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afro
07-13-2010, 2:45 PM
Just got back from the gun shop to take the HSC and fondle some pistols. That was the easiest test I think I've ever taken. I was literally laughing at some of the questions.

Ah well... 25 bucks well spent I guess.

GunNutz
07-13-2010, 2:47 PM
Just remember, the clock is ticking until that card expires and you have to renew. So buy a pistol!

EOD3
07-13-2010, 2:48 PM
Not exactly, $25 bucks wasted on yet another feel-good pile of crap used to hide an additional tax on gun owners.

RudyN
07-13-2010, 2:50 PM
The HSC is a "feel good" item. It is just to make people think that the Sate of California is protecting them. :sarcasm: :rolleyes:

j1133s
07-13-2010, 2:51 PM
Just got back from the gun shop to take the HSC and fondle some pistols. That was the easiest test I think I've ever taken. I was literally laughing at some of the questions.

Ah well... 25 bucks well spent I guess.

Heck, I can't even buy a handgun in CA because I don't have an HSC. I refuse to support it so I'll never buy a handgun.

gorenut
07-13-2010, 3:10 PM
Yea.. HSC is a joke. If anything.. I would prefer them to make it harder to get a proper firearms license, but lift restrictions on the firearms we have available. I'm not talking about something like a CCW here thats impossible to get unless you have connections or your job helps you obtain one... but atleast something that proves the person has some degree of competency.

Monticore
07-13-2010, 3:13 PM
It's been a long time since I have taken the driving test at DMV, but the HSC is just like it to me. Not that hard to pass, but it sure doesn't mean you are really ready for the road.

supertrooper
07-13-2010, 3:41 PM
when i was at the gun shop the other day i asked the guy behind the counter if anyone failed the test. he said quite a few do, one person thought a loaded handgun laying on the passenger seat of a car have a legal way to transport the gun.

im glad my BSIS firearm permit counts so i do have to blow an extra $25 on that stupid test.

mike100
07-13-2010, 4:10 PM
Mine is going to expire..what a waste of $ to renew. Kind of need it if you want to be eligible to posses a loaned handgun or buy new from FFL's. I'm not really looking to get a COE, but one of these days might have to try that route. I suppose they could make the test $250...what's to stop them.

OneSevenDeuce
07-13-2010, 4:17 PM
It's nice to have an exemption. Man what a pointless thing the HSC is. The whole idea pisses me off. Talk about a nanny state.

stix213
07-13-2010, 5:29 PM
I look at this one from the opposite direction. Its so flippin easy, that if you can't pass the HSC I genuinely don't want you to own a handgun. So this is the 2A infringement I least care about getting rid of in this state; last on my list to go.

thefinger
07-13-2010, 5:49 PM
I look at this one from the opposite direction. Its so flippin easy, that if you can't pass the HSC I genuinely don't want you to own a handgun. So this is the 2A infringement I least care about getting rid of in this state; last on my list to go.

Thats fine... but $25 to the State? I mean c'mon, what cost did they incur to administer that test? A single sheet of paper?

OneSevenDeuce
07-13-2010, 5:58 PM
I look at this one from the opposite direction. Its so flippin easy, that if you can't pass the HSC I genuinely don't want you to own a handgun. So this is the 2A infringement I least care about getting rid of in this state; last on my list to go.

That's because it is the least invasive from the standpoint that it is not a serious impediment to owning a handgun. However it still takes $25 out of a citizen's hands when there is no need for it. They nickel and dime you and pretty soon you have nothing. You are essentially buying your constitutional rights, and that is just wrong.

Homebrew2
07-13-2010, 6:08 PM
It took me 10 years to talk myself into taking the test. I finally had to convince myself that the anti's were WANTING me to be pissedoff enough to not take it ... they failed. Now, in the PRK, I have the obligation to buy a handgun every month ;)

NotEnoughGuns
07-13-2010, 6:46 PM
The HSC is only in place to deter good people from trying to buy their first handgun. I had to get a new one recently, took me all of 5 minutes and didn't miss a single question. I call it the retard test, as you have to be completely retarded not to pass.
Did I mention this state sucks a fat one?

KaTooM
07-13-2010, 6:56 PM
I took the test back in 2002(BFSC) when I purchased my Glock. I was told it was a one time deal and good for life(which it was at the time)

I went over to Oak Tree Gun club to possibly purchase a new hand gun from them. I pulled out my card and they said sorry. The state reneged on there promise and you will have to do it every five years now.

:chris:

dfletcher
07-13-2010, 6:57 PM
Is there anything that prevents the state from progressively turning this easy as hell, foolish test into something so complicated it would be difficult for anyone to pass?

OneSevenDeuce
07-13-2010, 7:02 PM
Is there anything that prevents the state from progressively turning this easy as hell, foolish test into something so complicated it would be difficult for anyone to pass?

Some states had tests you had to take before you were allowed to vote too. Why? They wanted to keep certain people from voting. Could this state construct a test, or some other method, to keep people it doesn't like from buying handguns? Oh yeah.

cindynles
07-13-2010, 7:40 PM
I took the test back in 2002(BFSC) when I purchased my Glock. I was told it was a one time deal and good for life(which it was at the time)

Yep, those were the days when a DD214 (proof of military service) was still an exemption to buy a handgun. I didn't break down and get an HSC till last year when I bought my first Glock.

Lead-Thrower
07-13-2010, 7:54 PM
I just took the test last week to buy my first handgun and was stunned at how easy it was. Anyone who fails that test should not have guns for lack of common sense...

OneSevenDeuce
07-13-2010, 7:55 PM
Anyone who fails that test should not have guns for lack of common sense...

You just lost my vote.

thevic
07-13-2010, 7:59 PM
its only $25 every 5 years..

OneSevenDeuce
07-13-2010, 8:00 PM
its only $25 every 5 years..

It's not about money.

GunNutz
07-13-2010, 8:03 PM
its only $25 every 5 years..

Yup. Just like BART would never charge for parking, income tax is temporary (and voluntary), etc.

The means is in place for them to charge whatever they please.

MarioS
07-13-2010, 8:46 PM
A lot of people laugh at the test but a lot of people also fail it.

dfletcher
07-13-2010, 9:55 PM
Some states had tests you had to take before you were allowed to vote too. Why? They wanted to keep certain people from voting. Could this state construct a test, or some other method, to keep people it doesn't like from buying handguns? Oh yeah.

Voting tests - and the difference between those given blacks and whites - is what I had in mind actually.

What entity constructs the test and its questions? Decides how many questions, how their constructed, what's a passing grade?

There's one question on the current test - "where do you point the muzzle?" & IIRC the answers are 1) straight up in the air 2) downrange 3) a direction where no one gets shot if the gun goes off & I don't recall answer 4. I think 3 is the answer, but 25 questions & answers like that and a 100% correct to pass - first, it's not so farfetched that could be required and safe to say lots of folks would flunk. Then I suppose we'd be headed off to court.

norcal.xd
07-14-2010, 8:11 AM
It's been a long time since I have taken the driving test at DMV, but the HSC is just like it to me. Not that hard to pass, but it sure doesn't mean you are really ready for the road.

:iagree:

winnre
07-14-2010, 8:37 AM
Yep, those were the days when a DD214 (proof of military service) was still an exemption to buy a handgun. I didn't break down and get an HSC till last year when I bought my first Glock.

Yea I was surprised to find the D214 was not honored any more. Like CA can do better than Uncle Sam?

its only $25 every 5 years..

Well poor people can complain it keeps them from their 2A rights.

j1133s
07-14-2010, 9:11 AM
It's not about money.

True, I agree... its not about the money for most of us.

But I think for some (say those who can only afford a $200 pistol), it does represent a significant extra cost.

Free, unrestricted gun ownership, I thought that was what 2A mentioned, no?

OneSevenDeuce
07-14-2010, 11:18 AM
The HSC stops alot of [people] from walking in and just buying a gun

There, fixed it for you.

I have rarely ever met a person who didn't think all THOSE people out there are idiots, and THEY are the smart ones. Look around you, it's like a disease. We are all smart in our own ways right? Is it that far of a stretch to say we are all idiots in our own ways? That doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to speak freely, or not incriminate ourselves, or own guns. All of which are rights under the constitution. And none of which, except for the last, you have to pay to exercise.

RedFord150
07-14-2010, 11:53 AM
I was able to skip the HSC and use my Hunter Safety Course to buy handguns for many years.
At some point, the State of CA decided their 5 minute test was better than the 8 hour class I completed that included several live rounds on a trap range.

paul0660
07-14-2010, 11:58 AM
I have always suspected that the HSC was actually difficult for the people who created it.

heliopolissolutions
07-14-2010, 12:13 PM
The obligation to take the test is a violation of clearly worded Constitutional rights.
The obligation to PAY for the test is a violation of clearly worded Constitutional rights.

The HSC is not a joke. Its a travesty.

If my economic status is in the condition that it is difficult or fiscally unwise to pay for the 'privilege' to own a handgun, then I am having my right to keep and bear arms violated.
This is NO different, repeat NO different then the laws that prevented blacks from owning firearms in years passed based on the requirement that the only legal handguns to own were prohibitively expensive.

Not a joke.

OneSevenDeuce
07-14-2010, 12:16 PM
The obligation to take the test is a violation of clearly worded Constitutional rights.
The obligation to PAY for the test is a violation of clearly worded Constitutional rights.

The HSC is not a joke. Its a travesty.


:iagree:

winnre
07-14-2010, 12:16 PM
I did see a guy at Turner's who wanted a pistol, had no HSC card so he bought a rifle instead.

Rangda
07-14-2010, 12:17 PM
HSC test was ridiculous. Yet I sometime still hear there were people fail that test.

Chris M
07-14-2010, 12:25 PM
its only $25 every 5 years..

I just looked at mine, and realized that I got gypped by 1 year.
Issue Date: 1/18/10. Expiration Date: 1/18/14.

smle-man
07-14-2010, 2:12 PM
Just serve 20+ years in the military and get a retired ID card. Automatic exemption. Save your 25 bucks.

bohoki
07-14-2010, 2:16 PM
yea it makes you think "do i feel comfortable knowing people own pistols who cant pass this test?"

timmyb21
07-14-2010, 2:18 PM
Just serve 20+ years in the military and get a retired ID card. Automatic exemption. Save your 25 bucks.

Or get a CCW permit if you can, exemption there too.

Whiskey_Sauer
07-14-2010, 2:40 PM
The safest place to keep a gun pointed is:
A. In the safest possible direction.
B. At your right ear.
C. At a school bus full of children.
D. At a case of dynamite and blasting caps.

OneSevenDeuce
07-14-2010, 2:46 PM
yea it makes you think "do i feel comfortable knowing people own pistols who cant pass this test?"

Do I feel comfortable knowing some people who vote can't read? Yes.

ConcernedCitizen
07-14-2010, 3:01 PM
My wife was all set to get a gun with me until she read the HSC booklet and got squeamish. She's not anti, but had no experience with handguns. I proceeded with my purchase, but it deterred her. This may be a subtle intended outcome of the HSC test: those not completely committed to getting a gun may be put off by the "danger." I'm thinking the writers did this on purpose, and it worked in at least one case to reduce the number of handguns sold.

DPC
07-14-2010, 3:04 PM
Don't Knock it you cold be having to go through what chicago citizens are having to go through!!!

Dr Rockso
07-14-2010, 3:05 PM
I remember when I had to take it for the first time I asked the clerk if he's ever seen anyone fail it...he got this really sad look in his eyes, shook his head and just said "you'd be surprised, man...you'd be surprised."

bohoki
07-14-2010, 3:07 PM
Do I feel comfortable knowing some people who vote can't read? Yes.

thankfully with voting dumbasses cancel out but dumbasses with guns are always additive

masameet
07-14-2010, 3:08 PM
My wife was all set to get a gun with me until she read the HSC booklet and got squeamish. She's not anti, but had no experience with handguns. I proceeded with my purchase, but it deterred her. This may be a subtle intended outcome of the HSC test: those not completely committed to getting a gun may be put off by the "danger." I'm thinking the writers did this on purpose, and it worked in at least one case to reduce the number of handguns sold.

Have her take an NRA First Pistols course. Right after the class ends, she can take and pass the test with confidence.

OneSevenDeuce
07-14-2010, 3:21 PM
thankfully with voting dumbasses cancel out but dumbasses with guns are always additive

Dumbasses do not cancel out, and never have. That is why Dianne Feinstein got elected.

OneSevenDeuce
07-14-2010, 3:23 PM
thankfully with voting dumbasses cancel out but dumbasses with guns are always additive

Oh, and again with the "other people are dumb, and I am smart" thing. Did you even read my other post?

rudeboy3
07-14-2010, 3:39 PM
You know stormy clothing its people like you that have put these rediculous laws in this state. So your ok with a handgun roster, registration on handguns (about to be on rifles and shotguns as well), a safety test to buy a gun, no chance in having a SBR, having it up to a elected sheriff to give you a ccw and all the other asinine laws we are stuck with?

OneSevenDeuce
07-14-2010, 3:39 PM
I can hardly believe what I'm reading. Some of you are willing to go along with a state selling you your constitutional rights? And why? Just because it doesn't cost much, or is exceedingly easy? Didn't ya'll ever see 300? Earth and water, right? Maybe I'm being a bit dramatic about this, but to me, the HSC is there partly to remind each and every one of use that the state of California is GRANTING us the privilege of buying a handgun. Which means what? That they can take it away, or make it harder to get, any time they want. So when the state makes the fee $50, then what? Then $75? Some of you are missing the big picture here because you are so focused on "Well it's only $25, and it's a pretty easy test."

afro
07-14-2010, 5:21 PM
I agree of course, but it really could be much worse than a piss easy test and a few dollars. I think you're not looking at the entire picture either. It took the city of Chicago a Supreme Court case to force the allowance of purchasing a single pistol for inside the home, with that decision under attack by the Chicago politicians already. We very well could have not even had the 2nd Amendment written in our Constitution, let alone the Bill of Rights at all.

Be grateful for what we have, and fight to retake what was taken from us.

OneSevenDeuce
07-14-2010, 5:23 PM
I know what you are talking about. But just because I speak out against what I believe to be in injustice does not mean that I am not grateful things aren't worse here than they are. It's not an all or nothing proposition. Just because we aren't as bad as other places doesn't make things here right.

Homebrew2
07-14-2010, 5:58 PM
... Be grateful for what we have..

Impossible for me to do! I'm old. I remember how it was. I remember the "transition", and I remember when it changed. I'll never be grateful for having my 2A p!ssed away out from under me and left with something less than what I was born with!
(No malice to the poster, just malice to the words)
Cheers :)

winnre
07-14-2010, 6:09 PM
On the HSC test how many can you get wrong and still pass?

Lead-Thrower
07-14-2010, 6:47 PM
On the HSC test how many can you get wrong and still pass?

7 I believe.

heliopolissolutions
07-15-2010, 12:26 AM
I'm sorry, but I am extremely dissapointed in the things I'm reading in this thread.

I'd thought much better of some of you.

resident-shooter
07-15-2010, 8:22 AM
That test was a complete joke. I do not see how anyone can argue that this makes the world safer, it is just another thing to keep us from buying guns. And like others have said, it is not about the money, it is about the principle: you have to pay to practice your constitutional right, which turns it into a taxed privilege.

longhairchris
07-15-2010, 8:29 AM
I agree that the HSC is an unfair tax on our rights. I just got one a month ago (after a long hiatus of buying guns) so I could buy my G19. We shouldn't need to take a test to exercise our rights, the issue of safety lies with the consumer just like anything else. Now that the 2A is incorporated, maybe things will change.

I do take issue with the $25 it costs, because I'm cheap. I already paid my $25 (or whatever it was) "for life" when I got my stupid BFSC card. I think they owe me a refund for that, or better yet an exemption. For life.

Tahco Gunworks
07-15-2010, 8:40 AM
Some states had tests you had to take before you were allowed to vote too. Why? They wanted to keep certain people from voting. Could this state construct a test, or some other method, to keep people it doesn't like from buying handguns? Oh yeah.

I'm in full agreement of a test taken before you have the right to vote. Think about all the stupid people on welfare, sitting around on their butts, watching liberal TV news, and hearing of Obama and Pelosi promise them lower taxes (which they don't pay anyway), house credits, free cars etc.

Who gives a crap what they want? All these people do is consume and elect socialist presidents.

My voter plan is as follows:

Pass a test which shows you have a good understanding of economics and the Constitution. Thinking that the federal Gov't is nothing but a money machine isn't going to pass the exam.

Give those that contribute to our society a greater number of votes.

Bill Gates-100 votes. He has changed our world, and employed the most people than anyone else.

People who own a company with over 100 'legal' employees-25 votes

People who have a job (not govt)-5 votes

People who have a college education-2 votes

People who didn't finish high school-0 votes (well that screws Mississippi :D)

People who are in the movie industry- minus 10 votes

People who have the following names: Rosie O'Donnell, Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin, Obama, Barbara Striesand, and Sean Penn-minus 300 votes

Face it, when you have stupid people voting, you get stupid politicians.

Maybe I could run on this platform?:eek:

(oh yeah, I am in full support of the HSC and think it should cost $500, and be renewed yearly, and the test actually be designed to fail 90% of the applicants........................................ .................................................. ........................................for liberals)

j1133s
07-15-2010, 8:46 AM
Taco Gunworks, man, you are pretty messed up....
However, if you're going down that path, your system is way too complicated. You should just make each vote cost $1000 and unlimited votes per person. Way easier.

You don't quit understand the concept of democracy... so maybe you need to take a refresher on the constitution yourself ? Does that means you don't get to vote?


I'm in full agreement of a test taken before you have the right to vote. Think about all the stupid people on welfare, sitting around on their butts, watching liberal TV news, and hearing of Obama and Pelosi promise them lower taxes (which they don't pay anyway), house credits, free cars etc.

Who gives a crap what they want? All these people do is consume and elect socialist presidents.

My voter plan is as follows:

Pass a test which shows you have a good understanding of economics and the Constitution. Thinking that the federal Gov't is nothing but a money machine isn't going to pass the exam.

Give those that contribute to our society a greater number of votes.

Bill Gates-100 votes. He has changed our world, and employed the most people than anyone else.

People who own a company with over 100 'legal' employees-25 votes

People who have a job (not govt)-5 votes

People who have a college education-2 votes

People who didn't finish high school-0 votes (well that screws Mississippi :D)

People who are in the movie industry- minus 10 votes

People who have the following names: Rosie O'Donnell, Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin, Obama, Barbara Striesand, and Sean Penn-minus 300 votes

Face it, when you have stupid people voting, you get stupid politicians.

Maybe I could run on this platform?:eek:

(oh yeah, I am in full support of the HSC and think it should cost $500, and be renewed yearly, and the test actually be designed to fail 90% of the applicants........................................ .................................................. ........................................for liberals)

Vox
07-15-2010, 9:22 AM
Jesus lord almighty you guys will find the littlest crap to whine about, get a better job losers or move to another "better" state if you believe that.

The HSC stops alot of idiots from walking in and just buying a gun, they actually have to go and learn something first which probably does save more than a few incidents. Its a live in this state tax, you think it's cheaper in HI ? or you want to live in bleak flaming hot deserts or boring snowed in plains just to save 25 dollars every 5 years? if so your life is very small.

Mod needs to ban this thread.

hey, I take offense to that. I live in a flaming hot desert here in California lol

but seriously it's a petty infringement of the rkba that offers no real protection and costs enough to deter the poorest aspiring gun owners.

If I live by myself in a ****ty neighborhood and I want to buy a $200 revolver to protect myself it's not just this cost. it's 200 for my revolver, plus 25 for the HSC plus 25 for DROS plus the required trigger lock for, what? 15? plus tax, that $200 gun is going to cost you nearly 290 before you're out the door for ten days before you can pick it up, and that's before you've bought a single round of ammunition, at this point thats nearly 300 bucks for a psychological weapon and maybe a bludgeoning tool. that 25 bucks for the HSC could be your first box of ammunition.

and as was pointed out. Voter Literacy tests were decidedly illegal and unjustifiably burdensome, while the HSC test is not yet at that level there is a clear potential for it to become so.

"I'd rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

dfletcher
07-15-2010, 9:38 AM
are you guys still complaining about this stuff - damn, it's a gun. if this little test and fee deters you than your too weak kneed to own a gun anyway.

The test and the $$$ doesn't deter me, anyone who buys a handgun in this state pays more in DROS every time they buy a gun than the HSC card. Most states get along without it fine and so far as the "it's a gun" that's the same excuse legislators use to require a mag disconnect safety and LCI.

If a handgun is too dangerous for someone to handle I doubt a 5 minute test is going to change that fact.

Tahco Gunworks
07-15-2010, 1:21 PM
Taco Gunworks, man, you are pretty messed up....
However, if you're going down that path, your system is way too complicated. You should just make each vote cost $1000 and unlimited votes per person. Way easier.

You don't quit understand the concept of democracy... so maybe you need to take a refresher on the constitution yourself ? Does that means you don't get to vote?

And how is that Obama thing going for you anyway? How is that bleeding liberal California gov't working for you? Hmmmm, we have $13 trillion in debt, unchecked illegals flooding our country, a messed up healthcare plan, and bowing to 3rd world countries.

Again, stupid people should not vote. Make them take a test. Including you.

Yes, I think I understand a democracy, and also see the limits of it. As we allow more and more stupid illegals in this country, and give them full amnesty (it's coming), our country will vote more idiots which will surely bankrupt our country. Watch Greece and California, it's the future of the country.

"no votes for you!"

Tahco Gunworks
07-15-2010, 1:33 PM
It's racist to people who don't speak the language that the test is offered in.

You support a racist test that hinders civil rights to the minority.

You are racist toward minorities.

What do you got against minorities?

If the test prevents minorities from getting a gun, I say make the test harder!

The test is a joke, if you have to study for it you shouldn't own a gun in the first place.

The test is just another attempt by your gov't to rob your wallet and liberties.

OneSevenDeuce
07-15-2010, 1:36 PM
stupid people should not vote. Make them take a test.


What makes you think you aren't one of the stupid people? I said it once, I'll say it again. Everyone gnashes their teeth about all the stupid people in the world, well guess what? Everyone thinks all the OTHERS are stupid. Doesn't make it so.

Almost everyone I know complains about stupid people. Makes you think I surround myself with some real smart folks, huh? Nope. They are just like everyone else. Including you.

Tahco Gunworks
07-15-2010, 1:55 PM
What makes you think you aren't one of the stupid people? I said it once, I'll say it again. Everyone gnashes their teeth about all the stupid people in the world, well guess what? Everyone thinks all the OTHERS are stupid. Doesn't make it so.

Almost everyone I know complains about stupid people. Makes you think I surround myself with some real smart folks, huh? Nope. They are just like everyone else. Including you.

Actually, stupid people have made me very rich as they occupy my rental homes and apartments. So I guess you could say, I love stupid people. And I have the money to prove it.

I just don't think they should vote or reproduce.:eek:

Dr Rockso
07-15-2010, 1:59 PM
If the test prevents minorities from getting a gun, I say make the test harder!
...

Did that come out wrong or you just don't want armed racial minorities?

OneSevenDeuce
07-15-2010, 1:59 PM
Actually, stupid people have made me very rich as they occupy my rental homes and apartments. So I guess you could say, I love stupid people. And I have the money to prove it.

I just don't think they should vote or reproduce.:eek:

I didn't ask if you liked stupid people. I asked you why you can't tell that you are one too.

boxbro
07-15-2010, 2:05 PM
Just got back from the gun shop to take the HSC and fondle some pistols. That was the easiest test I think I've ever taken. I was literally laughing at some of the questions.

Ah well... 25 bucks well spent I guess.

Last time I took the test (about a year ago), I finished it in no time.
It was at Ade's, and the guy that watched me take it said he was sure that I had gotten several questions wrong with how quickly I got it done.
He was surprised that I got every question correct.
It was as easy as pie.

Cyc Wid It
07-15-2010, 2:13 PM
Last time I checked we had a surplus under Clinton. What happened when Bush took over? Enough with the crap already, take it elsewhere.

boxbro
07-15-2010, 2:16 PM
The safest place to keep a gun pointed is:
A. In the safest possible direction.
B. At your right ear.
C. At a school bus full of children.
D. At a case of dynamite and blasting caps.

E. All of the above except A.

Untamed1972
07-15-2010, 2:17 PM
Just serve 20+ years in the military and get a retired ID card. Automatic exemption. Save your 25 bucks.


Or take a PC 832 course at your local Community college. Will cost a bit more than $25, and take a little longer than 5 minutes, but it's good forever and you end up with a couple of college credits for it too.

aermotor
07-15-2010, 2:18 PM
The guys saying the will never own a handgun cause they don't support the HSC is laughable. You're protesting against nothing. Pick you battles better.

CalNRA
07-15-2010, 2:24 PM
If the test prevents minorities from getting a gun, I say make the test harder!

wtf?

Another Brady Troll?

Shady
07-15-2010, 2:24 PM
if quite a few people fail it . I am glad its there


look at it like your paying 25 bux so a moron wont be sold a handgun

OneSevenDeuce
07-15-2010, 2:34 PM
I have recently made a life decision. If you tell me you hate stupid people, or think that morons shouldn't do this or that, I will immediately assume that you are stupid because, well, you are.

The most dangerous idiot in the world is the idiot who thinks he is a genius. And guess what? Nearly all of us are idiots. In fact I think I only know of a few non idiots in the world. Carl Sagan was one. John Locke was another.

CalNRA
07-15-2010, 2:35 PM
if quite a few people fail it . I am glad its there


look at it like your paying 25 bux so a moron wont be sold a handgun

Good thing owning a gun doesn't require 4th grade English proficiency.

boxbro
07-15-2010, 2:36 PM
Or take a PC 832 course at your local Community college. Will cost a bit more than $25, and take a little longer than 5 minutes, but it's good forever and you end up with a couple of college credits for it too.

http://www.post.ca.gov/Training/pc832.asp

Requalification Requirement (Three Year Rule)

As specified in Commission Regulation 1080 (pdf), requalification of PC 832 training is required before exercising peace officer powers when:

* An individual does not become employed as a peace officer within three years of successful completion of PC 832 training, or
* An individual, completes PC 832 training, and subsequently has a three-year-or-longer break in service as a peace officer.

To requalify, an individual must successfully complete PC 832 Arrest and Firearms Requalification.

Does this mean it doesn't last forever ?

CalNRA
07-15-2010, 2:39 PM
I have recently made a life decision. If you tell me you hate stupid people, or think that morons shouldn't do this or that, I will immediately assume that you are stupid because, well, you are.

The most dangerous idiot in the world is the idiot who thinks he is a genius. And guess what? Nearly all of us are idiots. In fact I think I only know of a few non idiots in the world. Carl Sagan was one. John Locke was another.

yep.

We are all stupid to someone else.

To the Diane Feinsteins and Michael Bloombergs of the world, no one who is below their social "level" is smart enough to own a gun. Hence why they are trying to keep guns out of "stupid" people's hands. That happens to cover 99.999 percent of Americans.

OneSevenDeuce
07-15-2010, 2:40 PM
yep.

We are all stupid to someone else.

To the Diane Feinsteins and Michael Bloombergs of the world, no one who is below their social "level" is smart enough to own a gun. Hence why they are trying to keep guns out of "stupid" people's hands. That happens to cover 99.999 percent of Americans.

This hits the nail on the head.

dfletcher
07-15-2010, 2:40 PM
wtf?

Another Brady Troll?

Who knows - there's a "Tah Co Gunworks" website out of TX.

CalNRA
07-15-2010, 2:41 PM
Who knows - there's a "Tah Co Gunworks" website out of TX.

unless he mis-spoke, I would guess he is a Brad Troll trying to paint Calguns as "full of racist nutjobs".

Cyc Wid It
07-15-2010, 2:46 PM
More likely he's one of those racist nutjobs, and there are plenty in these parts.

Tahco Gunworks
07-15-2010, 2:52 PM
unless he mis-spoke, I would guess he is a Brad Troll trying to paint Calguns as "full of racist nutjobs".

Racist? OMG, I am no more racist than 'the black caucus, the new black panther party, BET, hispanic chamber of commerce, NAACP, etc.

Wait, yes I'm probably a little racist. So what?

It's okay to tear down the US flag on May 5th and raise the Mexican flag for pride?

To prevent white voters from voting in Philadelphia is black pride?

But to be a member of the Tea Party is an act of racist?

The difference between me and some of you liberals who act as conservatives is, I'm not afraid to speak my opinion, and I think the 1st amendment allows this.

Problem is with you progressive types is the minute you hear of an opinion different than yours, you want to shut them up and attack.

Again, make the test harder, stupid people shouldn't have guns. Seen too many stupid things happen with tragic results because of this.

Now relax, some of you are way too uptight.

OneSevenDeuce
07-15-2010, 2:54 PM
Yup, he's a troll.

Tahco Gunworks
07-15-2010, 2:57 PM
Yup, he's a troll.

You learn that response from Pelosi?

DKlaw
07-15-2010, 2:58 PM
Again, stupid people should not vote. Make them take a test. Including you.


"no votes for you!"

And who gets the privilege of writing and grading the test? Do I trust you? Would you trust me?

Tests like this are a Bad Idea, whether applied to handgun safety or voting rights.

OneSevenDeuce
07-15-2010, 3:01 PM
You learn that response from Pelosi?

Blar blar blar. That's all I'm hearing from you. +ignored+

CalNRA
07-15-2010, 3:04 PM
Yup, he's a troll.

yep.

Tahco Gunworks
07-15-2010, 3:19 PM
Thank god for California Public Schools, whose motto is:

I may be dumb but I ain't 'sputid'

Lighten up Kids....

Chris M
07-15-2010, 3:34 PM
I just don't think they should vote or reproduce.:eek:

Who's going to set the standards? The government? :rolleyes:

Vox
07-15-2010, 3:43 PM
Or take a PC 832 course at your local Community college. Will cost a bit more than $25, and take a little longer than 5 minutes, but it's good forever and you end up with a couple of college credits for it too.

I took that last semester and my teacher told me it was only good for a couple years if you don't get hired on by someone in which you are using that certification. same with the POST modular classes I'm taking Level II allows you to be a reserve Sheriff deputy or a reserve Police officer but you have to either get hired on or take the test every year

joedogboy
07-15-2010, 4:14 PM
Heck, I can't even buy a handgun in CA because I don't have an HSC. I refuse to support it so I'll never buy a handgun.

Why not just show them a copy of your DD214? Or does that not work any more?

OneSevenDeuce
07-15-2010, 4:15 PM
Why not just show them a copy of your DD214? Or does that not work any more?

Doesn't work.

leelaw
07-15-2010, 4:23 PM
Who knows - there's a "Tah Co Gunworks" website out of TX.

Englewood, Colorado is a ways from texas.

joedogboy
07-15-2010, 4:24 PM
If it truly provides a public benefit, then it should be free. All costs should be covered by the Brady campaign, or come out of the paychecks of our state legislators.

Maybe we could include firearms safety courses (as designed by the NRA - the world's acknowledged leader in firearms safety courses) in K-14 public education (that means include such courses in high school, as well as providing them with no extra fees, at community colleges).

I mean, it is for the "public good", right? And the public as a whole benefits, right?

DROS and background check fees should also be covered by the public as a whole, since they benefit the public. I don't need a background check to know that I am not a criminal or nutcase, so why should I have to pay to prove that I am innocent?

dfletcher
07-15-2010, 7:39 PM
Englewood, Colorado is a ways from texas.

OK, I was guessing from the website's reference to "local TX residents" but was just a SWAG - I'm guessing you computer types have ways. ;)