, 8:58 AM
Just because it's pictured next to it's bigger brother, don't mistake the fact that the Federal HST 147gr 9mm expands larger than a lot of other .45ACP out in the market.

That's because HST bullets are the !@&#^%!@&#^%. I LOVE them. I have them for the wife's 92, and my 228. . .

Sam
07-21-2010, 11:35 AM
Yeah....a whopping 8/100ths of an inch.....and 2 sheets of paper is thicker than 1 sheet of paper.


I wish this tired 9mm vs. .45 could be solved once and for all. I suggest if the .45 lovers so firmly believe in the true ineffectiveness of the 9mm round....then one of them should man-up and volunteer to take a couple of 9mm rounds center-mass and prove it!

Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?

:gene:

Great argument...you've won me over...

twotap
07-21-2010, 12:01 PM
AR vs. AK?

Pancakes vs eggs and bacon

RobG
07-21-2010, 12:43 PM
Pancakes vs eggs and bacon

Pancakes and bacon. No eggs, they tear up my gut.

k1dude
07-21-2010, 12:53 PM
Glocks go through X-Rays at airports I was told... The all-plastic gun.

If you shoot a guy in the thumb with a .45, it'll knock him down.

I've hear of 9mm rounds bouncing off guys foreheads.

LOL!

CalNRA
07-21-2010, 3:35 PM
But dont you know that the extra 8/100ths of an inch on that .45 round means the difference between being able to shrug off the 9mm hit like it was a BB and blowing that guy off his feet and sending him flying thru air to land 6-8ft from where he was standing? It's true.....I've seen it in movies! :rolleyes:

Yeah....a whopping 8/100ths of an inch.....and 2 sheets of paper is thicker than 1 sheet of paper.


I wish this tired 9mm vs. .45 could be solved once and for all. I suggest if the .45 lovers so firmly believe in the true ineffectiveness of the 9mm round....then one of them should man-up and volunteer to take a couple of 9mm rounds center-mass and prove it!


yeah!! who cares about the whole 147 grain versus 230 grain thing.

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 8:46 AM
yeah!! who cares about the whole 147 grain versus 230 grain thing.

(Editted for misplaced decimal)

1 ounce = 43.75 grains

230-147 = 83 / 43.75 = 0.1897 ounces difference in weight. (for reference a US nickle weights .2 ounces)

So are you saying that the extra weight that amounts to the weight of a nickle is going to make the difference between ineffective and knocking someone off their feet?

Data for Speer Gold Dot hollowpoints:

...........................Muzzle Velocity (F.P.S.)....Muzzle Energy (Ft.-lbs.)
9 mm Luger 147gr....985..............................326
9 mm Luger 124gr....1150.............................364
.45 Auto 230gr........890..............................405
.45 Auto 185gr........1,050...........................453

And your point is?

Looking at the data it actually appears you're better off with the lighter weight bullets in both calibers....more velocity and muzzle energy.

Look at the data chart here http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/speer-gold-dot-9-mm-luger-147-gr-gdhp-20-rds.aspx?a=408080
It actually shows that .40 S&W beats 9mm & .45 in both velocity and muzzle energy.

Double_D
07-22-2010, 11:32 AM
Glocks go through X-Rays at airports I was told... The all-plastic gun.

If you shoot a guy in the thumb with a .45, it'll knock him down.

I've hear of 9mm rounds bouncing off guys foreheads.

LMAO :rofl2:

elSquid
07-22-2010, 12:12 PM
1 ounce = 43.75 grains

230-147 = 83 / 43.75 = 1.897 ounces difference in weight.



You have a decimal point problem: 1 ounce is 437.5 grains.

7000 grains in a pound, 16 ounces in a pound. 7000/16 = 437.5

-- Michael

CalNRA
07-22-2010, 2:37 PM
And your point is?

Looking at the data it actually appears you're better off with the lighter weight bullets in both calibers....more velocity and muzzle energy.

I'm pretty sure that wounding characteristics are a little more complex than just velocity and energy. But hey, numbers are numbers, eh?

Look at the data chart here http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/speer-gold-dot-9-mm-luger-147-gr-gdhp-20-rds.aspx?a=408080
It actually shows that .40 S&W beats 9mm & .45 in both velocity and muzzle energy.

And .40 operates at a higher pressure then 9mm and much higher pressure than the .45.

A subcompact in 9 or .45 is way more pleasant to shoot than a subcompact in .40.





Since you are so good with numbers on Gold Dot loads, feel free to check out the capabilties of .45 by checking out DoubleTap's website.

stormy_clothing
07-22-2010, 2:58 PM
what the number dont show is what happens when a flat 9mm bullet like a 147gr wc ranger does compared to a lighter bullet with a ball shape, or what happens when a bigger bullet hits at a slightly slower less powerful impact - but let me just say that surface area wins all ties.

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 3:07 PM
I'm pretty sure that wounding characteristics are a little more complex than just velocity and energy. But hey, numbers are numbers, eh?


Everything about a firearm that makes it work is about physics.....yet you're saying "But hey, numbers are numbers, eh". Numbers are physics. So you would prefer to base your opinions what....astrology?

I've seen the balistics gel comparisons of wound channels with different kinds of ammo......there isn't a whole lot of difference. And I'm pretty sure velocity of energy are pretty big factors. It's like comparing getting hit by a Mack truck moving 1mph and a Honda moving at 50mph. Which is gonna do more damage to you? Just cuz one is bigger and has more mass doesn't mean anything if it's barely moving. Mass has potential energy....mass+velocity has kinectic energy. The numbers I posted show that the kinetic energy is nearly the same.

So would you like to volunteer to take a couple of rounds to prove how those "numbers are just numbers"?

CalNRA
07-22-2010, 3:10 PM
So you would prefer to base your opinions what?

I've seen the balistics gell comparisons of wound channels with different kinds of ammo......there isn't a whole lot of difference. And I'm pretty sure velocity of energy are pretty big factors. It's like comparing getting hit by a Mack truck moving 1mph and a Honda moving at 50mph. Which is gonna do more damage to you? Just cuz one is bigger and has more mass doesn't mean anything if it's barely moving. Mass has potential energy....mass+velocity has kinectic energy. The numbers I posted show that the kinetic energy is nearly the same.

check out DoubleTap's load data and then we can talk about all these fun numbers.

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 3:25 PM
check out DoubleTap's load data and then we can talk about all these fun numbers.


Provide a chart or link and I'll go look at it. I was just using golddot as an example. If you have better numbers post them like I did. I'm not really in the mood to get into a who has a bigger brain or thinks they know it all debate. I was sharing info that I found with some data to back it up. If you have something different to share go right ahead, but do skip the blustering and chest huffing if you dont mind.


Again my challenge is "who is willing to take a couple of 9mm JHPs to the chest and prove once and for all they are as worthless as many claim"?

CalNRA
07-22-2010, 3:28 PM
Provide a chart or link and I'll go look at it. I was just using golddot as an example. If you have better numbers post them like I did. I'm not really in the mood to get into a who has a bigger brain or thinks they know it all debate. I was sharing info that I found with some data to back it up. If you have something different to share go right ahead, but do skip the blustering and chest huffing if you dont mind.


www.doubletapammo.com

I'm sure you are perfectly capable of looking under .45 acp section.


Again my challenge is "who is willing to take a couple of 9mm JHPs to the chest and prove once and for all they are as worthless as many claim"?
:rofl:

Chester
07-22-2010, 3:29 PM
Data for M56A3/A4 HEI:

...........................Muzzle Velocity (F.P.S.)....Muzzle Energy (Ft.-lbs.)
20 × 102 mm M56A3/A4 HEI 1543gr....3,380..............................743.6
9 mm Luger 124gr............................1150............. ..................364
.45 Auto 230gr................................890.......... ......................405
.45 Auto 185gr................................1,050........ ......................453

As you can clearly see, the 20mm Vulcan has significantly more muzzle energy that both the 9mm and the 45, HOWEVER, given the 45's superior energy displacement, I once saw a guy get hit in the face with a barrage of 20mm and the ones he couldn't dodge, he was able to catch in his bare hands. But then someone shot at him with their 1911 and even though the bullet missed by 10 feet, half of his head blew clean off.

CalNRA
07-22-2010, 3:32 PM
Data for M56A3/A4 HEI:

...........................Muzzle Velocity (F.P.S.)....Muzzle Energy (Ft.-lbs.)
20 × 102 mm M56A3/A4 HEI 1543gr....3,380..............................743.6
9 mm Luger 124gr............................1150............. ..................364
.45 Auto 230gr................................890.......... ......................405
.45 Auto 185gr................................1,050........ ......................453

As you can clearly see, the 20mm Vulcan has significantly more muzzle energy that both the 9mm and the 45, HOWEVER, given the 45's superior energy displacement, I once saw a guy get hit in the face with a barrage of 20mm and the ones he couldn't dodge, he was able to catch in his bare hands. But then someone shot at him with their 1911 and even though the bullet missed by 10 feet, half of his head blew clean off.

alright, my 9mm gets 1/2 the muzzle energy of a 20mm round. That's a lot power for a subcompact.

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 3:32 PM
From Doubletap website:


Caliber : 9mm+P

Bullet : Bonded Defense JHP

Ballistics : 147gr @ 1135fps / 421ft. lbs. from a G17.
Glock 19 velocity - 1120fps.

Caliber : .45ACP

Bullet : 230gr. Controlled Expansion JHP

Ballistics : 1010fps/ 521 ft./lbs. - 5" 1911


Your point is? It's showing about the same thing.

CalNRA
07-22-2010, 3:34 PM
From Doubletap website:



Your point is? It's showing about the same thing.

your lack of ability to click the first 45 auto listing is astounding. And your assertion that 421 is about the same as 521 really adds credibility to your proficiency with numbers.

Caliber : .45ACP

Bullet : 185gr. Nosler JHP

Ballistics : 1225fps - 616 ft./lbs. - 5" 1911

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 3:34 PM
www.doubletapammo.com

I'm sure you are perfectly capable of looking under .45 acp section.



:rofl:


And you're perfectly capable of posting it instead of being a retard....but since you can't seem to do it I did it for you.....but I'm still not getting your point. You said you had one for me if I checked out the numbers....so...whats your point?

Maltese Falcon
07-22-2010, 3:36 PM
I guess it's time to start talking about revolvers, then. :D

7x57


Sounds good. Combine S&W 325 Thunder Ranch (45 ACP) with:

Hornady TAP Personal Defense Ammunition 45 ACP +P 200 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point

Ballistics Information:

Muzzle Velocity: 1055 fps

Muzzle Energy: 494 ft. lbs.

I think that will do quite nicely. ;)

.

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 3:37 PM
your lack of ability to click the first 45 auto listing is astounding. And your assertion that 421 is about the same as 521 really adds credibility to your proficiency with numbers.


You inability to compare like with like is even more astounding. My earlier postings were comparing 147gr 9mm and 230gr .45. Percentage wise the 9mm round has more energy per 1gr. I didn't say they were exactly the same. I said pretty close. Your ability to infer things upon me that I didn't say is even more astounding.

Caliber : 9mm+P

Bullet : Remington JHP

Ballistics : 115gr @ 1415fps / 511ft. lbs. from a G17.
Glock 19 velocity - 1395fps.



I made a point......my point was the numbers aren't that different. So again....your point is?

CalNRA
07-22-2010, 3:39 PM
My earlier postings were comparing 147gr 9mm and 230gr .45.



I made a point......my point was the numbers aren't that different. So again....your point is?

oh really? You are truly brilliant.



Data for Speer Gold Dot hollowpoints:

...........................Muzzle Velocity (F.P.S.)....Muzzle Energy (Ft.-lbs.)
9 mm Luger 147gr....985..............................326
9 mm Luger 124gr....1150.............................364
.45 Auto 230gr........890..............................405
.45 Auto 185gr........1,050...........................453

orangeusa
07-22-2010, 3:39 PM
It got ONE STAR!! hahahaha

I tried to build me one of those 20mm AR uppers. The belt feed still confuses me...

Chester
07-22-2010, 3:41 PM
alright, my 9mm gets 1/2 the muzzle energy of a 20mm round. That's a lot power for a subcompact.

That's taking into account the Lorentz transformation that occurs during the first microsecond the bullet exits the muzzle, at which point a 9mm Gold Dot will approach relativistic speeds.

If you would be so good as to draw your attention to this multiplier, you'll see that as the 9mm bullet approaches the speed of light, it's mass increases significantly, thus becoming a more effective round than the slower 45.

x= 1 / (1 - (1 / (v^2)/(c^2))).

CalNRA
07-22-2010, 3:41 PM
And you're perfectly capable of posting it instead of being a retard....but since you can't seem to do it I did it for you.....but I'm still not getting your point. You said you had one for me if I checked out the numbers....so...whats your point?

oh good, now the name calling starts. Perfect. Your argument is now much more convincing.

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 3:53 PM
oh good, now the name calling starts. Perfect. Your argument is now much more convincing.


No....I think the convincing arguement is that for all the 9mm haters....none will volunteer to a take round to the chest to prove their point. Which just proves mine. A 9mm to the heart, between the eyes, or the base of the skull will kill you just as dead and just as quick. A hit with either round in a less vital area is really a toss-up as to the effect it will have.

So what really is the arguement?

Chester
07-22-2010, 3:58 PM
No....I think the convincing arguement is that for all the 9mm haters....none will volunteer to a take round to the chest to prove their point. Which just proves mine. A 9mm to the heart, between the eyes, or the base of the skull will kill you just as dead and just as quick. A hit with either round in a less vital area is really a toss-up as to the effect it will have.

So what really is the arguement?

That shot placement trumps stopping power?

I know, you're not talking to me, but this argument is getting out of hand and all personal like everyone knew it eventually would. Not trying to be a jackass here, but it's like you guys are getting pissy about whether or not the chicken came before the egg.

Untamed1972
07-22-2010, 4:35 PM
That shot placement trumps stopping power?
.


Yes....shot placement and that its a ridiculous notion the such small differences in round performance could equate to such HUGE differences in "stopping/killing power".

ireload
07-22-2010, 6:09 PM
This is the reason why I stuck with .357mag 125 grain load. At least if the bullet misses the BG then the ensuing fireball will get em' :49:

shooting4life
07-22-2010, 7:23 PM
What about bears???

23 Blast
07-22-2010, 7:52 PM
This is the reason why I stuck with .357mag 125 grain load. At least if the bullet misses the BG then the ensuing fireball will get em' :49:

Not to mention that. .357 revolver makes an excellent melée weapon once you use up all six whopping rounds! :D

this 9mm vs .45 debate is so tired and old.












Because everybody knows that .38 super rules all!!! ;);)

Deadbolt
07-22-2010, 11:08 PM
Cool story, bro.

pitted so pitted :chris:

hJdF8DJ70Dc

gadjeep
07-22-2010, 11:24 PM
Best part is the OP never even replied once! Full on :threadjacked:

Adub
07-22-2010, 11:43 PM
pitted so pitted :chris:

hJdF8DJ70Dc

lol, hb surfers are ridiculous sometimes

RobG
07-23-2010, 12:12 AM
No....I think the convincing arguement is that for all the 9mm haters....none will volunteer to a take round to the chest to prove their point. Which just proves mine. A 9mm to the heart, between the eyes, or the base of the skull will kill you just as dead and just as quick. A hit with either round in a less vital area is really a toss-up as to the effect it will have.

So what really is the arguement?

I am thinking the .25 acp haters won't volly up to take one of those to the chest either.

SLYoteBoy
07-23-2010, 12:28 AM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2295/hstj.jpg

Doesn't look that bad to me. Modern ammo /thread

9mm expands , but .45 doesnt shrink :)

/THREAD

scuds03
07-23-2010, 1:59 AM
lol, hb surfers are ridiculous sometimes

Hey I grew up surfing in HB! :stupid:

delisle
07-23-2010, 7:06 AM
Let's somehow work in the inevitable SHTF. 9 mm will be easier to pick up since the military uses it if SHTF. There, that wasn't so hard:43:

Yes, they use it now because females carry in the military and the ammo is cheap and can be purchased in any third world country. Before the 9mm the venerable 45 ACP was king, for a ALOT longer the pew pew pew 9mm

CalNRA
07-23-2010, 3:54 PM
No....I think the convincing arguement is that for all the 9mm haters....none will volunteer to a take round to the chest to prove their point. Which just proves mine.

:rofl:

someone was the high school debate captain.

Olav
07-23-2010, 4:03 PM
I like 7.62x39

Fate
07-23-2010, 4:44 PM
Props to the OP. Drop the grenade and run. Watch the panties bunch. Well played. Well played.

:troll::troll::troll::troll: 4 troll thread!

Vinnie
07-23-2010, 4:47 PM
GOOGLE: "9mm wound"
...and be sure to turn off safe search.

Pictures are worth a thousand words.

Yeah, .45 makes a bigger hole... maybe makes 'em a little deader.

.45 stops quicker, no doubt about it.... but 9 is still nasty indeed.

Sam
07-23-2010, 8:50 PM
:rofl:

someone was the high school debate captain.

I've never understood the argument: "If you won't take one to the chest then it must be the best."

I don't want to get shot by a rubber band gun but I won't use it for defense.

xibunkrlilkidsx
07-23-2010, 9:00 PM
lol try shooting some 25 auto than going and loading your 1911 lol. slight difference.

mariodesmo
07-23-2010, 10:00 PM
A careful study of Calguns shows that the *important* question about Glock vs. 1911 is which looks better when held by a girl in a bikini.

7x57

Well, the answer is the gun being held by the girl with the bigger knockers, of course!
:D

Adub
07-23-2010, 10:37 PM
Hey I grew up surfing in HB! :stupid:

I said sometimes! Now that I just graduated and work from home, I finally have the time to learn how to surf (only live less than a mile away) so who knows, I may end up sounding like that guy sometime in the future.

rojocorsa
07-23-2010, 11:08 PM
God damn 1911's... I swear they're like Mac's and Mac fanboys.

Here. This thread (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant) puts it into perspective better than I can at the moment. Just replace the word "Mac" with "1911" or ".45" and there you go!

You know, I used to be like that once. Since then, I've learned way more things and diversified. While I still love 1911s, I'd rather have myself a GLOCK or SIG--for all practical purposes.

What I like about both the GLOCK or the SIG is that they don't have stupid frame/slide mounted safeties to fumble around with. The exteral hammer and decocker on SIGs isn't an issue for me. And I like where the slide release is found on them.

For me, the 1911 is like the manual transmission sports car that you take out on a spin when on leisure. (A fun range gun). Whereas the GLOCK or SIG, I view more like workhorses or (daily drivers).

Besides, when you drop a GLOCK, you don't feel as bad as if you had dropped a Les Baer or something like that.

rojocorsa
07-23-2010, 11:10 PM
Well, the answer is the gun being held by the girl with the bigger knockers, of course!
:D

This. :D