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NaughtyMonkey
06-29-2010, 9:44 PM
A rack Grade National Postal Meter. I had to post it here because I'm so excited! lol. And Anxious, sent everything in yesterday and I already can't wait!

Will post pictures when I get it, Also where would be the best place to buy California legal Mags for it?

-Thanks.

joedogboy
06-29-2010, 10:10 PM
What a great way to celebrate the McDonald decision!

NaughtyMonkey
06-30-2010, 12:26 AM
What a great way to celebrate the McDonald decision!

I No Right!!! lol.

Flintlock Tom
06-30-2010, 7:38 AM
Have you started checking your e-mail every 10 minutes for the "Don't Bug Us" message?

The wait is agonizing.

shmeare
06-30-2010, 7:41 AM
please post pic and total lead time!!!! I was thinking about getting one too!

brianinca
06-30-2010, 8:04 AM
I bought one ProMag
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=764342
last one they had at the time, probably the best of the 10 rd mags. This was ~2+ years ago when the Italian carbines first came in. I prefer mags WITHOUT the bolt hold open follower, mostly useless like on a Remington 742 type rifle. Doesn't speed reloading, makes it hard for my kids to pull the mags out.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=87742
Not sure if these are the same mags after all this time, but I bought a bunch of 5 and 10 rd mags here, I was planning on 2 or 3 of the CMP carbines at the time.

Bought some with parts and springs from Fulton
http://www.fulton-armory.com/MCarbParts.htm

I'd suggest picking up an extractor/plunger/spring and a bolt dis-assembly device, and a spring kit http://e-sarcoinc.com/search.aspx?find=CRB137

Regards,
Brian in CA

johnny_22
06-30-2010, 8:29 AM
I bought my 10 round and 5 round magazines from Fulton. But, many here say boycott Fulton, due to the way they handled the early OLL sales to Ten-Percent Firearms.

NaughtyMonkey
06-30-2010, 10:58 AM
Yes I have been checking my email like crazy. I will post how long and pictures when it's here. Thanks for the info on the mags.

lima3/3
06-30-2010, 11:32 AM
Enjoy the wait... LOL! just got mine, a Saginaw S'G'
Order sent In: 5/25 (snail mail)
Order received: 6/1
DBU: 6/7
Both opened 6/24
CC hit 6/24
Shipped 6/26

Serial #: 1840xxx w/Buffalo Arms barrel 8-1943


Over all very clean, stock was sound but DRY.... looks good now long soak in BLO and buffing with Gunnypaste

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac50/lima3three/Saginaw/100_3737.jpg?t=1277925962

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac50/lima3three/Saginaw/100_3735.jpg?t=1277926015

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac50/lima3three/Saginaw/100_3740.jpg?t=1277926301
1st time to the range.. sights at 0 and center at 50 yrds. 1st mag 10rnds. not bad for a racker!
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac50/lima3three/Saginaw/Img_0905.jpg

NaughtyMonkey
06-30-2010, 2:27 PM
So I have a month. :( ooh well should be worth it. I'm super impatient. Lol.

.22guy
06-30-2010, 2:32 PM
Waiting is half the fun. Pass the time by ordering ammo, sling, oiler, cleaning supplies, a bayonet, reproduction carrying bag, etc....

NaughtyMonkey
06-30-2010, 3:09 PM
If I had the money I'd love to order all that stuff. But that stuff will have to wait.

NaughtyMonkey
07-04-2010, 9:53 PM
Some of you were talking about getting an email. Should i have goten one by now?

NorcalGSG
07-04-2010, 10:23 PM
You get your DBU (don't bug us) email after CMP receives your order, and places it in the "line" of other orders. It doesn't mean that your order is sent yet, just that they got your order, and they will get to it, once your turn in line is up. Once your order goes to the wherehouse, you'll get another email that the order has been filled with a tracking number, and fedex should arrive in 1-2 days! So yeah, looks like they are running about a month give or take lead time right now. Congrats, its really fun!!!!!!

NaughtyMonkey
07-04-2010, 10:31 PM
Thanks for the info havnt gotton the dbu yet lol

NaughtyMonkey
07-09-2010, 5:19 PM
Ok so I got this email a little bit ago, I'm so excited!!!

"CMP ORD RECEV 7-01-10

We have received and verified your recent order. Your order will now advance to our sales area and from there to our shipping area. Please note, that unless otherwise listed, our order to ship time is at least 60 to 90 days. You will receive other emails as the order progresses.


Your customer # is ----------. Please use this customer # in any communications with us concerning the order as that is where all of your information is stored.

Thank you for your order and support of our program."

Russ661
07-09-2010, 5:30 PM
That is your DBU. It doesn't mean you are locked in yet though. If they run out of what you ordered they will contact you and explain your options. I know, it happened to me! If you want to get stuff faster you have to go to one of the CMP stores in person but that can be hazardous to your personal financial well being! :p

NaughtyMonkey
07-09-2010, 5:39 PM
I was just worried I didn't do something right, so I'm happy about that. Hahaha the stores are too far away for me to go. lol. I just want a carbine, I'd prefer the National Postal Meter, but if I have to get an Underwood, I'm cool with that. They give anything special for them running out?

Russ661
07-09-2010, 6:24 PM
They give anything special for them running out?

No. They will tell you what is still available and let you choose. In my case I ordered a Bavarian Forestry Police. They ran out before they got to my order so they offered the Bavarian Rural Police, one of the remaining 2 types of rack grade carbines or I could cancel my order. I chose the Rural Police; it arrived at my home this morning. By way of comparison, I got my DBU on 6/8.
5/27 snail mailed order for Forestry Police
6/1 Order received
6/8 DBU
6/29 Out of Stock Notification
7/1 Spoke with Janet in CS. Rural Police on order! E-store hit! CC hit!
7/8 E-Store shows shipped!
7/9 Delivered

NaughtyMonkey
07-10-2010, 2:31 AM
Alrighty, well thanks for that info. Much Appreciated. :)

B&B Armory
07-10-2010, 3:02 PM
I just odered a Bavarian Rural Police rack grade. Who was the manufacturer of your carbine and how was the condition of the carbine in general when received. Would apprecite it if you could post some pics.

Thanks.

Russ661
07-10-2010, 3:31 PM
Sorry, I'm out of state on business and haven't even seen it myself!

RudyN
07-10-2010, 7:45 PM
I have a Saginaw SG Service Grade. I think you will really enjoy your carbine, have fun! Here are a couple of pictures to keep you company until your's get to you.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u74/Rudy43Norvelle/CURIO%20AND%20RELIC/IMG_1289.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u74/Rudy43Norvelle/CURIO%20AND%20RELIC/IMG_1292.jpg

dirtracer24
07-10-2010, 9:58 PM
I bought my 10 round and 5 round magazines from Fulton. But, many here say boycott Fulton, due to the way they handled the early OLL sales to Ten-Percent Firearms.

my lower for my ar is a fulton, I havent heard of any issues with them. please explain you got me nervous now thanks

That is your DBU. It doesn't mean you are locked in yet though. If they run out of what you ordered they will contact you and explain your options. I know, it happened to me! If you want to get stuff faster you have to go to one of the CMP stores in person but that can be hazardous to your personal financial well being! :p

do you happen to know if there is a cmp store in california? they show addresses in alabama, if theres one here i should just go get the divorce papers myself and spare her the trouble.

Milsurp Collector
07-11-2010, 12:53 AM
my lower for my ar is a fulton, I havent heard of any issues with them. please explain you got me nervous now thanks

It's not a quality issue. When the off list lowers were first being sold in California, Fulton Armory was intimidated by the CA Dept. of Justice, got nervous, and canceled a pre-sold shipment at the last minute. See

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=281967&postcount=32

do you happen to know if there is a cmp store in california? they show addresses in alabama, if theres one here i should just go get the divorce papers myself and spare her the trouble.

The only CMP stores are in Alabama and Ohio.

NaughtyMonkey
07-11-2010, 12:03 PM
If there was one in California. I'd already have my carbine. Or 3 couple more garands. I'd live in the store. Hell maybe even have a better job. Lol.

JaMail
07-11-2010, 12:16 PM
i think if there was a CMP store in california, it would be sold out 24/7

NaughtyMonkey
07-11-2010, 12:49 PM
Well if they were smart. They would do that though. Make some money lol.

Russ661
07-18-2010, 1:36 PM
I just odered a Bavarian Rural Police rack grade. Who was the manufacturer of your carbine and how was the condition of the carbine in general when received. Would apprecite it if you could post some pics.

Thanks. Check your PMs.



I got a National Postal Meter, 1.48 million serial range, with a 1-43 dated Underwood barrel in what looks to be fairly good shape; sorry, no gages. I'm going thru it now to see what I got so maybe later I'll post up some pictures. So far I am pretty sure I have the original high wood stock (!) but not the original handguard and what appears to be the original trigger housing and correct internals. The slide is marked with the last 4 of the serial but appears to be a very early Inland Type IV. Type I barrel band.

OK, enough of this! I need to get back to work on my carbine!

Russ

NaughtyMonkey
07-27-2010, 11:05 AM
Just got an email. My Fed Ex Tracking number!!!! Just like 10 minutes ago, says my Carbine will be delivered tomorrow!!!! WOOT!! I'm so excited!

mls343
07-27-2010, 11:56 AM
It's sweaty palms time! Congratulations!

Isn't it great that the Government can send you rifles and ammo right to your front door!

Enjoy your new rifle.

NaughtyMonkey
07-27-2010, 2:08 PM
I wish I could fast forward time and thanks.

InFamous20
07-27-2010, 3:17 PM
I wish I could fast forward time and thanks.

Do post pics sir. When it arrives...of course.

NaughtyMonkey
07-27-2010, 3:31 PM
Will do!!!!!!

Milsurp Collector
07-27-2010, 3:38 PM
Make sure an adult is available all day tomorrow to sign for it.

NaughtyMonkey
07-27-2010, 5:39 PM
The fed ex site says it will be here by 10:30 am tomorrow. Will being 18 count or do you have to be 21?

Milsurp Collector
07-27-2010, 6:16 PM
18 or over.

NaughtyMonkey
07-27-2010, 6:18 PM
Awesome I'm old enough lol.

bongfoo
07-27-2010, 6:27 PM
1 month??? thats it!!??!! GOD, i had to wait like 5 months to get my garand!

NaughtyMonkey
07-27-2010, 7:10 PM
I think the cmp has been getting less orders so they can go threw then faster.

InFamous20
07-27-2010, 10:11 PM
God some day I'm going to get a carbine. As a college student I find it a little bit hard to decide wether my money should go towards tuition or vintage rifles :43:

NaughtyMonkey
07-28-2010, 8:17 AM
Vintage rifles for sure. Who cares about an education :-o it's on the fed ex truck.

Rule .308
07-28-2010, 8:20 AM
Yeah, I am pretty much worthless at work until after the Fed Ex truck shows with my rifle. I have picked up 3 carbines and a new Garand over the past 2-3 years. It is near impossible to go wrong with a CMP purchase.

NaughtyMonkey
07-28-2010, 11:28 AM
I got it about 30 minutes ago and I'll take pictures in a bit. But I been trying to find a website that tells me the manufacture date off of the serial number. Can't find anything, Stupid google.

NaughtyMonkey
07-28-2010, 12:11 PM
So I field stripped and the only rust or anything dirty I found at all was behind the butt plate. Everything else is so clean I'm amazed. The stock has a Star and says "FAT 70" I dont no what it means. But its a National Postal Meter. The sights have an SA on it, Springfield Armory? Didn't no they made M1 Carbines stuff. The trigger group says "Inland" I have checked all the other parts and there is no markings at all. The bolt and barrel for example have no markings at all that I can see. Does that mean its new? The bore and the inside of the barrel looks BRAND NEW!!!!


Ok the Bolt has and "N 14" on it.

Timbob55
07-28-2010, 1:01 PM
The FAT 70 indicates that it was once used by the Italian Army. Mine has it too.

Mine is an Inland with a really nice clean potbelly stock.

Anxious to see the pics

Milsurp Collector
07-28-2010, 1:30 PM
But I been trying to find a website that tells me the manufacture date off of the serial number. Can't find anything, Stupid google.

Don't blame Google. There is no online source listing accurate information for all manufacturers regarding serial number vs. manufacturing date. If your carbine has a dated barrel and it is the original barrel that can give you an idea. NPM used mostly Underwood and Buffalo Arms barrels and they are usually dated. Look right behind the front sight.

Your bolt is a NPM bolt. Your rear sight was indeed made at the Springfield Armory. It was upgraded during a post-World War II rebuild.

bongfoo
07-28-2010, 3:09 PM
still waiting on pixs!please post some gun porn

NaughtyMonkey
07-28-2010, 7:13 PM
I'll post pictures tomorrow. My barrel says "Marlin" on it. No date though. Double stamped. Hard to read but you can. It looks brand new. Like the barrel has never had a shot through it.

Don't blame Google. There is no online source listing accurate information for all manufacturers regarding serial number vs. manufacturing date. If your carbine has a dated barrel and it is the original barrel that can give you an idea. NPM used mostly Underwood and Buffalo Arms barrels and they are usually dated. Look right behind the front sight.

Your bolt is a NPM bolt. Your rear sight was indeed made at the Springfield Armory. It was upgraded during a post-World War II rebuild.

And thanks for the information.

mosinnagantm9130
07-28-2010, 11:14 PM
What are the first four numbers of the serial number? I might be able to tell you when it was built.

Milsurp Collector
07-29-2010, 12:43 AM
I'll post pictures tomorrow. My barrel says "Marlin" on it. No date though. Double stamped. Hard to read but you can. It looks brand new. Like the barrel has never had a shot through it.



NPM did use some barrels from Marlin, so it could be the original barrel. Most carbines seem to have their original barrels, and the barrels are usually in pretty good shape, probably because the USGI ammo was non-corrosive.

As mentioned earlier, the FAT stamp means the carbine was refurbished at Fabbrica d'Armi Terni, which is the Italian equivalent of the (original) Springfield Armory. My IBM carbine from the CMP also has a FAT-stamped stock. The Italians took pretty good care of the carbines; the Italian returns were generally in very good condition. Look for manufacturer markings in the sling well of the stock. The handguard marking is on the bottom side that fits against the stock.

You can see the FAT stamp on Carcano rifles made at Terni http://www.exordinanza.net/schede/carcano41.htm

http://www.exordinanza.net/foto/Carcano9141marchiculatta.jpg

NaughtyMonkey
07-29-2010, 4:13 PM
I posted some pictures and stuff here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=4697977#post4697977 and thanks for the link Milsurp Collector and I Posted the 4 digits of the serial number, mosinnagantm9130.

Milsurp Collector
07-29-2010, 4:27 PM
Approximate assembly date is Sept.-Nov. 1943.

NaughtyMonkey
07-29-2010, 4:28 PM
Ok thanks. Any ideas on the barrel? I thought all Carbines had the date on the barrel?

Milsurp Collector
07-29-2010, 4:34 PM
Ok thanks. Any ideas on the barrel? I thought all Carbines had the date on the barrel?

No, many original carbine barrels are undated. Some manufacturers like Winchester, IBM, and Rock-Ola dated their barrels early on and then dropped the practice.

NaughtyMonkey
07-29-2010, 4:38 PM
ooo ok. Thanks for clearing that up. Well like I've said it looks like its never been used, its shiny inside. lol. Did the carbines have less parts marked then the Garands?

Milsurp Collector
07-29-2010, 4:45 PM
Did the carbines have less parts marked then the Garands?

Actually, almost every part on a M1 Carbine is marked, including small parts like the extractor and magazine catch.

Get out your magnifying glass and download this datasheet http://www.carbineclub.com/DataSheet_7_01_08a.pdf

NaughtyMonkey
07-29-2010, 4:58 PM
Ok I will, I just did a quick inspection to check for rust, I'll take a closer look at the parts. And I'll post here or PM you. That is a cool data sheet.

Milsurp Collector
07-29-2010, 5:28 PM
If you check out this thread http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=301447 you can see some typical markings

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/LateWarInland/DSC02797.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/LateWarInland/DSC02798.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/LateWarInland/3418cbcc.jpg

NaughtyMonkey
07-29-2010, 5:37 PM
Thanks for sharing me that post and where some stuff is Marked. I'm going to take it apart right now haha. I'm curious now lol.

Milsurp Collector
07-29-2010, 5:54 PM
I'm going to take it apart right now haha. I'm curious now lol.

You'll need a carbine bolt tool to take the bolt apart and put it back together, so leave that for now.

To take the trigger group apart you'll have to remove the hammer spring. This is a thread I made that shows how to reinstall the spring, removal is the opposite.

http://www.thecmp.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1511

The trick is to always remove and install the spring from the right side of the hammer. Make sure you take it apart in a small room like a bathroom so if a spring goes flying away it will be easy to find. Don't ask me how I know. ;)

NaughtyMonkey
07-29-2010, 6:18 PM
Thanks for the tips and the links. lol. I wasn't going to ask. Don't think I want to no lol. But I Found this which is really helpful: http://www.thecmp.org/pdfs/Carbine_Parts_Marking_Information.pdf

Jeeze there were so many tiny companies lol. Its amazing.