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Sinister_1
07-14-2010, 2:35 PM
It would be for HD and for plinking.

Opinions please.

wilit
07-14-2010, 2:36 PM
Everyone needs a wheel gun cause they're cool. I suggest something in .357 so that way you can shoot .38specials out of it for cheap and use .357 for HD.

BigDogatPlay
07-14-2010, 2:37 PM
+1 for .357.... with ammo prices what they are I can't see a .44 as a plinker. :)

uhmeebuh
07-14-2010, 2:42 PM
+ 1 to what everyone one said.

The *real* question is whether you go with a S&W or a Ruger :D

I went with a 6" blued GP100 and love it. Especially since it's a lot less expensive than the S&W. But, really, you can't go wrong with either!

slobson
07-14-2010, 2:42 PM
another endorsement for .357 mag. get a ruger, shoot the hell out of it, give it to your kids when you are gone

Sinister_1
07-14-2010, 2:50 PM
This 4" stainless Ruger GP-100 is pretty nice for the money:

http://www.ruger.com/products/gp100/specSheets/1705.html

I just bought one and am happy with it. $500 shipped to my FFL, no tax so $575 out the door.

How would this compare to a "n" frame?

I've got big paws and was looking for a large frame.

neomedic
07-14-2010, 2:50 PM
What would be the equivalent to the Ruger GP-100 from S&W??

ianS
07-14-2010, 2:52 PM
What would be the equivalent to the Ruger GP-100 from S&W??

686 or 686P. They are called L frame sized revolers in the S&W lineup.

Bullwinkle
07-14-2010, 3:01 PM
No brainer... .357Mag.

gorenut
07-14-2010, 3:23 PM
Like everyone said, .357 mag.

Ruger GP100 is a hefty firearm. Even with hot loads of .357mag, I feel very little recoil. I own a 6" one and is def one of my fave guns to shoot.

For the money, Ruger Gp100 is very hard to beat.

That said.. if you do have a little extra money to spend.. I'd recommend you just skip the S&W 686 and go for the 8 shot S&W 627. Despite having the annoying built in lock that the newer S&Ws have.. it is well worth it - I've seen them go for under the $800 range for the cheaper ones. The fact that the cylinder has 8 shots also makes it so it travels less before cycling to the next round. Remember.. this is the same gun that Miculek broke his own record in. Fired 8 shots at a single target in 1 second. Hit 4 targets, 2 hits each in something like 1.80 seconds.

Although the legendary GP100's durability is unbeatable, S&Ws have a more refined feel that is unmatched (except for Pythons).

faterikcartman
07-14-2010, 3:26 PM
What would be the equivalent to the Ruger GP-100 from S&W??

I don't think S&W has an equivalent revolver as strong as a GP100.

I think everyone should own a 4" SS GP100 (I own S&W too so I'm no fanboy).

John Browning
07-14-2010, 3:41 PM
If you handload, get the .44. It can do anything the .357 can do and more. If not, get the .357.

In terms of Smith v. Ruger, if you can afford to shoot the 10,000 hot magnum loads or 50,000 mild .38s it takes to rattle apart a Smith (what would this cost now, $3,000-$10,000 in ammo???), you probably won't mind buying a new gun. I think they are a lot more refined than the Ruger, and the Ruger only has the advantages of being cheap and being able to run HOT HOT HOT handloads. Rugers and Smiths will both eat any factory ammo out there equally well.

The Smith 28 is a six-shot N Frame which I'd wager is almost as strong if not stronger than the GP100. It is the same frame that the 29 is built on. In the end, unless you handload, you'll never notice any of the extra strength on a Ruger, other than it pulls down your belt a little more in the holster.

RedFord150
07-14-2010, 3:51 PM
...The Smith 28 is a six-shot N Frame which I'd wager is almost as strong if not stronger than the GP100. It is the same frame that the 29 is built on. ...

The Smith 28 would compare closer to the Ruger Redhawk in .357 mag. The Redhawk was designed as a .44 mag or .45 LC and offered in both .357 mag and .41 mag.
GP100 is about $550 Base price and 686 is about $730, at least in my area. Is the Smith trigger and 1 extra round worth another $180 plus tax?
I bought and love the GP100 so much I bought a second one for my daughter. She'll get it on her 21st B-Day in 2015 ;-).
Smith vs. Ruger = Chevy vs. Ford.
Oh yeah, the .44 mag sounds like a great idea. In reality, you'll shoot .357/.38 a heckuva lot more.
Your money, your choice.

not-fishing
07-14-2010, 3:52 PM
I like guns. Especally wheel guns.

But I have to admit I hate reloads. That's why I like moon clips so the 45 ACP moons are my go to round.

Then again shooting 300 grain bullets out of my model 29 (6 1/2") - you only want to reload once.

robert101
07-14-2010, 4:12 PM
You will and should get the .357 first. Then, you will want more and you will be buying a 44 Mag. That is simply the way it works in the gun world. I have both and shoot the 357 more as reloading for target or bullet speed is fun. Every once in a while I handload some 44 specials and then a box of magnums for flame throwing, gun bucking fun.

chickenfried
07-14-2010, 4:16 PM
I voted .357 because that's the rational choice. But I'd get the .44 :D

evidens83
07-14-2010, 4:19 PM
I suggest something in .357 so that way you can shoot .38specials out of it for cheap and use .357 for HD.

This

plumbum
07-14-2010, 4:24 PM
.357 Magnum, everyone has covered what is needed.
keep a look out for a used S&W Highway Patrol - N frame, 6 shot.

USSTUDENT
07-14-2010, 4:30 PM
44 mag would went through 4 houses and kill 5 people and still flying strong. Not a very good idea if you live in CA which houses are very close to each other.

k1dude
07-14-2010, 6:02 PM
A .375 mag revolver? YIKES! Make sure you don't break your wrist and face at the same time.

FUBAR
07-14-2010, 6:13 PM
Get an older S&W 686 pre-lock. I have a no-dash with the "M" stamp in 4 inch. Smooth trigger pull. Almost like my Colt Python I used to own. You see them for about $500-$600 which is a good buy. The K frame 66 is nice as well. A classic design with nice lines. The Rugers are one of the toughest revolvers out there. I'm kinda thinkin about gettin a 6 inch in blue.

1911Operator
07-14-2010, 6:35 PM
357 mag!!!! im saving up right now for a 357 or 38, like everyone knows, you can shot 38 special through a 357 and that ammo is pretty cheap right now, and reloading them is easy too. im saving to get a taurus polymer protector! its got a 38+p rating but I dont know if im gonna be shooting a +p out of that snubby because the short barrel does not let pressure build up.

Peter W Bush
07-14-2010, 6:43 PM
Buy a Colt!!! If you reload, buy the 44 mag. If not, 357.

bucktooth7
07-14-2010, 9:58 PM
I've got a ruger SP101 snubby and it is a ton of fun to shoot. I roll my own 38's and 357 and can shoot the crap out of it fairly cheaply. My shooting buddy has a S/w scandium 44 and can't shoot 50 rounds because the recoil hurts your wrist and elbow. It's like catching a hardball with no glove.
If you can shoot a snubby accurately , it is choice for HD.

Notblake
07-14-2010, 10:07 PM
Ruger GP100! When Bill Ruger commissioned the design, he called on the engineering team to produce a heavy frame revolver that should be able to fire an UNLIMITED number of full power defensive .357 loads during its service life.

That is a design philosophy that I can get behind!

rkt88edmo
07-14-2010, 10:08 PM
Model 19
66
686
whatever tickles your fancy

Krazski
07-14-2010, 10:19 PM
If you happen to get the GP100 (which I have), I highly recommend getting the Hi-Viz sight for it. Makes a night and day difference when aiming. The stock sights are all black and are kinda hard to get a quick focus on. Not quite sure why they did that.

faterikcartman
07-14-2010, 10:35 PM
I put tritium night sights on my GP100.

dr_communist
07-14-2010, 11:47 PM
If you happen to get the GP100 (which I have), I highly recommend getting the Hi-Viz sight for it. Makes a night and day difference when aiming. The stock sights are all black and are kinda hard to get a quick focus on. Not quite sure why they did that.

i agree my gp-100 has god awful sights stock, ive got the 3 inch barrel gp-100. though the gun is fun its kind of hard to aim.

The Cable Guy
07-15-2010, 12:41 AM
I intend to pick up a S&W 640PD if I can find a good deal on one. I voted .357. The .38 is a great round to practice with. I imagine you'd get tired of shooting .44 all day for practicing, which is essential if you intend on using it as an HD gun.

GŁnter
07-15-2010, 1:03 AM
I dont have much experience with revolvers but I would recommend:
.38 Special/.357 Magnum to be perfect for your application
The .38s are cheap for plinking and you can load .357 for HD - it is one of the best man stopping handgun round out there.

Ruger or Taurus for value.
S&W or Colt for quality.

I would grab a .44 Magnum mainly for hunting or for amusment of its awesome power!

Dhena81
07-15-2010, 1:10 AM
I voted for .44 magnum because I didn't read your POU. The only reason I voted for the .44 is because it is my camp and hike gun of choice. Its a good gun for that but ammo is really expensive and its to powerful IMO for HD. I shot a 686 at the shooting range with my mom and the .38 special was very light recoil and the .357 wasn't bad at all. Go to a shooting range and shoot all the guns you can rent and decide there's so many factors even more if your not planing on buying more than one gun.

Brian2217
07-15-2010, 1:11 AM
I voted 44 mag. why, cause I just plain love 44s.

I will agree with the others though. I think the 357 will fit the needs that you posted alot better.

patriot_man
07-15-2010, 2:00 AM
44 might equal to less collateral damage... as well as sending a huge slow piece of lead down range! :)

JTROKS
07-15-2010, 6:19 AM
Gotta have at least one 357 magnum.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh257/joshuatroy/DSC04356.jpg

JosephP
07-15-2010, 6:19 AM
Magnum for HD is no no. Will go through the wall unless you live not populated area.
You can use .38 for HD and also plinking. .44 is expensive and hard hitting round so you can't shoot much unless you are trigger happy guy.
If it is my choice I will go with S&W even If I need to pay slightly more than ruger.
Trigger is much better than Ruger.
For .357... try M66 in 4" or 6".
I think that is the best made .357.
Just my opinion :)

yasushi
07-15-2010, 6:35 AM
I got rid of the Rugers since I never liked the trigger and kept my K frame 38/357's. Not really big fan of 44's. I've got snubbies tucked away for the general use and for HD and 6" for range fun gun.

ragenmoan
07-15-2010, 6:56 AM
.357, 6", Colt King Cobra, bright stainless. large frame, satisfying recoil, cheap to reload, decent trigger, .38 calib hp for home defense, shiney & scary as hell looking at it from the wrong end of the barrel....

robcoe
07-15-2010, 7:15 AM
How would this compare to a "n" frame?

I've got big paws and was looking for a large frame.

GP100 is actually quite good for people with large hands. I'm 6'5 and have very large hands and the stainless steel 6 inch model fits in my hand like it was custom made for me.

sargenv
07-15-2010, 7:27 AM
Neither.. I'm still partial to the 40 cal Revo.. S&W 610 in either the shorter 3 7/8 bbl or the longer 6.5" tube. You can shoot 40's all day long or break down and shoot the full power 10 mm stuff, which is loaded a bit heavier than the 357 magnum but still manageable.

lazs
07-15-2010, 8:11 AM
I just cast 500 44 mag slugs and sized em. the cost per box to load these rounds will be about $4 for 50 .357 would cost me about the same but not be near as useful and would be harder to load and.. .357 brass doesn't last as long as 44 mag brass.

I can load light recoiling 44 mags at about 800 fps and I can load 300 grain slugs at 1300 fps.

I can't load a round that will go through 5 houses. Nothing wrong with a .357 except that a 44 mag will do everything except conceal.... better.. far better.

That is probly why the only .357 I own now is a 12 ounce 340 pd. I have owned lots of em in the past and will probly own a few more in the future but the 44 works out better.

CalNRA
07-15-2010, 8:12 AM
357 ftw.

44mag will be expensive to buy and expensive to shoot, you don't see much 44 special ammo around stores these days.

GunLover
07-15-2010, 10:27 AM
44 snub and reload. For HD use low recoil 200gr ammunition

GunsForSale.com
07-15-2010, 11:31 AM
.357 Magnum is the logical choice. As others have said you can shoot the cheaper 38 special out of it and then use 357 Magnum rounds when needed.

The hard part is figuring out if you going to get a S&W, Ruger or used Colt. Any of the three are fine revolvers and if maintained properly will last you a lifetime. Just don't be surprised when you end up getting one of each. Wheelguns are a unique addiction.

neuron
07-15-2010, 10:30 PM
S&W 686+ because: 1) L-Frame (tough, will digest magnum loads without fail); 2) 7 round cylinder (not just 6, or 5) and that's reassuring; 3) heavy bull barrel and L-frame absorbs recoil (.38s feel like plinkers, and full loads are snappy but manageable); 4) with 3" barrel it hefts and points perfectly, and looks sexy as Hell...the 3" barrel has better ballistics than the 2" and though the 4" barrel is marginally better ballistically, the 4" is front-heavy and doen't, IMHO, handle as well. This is a CLASSIC SS wheelgun. The SP/GP Rugers are fine guns too, but I vote for the 686+ in 3 or 4-inch, with a preference for the 3-inch.

Oh, and did I say that .357 has the edge on .44magnum? The .44 is definitely
more potent, but the .357 is plenty potent and has the edge of having a truly broad spectrum when it comes to loading.

happy_gunner
07-15-2010, 10:43 PM
I've got a ruger SP101 snubby and it is a ton of fun to shoot. I roll my own 38's and 357 and can shoot the crap out of it fairly cheaply. My shooting buddy has a S/w scandium 44 and can't shoot 50 rounds because the recoil hurts your wrist and elbow. It's like catching a hardball with no glove.
If you can shoot a snubby accurately , it is choice for HD.

+1
I feed my Ruger SP101 38+P+ and 357mag and the kick is still manageable and not punishing. The newer and lighter material is nice to look at, but doesn't help the recoil/kick

PutTogether
07-15-2010, 11:11 PM
I say .357

A good .357 can do almost anything.

For 300ish you can get yourself a used Ruger Security Six
for 500ish you can get a used SW Model 19 or New Ruger GP100
For in the 600s you should be able to find a SW 686
For close to 800 you could find a SW 627

All great guns. All have their salient points.

Bang for the buck though, you can't beat an old ruger security six.

lazs
07-16-2010, 7:55 AM
nothing wrong with a good .357 revolver if you are willing to settle for less. They can do almost as much as a 44 mag.

I never liked shooting 38 special rounds out of a .357. I have a model 10 smith 38 special that shoots 38 specials really well.

I don't shoot 44 specials through my 44 mag guns either. I don't like the fact that after you shoot the specials in .357 or 44 guns.. that if you don't scrub the heck out of the chambers you can't even chamber the magnum loads. I also do not like to sort brass that is the same but a tiny bit longer.

And why would you bother? You can load light rounds in both .357 and in 44 mag.

If you don't reload then you might as well stick with a good semi auto that throws the brass away anyway.

twotap
07-16-2010, 8:37 AM
357 single action

Fishslayer
07-16-2010, 12:20 PM
I don't think S&W has an equivalent revolver as strong as a GP100.

So we should be seeing the GP100 in .44 mag when?:D

[/QUOTE]

If you handload, get the .44. It can do anything the .357 can do and more. If not, get the .357.




^^^ This

Cokebottle
07-16-2010, 12:28 PM
.357, because you can fire .38spl to save money for plinking.

Just remember.... ALWAYS clean the gun after firing .39spl before loading with .357.
The .38 round is shorter, so it leaves deposits on the inside of the cylinder at the edge of the brass.
Not a problem if you continue shooting .38... but fire as few as 5 rounds of .38 (from each chamber), then switch to .357, and you'll have trouble extracting the .357 brass.

Sinister_1
07-16-2010, 3:01 PM
sooooo....


I think the is what I want

S&W 627


who has one and tell me about it.

RedFord150
07-16-2010, 3:50 PM
So we should be seeing the GP100 in .44 mag when?:D



Ruger already makes the Redhawk in .44 mag. I doubt they would see a reason to make the weaker GP100 in the same caliber.

faterikcartman
07-16-2010, 4:53 PM
So we should be seeing the GP100 in .44 mag when?:D





^^^ This[/QUOTE]

I think your point is that SW must have stronger revolvers because they have .44's and other newer big bores. So I should have spelled out: "in .357 magnum..."

Though I bet the frame of the GP100 still might be stronger than some SW .44s.

Moreover, I'm not sure everyone here understands the differences in frame construction between S&W and the GP100. GP100s are built with a modular unitary frame whereas S&Ws use an older more fragile design where the frame is only connected on one side with a side plate on the other. This accounts for the difference in strength between the two. In concede the Ruger has an inferior trigger out of the box, but it can be tuned.

If the OP is set on an S&W I really like my:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765661_-1_757776_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Mason McDuffie
07-16-2010, 4:54 PM
I love my Smith 357. I dont camp without her right by me.

Legasat
07-16-2010, 6:24 PM
I have the grand-daddy of the GP100, the Security Six, in Stainless.

It is the one within arms reach while sleeping. It is the one I trust the most with my family's life.

Definately, a .357 revolver. S&W or Ruger. Either way.

Marlin Hunter
07-16-2010, 6:32 PM
As most everyone else said, get the 357 mag. If you plan to reload or cast your own bullets, you will use half the powder and lead of a 44 mag. A 357 is more than enough for home defense and plinking. The best thing about a revolver is that you don't have to hunt for your brass. After you get the revolver, you will need to get a lever gun in the same caliber. They just go together.

The King
07-16-2010, 6:37 PM
1. 357 all day.

The rest of the question: Single or double action.
Single action revolvers are usually stronger then double action.
If you can find a Ruger Bisley (with sights) you can load the piss out of it.
(excuse my language but it's true)
Any single action, american, italian, south american, will give a life time of service.
7.5 inch barrel guns are great for 50 ++ yards.
4.5 or 5.5 inch guns have been defense arms since 1874.

I own them both. Double action revolvers have the "cool" factor, but a quality single action you will keep for a lifetime.

Old School

bucktooth7
07-16-2010, 9:56 PM
All you .44 guys leave your brass at the range as I will be more than happy to pick it up and put it to good use . Ps You won't find any of my .38's or 357's

lazs
07-17-2010, 8:01 AM
I think that all the guys here who don't care about revolvers or who have a .357 are very much into .357 as the hot setup. The excuse that you can shoot 38 specials through it is pretty standard.

The truth is that if you shoot long enough and reload your own ammo.. at some point you will be disappointed with the .357 and end up lusting for a 44 mag gun.

The real good argument is that it takes almost twice the powder and almost twice the lead to reload the 44 mag. That is true.. you trade having tougher, easier to load 44 mag brass and easier to cast slugs for the whopping extra expense of a dollar a box extra in powder needed to charge the 44 mag case and all you get is a round with twice the energy.

ojisan
07-17-2010, 10:59 AM
I have revolvers of many calibers....22lr, .38, .357, .44
I reload for all except the .22lr.

I've shot zillions of rounds through all of them.

The universal handgun is a .38 / .357 4" barreled revolver.
Can be loaded mild to wild.
Full power .357 ammo can easily take wild pigs and other critters if needed.
It would not be the best choice for hunting bears or elk or whatever, but otherwise it does it all.

The .44 Mag is a lot of fun, but is more appropriate as a hunting or long distance shooting round in a large framed 6 inch or longer barreled gun.
This is a bit clunky for home defense or stuffing into your waistband if the situation required it.

IMHO, the Ruger Security / Speed Six .357 guns are great: they are the size of the Smith K frame without the forcing cone weakness. Absolute reliability and will last forever.

A little larger gun: the Smith L frame 686+ (etc) is a great gun, especially in the 7 shot version to take advantage of the larger frame size than the "K".
The Ruger GP100 is even stronger with it's frame / crane latch cylinder lock-up.
If only the GP100 was a 7 shot like the Smith.

A little smaller gun: The Ruger SP101 is brute strong, and features the same crane to frame lock up latch as the GP100 (and .44 Redhawks). I went with the 3" barrel since this gun is used with .357 ammo.

The old rule of thumb for cartridge and barrel lengths for best performance is:
.38 Special = 4"
.357 Mag = 6"
.44 Mag = 8"

lazs
07-17-2010, 11:20 AM
"best performance" would depend on what performance you wanted. Faster powders and mid range loads work best in shorter barrels than your guidelines for instance.

My 44 mag guns are mostly 4" but I do have a 5.5 and and 8"

I am not sure what "appropriate" means either. My 44's just work better for plinking than .357's do. I can see bullet strikes better and they simply do more damage. Even mid range loads have 50% more energy than hot .357 loads.

The other thing is. For a .357 to even reach that level they have to be very loud.. very sharp sound. A good mid range 44 mag load is actually easier on the ears.

I would not hunt wild hogs with a .357 unless it was a very small pig or I knew I would get in a very good shot with a really hot hard cast bullet in at least 175 grains.

The 44 mag will never be as easy to carry as a .357 but the differences don't amount to much on a holster.

For new folks I find my old k frame 38 to be about right for that caliber of a gun. I had a very accurate 4" Ruger security six tho in 38. (whatever the older 38 ruger was with fixed sights).

For revolvers these days I reload for 38 and .357 (340pd) and 44 mag and 45 acp (1917 smith)

By far the easiest one to reload for and to cast slugs for is the 44 mag guns.

Another neat advantage of the 44 is that the speer shot caps actually are effective when you get up to the 44 size. I have killed many snakes with the shot caps loaded with #9 shot. I did not have much luck with the 38/357 shot loads or the 22 for that matter. for outdoors a good 44 mag with the first round a snake shot load and the rest solids is a pretty handy tool.

Long range shooting always seems to come up with buddies when you are out plinking. The 44 mag works real well for that.

I also own a Henry lever gun in 44 mag. You can get carbines in .357 but the 44 mag ones are way more useful.

I do agree that the 44 mag is about the limit for size to haul around. I think that it is about the best compromise tho. Big but not too big. I seen a guy with a 500.. he actually had a SLING on the thing.

If you are stuck with factory rounds.. if you never plan to reload.. you are better off with a .357. You simply will have more choice and it will be cheaper to shoot.. much cheaper.

shooting4life
07-17-2010, 1:34 PM
I would get a 625 or a 61O. Much cheaper ammo if yoU don't reload

six10
07-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Buds (budsgunshop.com) has NIB 627s right now for $658, including 2-Day UPS shipping to your FFL.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/53549


The other S&W .357 that seldom gets mentioned is the 7-shot 619/620, which is exactly the same gun as the more popular 686 but has a half-underlug barrel instead of the full underlug version found on the 686.
Edited to add: The 620 also has a flash-chromed hammer and trigger. Beautiful gun. Buds had them, NIB, for $597 a couple of months ago.

PutTogether
07-18-2010, 1:57 AM
Buds (budsgunshop.com) has NIB 627s right now for $658, including 2-Day UPS shipping to your FFL.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/53549


The other S&W .357 that seldom gets mentioned is the 7-shot 619/620, which is exactly the same gun as the more popular 686 but has a half-underlug barrel instead of the full underlug version found on the 686.
Edited to add: The 620 also has a flash-chromed hammer and trigger. Beautiful gun. Buds had them, NIB, for $597 a couple of months ago.

Christ that is a good deal. I paid significantly more than that for mine, and I thought THAT was a good deal.

http://criminalhandbook.com/627/2.jpg

http://criminalhandbook.com/627/3.jpg

incredablehefey
07-18-2010, 2:06 AM
A .375 mag revolver? YIKES! Make sure you don't break your wrist and face at the same time.



:rolleyes:

mike100
07-18-2010, 7:15 AM
If you reload, 44 makes the most sense. I just like the larger gun and downloaded 44 mags at 800-900 fps are just right. I do still shoot my S&W model 66 for casual competition because it draws from a holster so fast, but other than that, I don't think I'll ever buy a full size 357 gun again.

23 Blast
07-18-2010, 8:09 AM
I have a S&W Model 66-6 which I had a trigger job done on it and it is probably the sweetest shooting handgun I own. Great gun, nice lines, and the black rubber grip it came with fits me so well I never felt the need to accesorize it.

gorenut
07-18-2010, 10:53 AM
Buds (budsgunshop.com) has NIB 627s right now for $658, including 2-Day UPS shipping to your FFL.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/53549


The other S&W .357 that seldom gets mentioned is the 7-shot 619/620, which is exactly the same gun as the more popular 686 but has a half-underlug barrel instead of the full underlug version found on the 686.
Edited to add: The 620 also has a flash-chromed hammer and trigger. Beautiful gun. Buds had them, NIB, for $597 a couple of months ago.

Oh wow, that is an excellent price. Its unfortunately they don't have the 5" ones at that price.

Fishslayer
07-18-2010, 11:56 AM
Ruger already makes the Redhawk in .44 mag. I doubt they would see a reason to make the weaker GP100 in the same caliber.

And it's such a HANDSOME firearm...:rolleyes:



I think your point is that SW must have stronger revolvers because they have .44's and other newer big bores. So I should have spelled out: "in .357 magnum..."

Though I bet the frame of the GP100 still might be stronger than some SW .44s.


Referring to the N frame S&W.

Kinda a moot point, really. Either the GP or N frame Smith are hella strong for .357 and you'd need to mightily screw the pooch to KB either of 'em.

The Smith is more aesthetically pleasing to me, tho...

RTE
07-18-2010, 12:23 PM
Everyone should have at least one Steel frame 357

686
586
GP100
GP101

4-6 inch barrel
Blue or stainless

Double_D
07-19-2010, 11:48 AM
.357 mag! I have a taurus 608 and I love it. I can't shoot it double action though cus the trigger is way too heavy.

Fishslayer
07-19-2010, 11:57 AM
Everyone should have at least one Steel frame 357



^^^ This. :cool:

AND a 1911 in .45ACP :D

When I'm King it SHALL be mandatory!;)

Which brings us to the ONLY logical and correct answer to the Q ".357 or .44 Mag?"

The answer is "Yes!"

tacticalcity
07-19-2010, 12:00 PM
Perhaps it is because I will eventually inherrit a mint 1970's S&W .357 Magnum I've never been into revolvers all that much. I guess it's easier to focus on semi-autos when building a collection when you pretty much already have one of the best revolvers already made. Then again, as past experience with inherritance tells me...it is a bad idea to count your chickens before they've hatched. Between a semi-auto and revolver I prefer semi-autos big time. Limited round count, slow reloads, and very heavy triggers have me shying away from them. I know some people have their reloads down and can do they very fast, but still no where as fast as a person with the same amount of practice can reload a semi-auto. So the revolver seems to rely heavily on the idea that the bad guys will be limited in number and/or sufficient cover will be available while reloading. Add the fact that it has a slower trigger pull - and a primary self defense weapon it is not my first choice.

All that said, they are very fun to shoot. So since you want one, get one. Enjoy!

redcliff
07-19-2010, 12:52 PM
Unless you reload a .44magnum gets expensive to feed and is hard to find target loads for at a reasonable price, and since you aren't planning on hunting with it I'd pass on that.

.357 magnum is easier to find affordable .38 special loads for target shooting.

Have you considerred a SW Model 25 or 625 in .45acp? I like that the ammo interchanges with my 1911's when I go to the range, they're very fast to reload, and you have a nice satisfying heavy bullet that you're shooting, very similar to a .44special target load.

lazs
07-20-2010, 12:55 PM
I concede that if you never reload and you never shoot a 44 mag next to your .357 then the .357 will be a good choice.

Most of us will either reload at some point or have a friend who does and... most wheel gun guys will go out plinking with buddies who know how to shoot a 44 mag. at some point.

I will also concede that some people will never get used to a 44 mag. there are even some who will never be able to handle the blast and recoil of a .357

No one will ever get in a situation where a fast reload will be very important. And.. more than likely, power and penetration and accuracy will trump spray and pray and a quick reload in any real dangerous situation.

Fishslayer
07-20-2010, 1:22 PM
Either .44 Mag or .357 Mag is gonna be expensive to feed with factory ammo. And think about it. When was the last time you saw either caliber in decent quantity/price anywhere? I recently bought 2 boxes of WWB .357 strictly out of reflex. I already have a crap ton of it and makin's for another ton. Not to mention it's poosie 110gr loads that aren't really good for your weapon anyway.:rolleyes:

Either caliber is gonna require reloading if yer gonna do any amount of shooting with it.

BigBoyPinoy
09-06-2010, 10:54 AM
SW 686+ and 625 is a very fun combination. You can even go for a 610.

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Jerry X
09-06-2010, 4:35 PM
.357

cadjak
09-07-2010, 9:48 AM
I'm not trying to be a smartass but my HD gun is a .22 Browning micro buckmark. Not what a lot of experts would recommend, but it works for me because it is comparatively quiet and limited amount of flash, almost no recoil, and fast to reload. Most importantly, I can consistently and reliably hit whatever I can see. If you want a revolver for plinking and defense, have at it. many people will support that choice. I own more than a few revolvers .22 to 500S&W, and like shooting them as plinkers and for protection when I hike in places where animals might be aggressive (500). The thought of firing one of my large caliber handguns indoors is worrisome enough for me, that I chose my little Browning. As they say YMMV.

bruss01
09-07-2010, 12:32 PM
Like everyone said, .357 mag.

Ruger GP100 is a hefty firearm. Even with hot loads of .357mag, I feel very little recoil. I own a 6" one and is def one of my fave guns to shoot.

For the money, Ruger Gp100 is very hard to beat.



+1 Very pleased with my Ruger revolver. I have some 44's and I tote them in bear/snake country. Wouldn't want them so much for HD, recovery from recoil and all that... In a tactical situation I need speed more than penetration or snake shot capacity. I also have some smith revolvers. For some reason, they're just not as good in my hand as the Ruger.

I don't think you could go "wrong" either way in the S&W vs Ruger debate, but handle a few, and if possible shoot samples of both breeds. See what handles and points most naturally for you. But definitely .357 for humans... the .44 is overkill and more expensive/less fun to shoot (generally speaking).

scarville
09-07-2010, 3:41 PM
How would this compare to a "n" frame?

I've got big paws and was looking for a large frame.
To my hands, the GP-100 felt about like an N Frame. YMMV.

Unfortunately I have K/L frame sized hands so I sold the GP -100 and bought a 686P. If you can shoot a GP-100 it's a heckuva good gun.

Cokebottle
09-07-2010, 6:04 PM
I'm not trying to be a smartass but my HD gun is a .22 Browning micro buckmark.
The best home/self defense handgun is the one that you can fire with deadly accuracy with confidence.

If that happens to be a .22lr, then so be it.

I would rather be hit in the arm with a .45ACP than in the eye with a .22lr ;)

map
09-07-2010, 6:30 PM
I recommend the .357 mag. For home defense use .38 special. Firing a .357 in doors will disorient you.

bandook
09-07-2010, 6:57 PM
Without a doubt, .357 Magnum. .38 Hollow points for HD and .357/.38 for plinking.
Then get a .357 carbine and have some more plinking fun with the same ammo.

Cowboy T
09-07-2010, 7:38 PM
For civilian self defense, plinking, and versatility, nothing--not even the Wonder Nines--beats the .357 Magnum revolver. You can shoot cheap .38 Special through them for practice, and this will not kill your hand. You can hunt with them with full-house .357 Magnum rounds, and with proper shot placement, that *WILL* take down a deer or black bear.

If you handload, the .357 Magnum is even more so the better choice. Cheap, once-fired .38 Special brass remains plentiful, unlike .44 Special or .44 Mag brass (VERY EXPENSIVE!!! Ask me how I know that!). Matter of fact, the .38 Special round is not only one of the least expensive and most versatile rounds to handload, it's also one of the easiest. Heck, your pet retriever could probably do it, it's so easy.

I have a .44 Magnum revolver. It is a lot of fun, a dream to shoot, and I shoot mostly .44 Special out of it. I'm very, very fortunate to have secured a good supply of .44 Special brass, otherwise there's no way I could afford to feed the revolver.

So, if I were you, I'd be looking for a used double-action Ruger (any vintage, they're all great), pre-2000 S&W, or Taurus Model 65/66. Any of those are terrific.