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EBWhite
04-16-2006, 7:18 PM
Does anyone know a source for bullets only (unloaded) in AP/heavy steel. I see .30 cal surplus, .223 all the time but nothing for 7.62 (AK/SKS) or any pistol caliber ones...I've been searching for a source, but nothing found. Remember loading AP pistol rounds is against state law, however, it is nice to have the components for an out of state trip, etc....And shooting plates with AP from an SKS is too fun :D

ocabj
04-16-2006, 9:10 PM
Where do you see Armor Piercing bullets for .308 and .223? As far as I know, it's pretty rare to find AP .223 bullets.

ohsmily
04-16-2006, 9:36 PM
Where do you see Armor Piercing bullets for .308 and .223? As far as I know, it's pretty rare to find AP .223 bullets.

He is refering to the readily available "penetrator" rounds. SS109 62 grain 5.56 bullets for example. You can even get them on eBay. Granted, these are not actual black tipped armor piercing bullets, BUT, they do pretty well against hardened targets.

EBWhite
04-16-2006, 10:11 PM
SS109 are pretty easy to find in the retail sector.
http://hi-techammo.com/hitech.zkb?root&method&object-menu6
offers a wide selection of .223, 30 cal, 50 cal bullets and reloading components.

I'd like to find some AP loose bullets though. I have yet to find them :-(

ohsmily
04-17-2006, 10:47 AM
SS109 are pretty easy to find in the retail sector.
http://hi-techammo.com/hitech.zkb?root&method&object-menu6
offers a wide selection of .223, 30 cal, 50 cal bullets and reloading components.

I'd like to find some AP loose bullets though. I have yet to find them :-(

Is the penetrator not penetrating enough for you? Do you need the actual AP rounds (usually black tip)? (yes I know the SS109 bullets are not considered actual armor piercing, but they do pretty well against some harder targets) http://cgi.ebay.com/SS109-M855-223-62gr-FMJBT-Machine-Pulled-Resized_W0QQitemZ7234152865QQcategoryZ71113QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The ss109 ones are readily available.

CalExile
04-17-2006, 10:58 AM
gibrass.com also sells components, gets AP bullets from time to time.

xenophobe
04-17-2006, 11:04 AM
M855 or SS109, as well as steel core 7.62x39/54r are MILD steel and are not considered AP. AP bullets are generally hardened steel.

ohsmily
04-17-2006, 11:17 AM
A quick search on gunbroker.com yielded this.... http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=47096800

It is API (armor piercing incendiary). Didn't see any stand-alone .223 AP bullets, just API.

EBWhite
04-17-2006, 11:20 AM
API is cool but illegal to load those in california.

ss109 should do fine for me but i did want to find some for the .308 and some for the 7.62x39 guns. I see they sell m2 ap for 30.06 - will that load in a .308?

ohsmily
04-17-2006, 11:35 AM
API is cool but illegal to load those in california.

ss109 should do fine for me but i did want to find some for the .308 and some for the 7.62x39 guns. I see they sell m2 ap for 30.06 - will that load in a .308?

yes, it will be fine in 308 (what is the weight out of curiosity).

EBWhite
04-17-2006, 11:45 AM
m2 is steel core and 152 grain....do you think it will also work in a 7.62x39 round? As they are all 30 caliber.

ohsmily
04-17-2006, 11:49 AM
m2 is steel core and 152 grain....do you think it will also work in a 7.62x39 round? As they are all 30 caliber.

No, it is not suitable for 7.62x39. The bullet dimensions are quite different between 7.62x39 and other "30 cal" rounds.

It will be fine in 308 though.

uglygun
04-18-2006, 3:36 AM
There are quite a few sources for pulled down 147-150grn 7.62Nato steel core, Pats Reloading should have some as well as a couple other places.


The old M2 163grn 30-06 tips are drying up FAST, used to know of several places that had them listed now none of them have them.

I played with both a bit in 300WinMag and the 163grn projectiles are the better bullet at those velocities. Simply put, the 163s could stand up to 3200ish fps while the 147-150s couldn't stand up to the 3400ish fps. That is my experience pitting them against a 1 1/4 inch steel plate fired at 80-100 yards, the 163s were still sharp sticking out the back side with one shot actually piercing clean through. The 150s pretty much melted/disintegrated upon impact due to the cores pretty much sucking.


A 300RUM with the 163s would be VERY interesting.

Creeping Incrementalism
04-24-2006, 4:21 PM
http://www.southernammo.com/products/products.htm#components:

30 Caliber AP Projectiles, 147 grain BT. These are true AP with hardened steel cores. No pull marks.

Stock No. 3004, $20.00/100

Stock No. 3002, $79.00/500

Stock No. 3003, $149.00/1000, $144.00/2000 to 9000, $139.00/10,000 and above."