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TonyNorCal
04-06-2006, 11:24 AM
I was going to post this next week when all was said and done...

Also, my understanding was that individually purchased lowers were being treated differently than the group buy...so I didn't want to generate false hope in what was already a highly frustrating situation.

Here is my story...

"9 Global Trades AK receivers come home"

On January 12th I purchase 9 Global Trades 1.6mm AK receivers. I paid directly and had them shipped to Rob Blank (RMD Enterprises). They arrived and all was right with the world. I had a DROS running for 15 items and was filling the remaining slots with AR receivers and an IMBEL. My items arrived and my 10 day wait was up and I didn't go pick-up immediately. Had I done so I wouldn't have been in this predicament. But hindsight is 20/20 and I procrastinated and thus condemned my AK receivers to the odyssey that follows...

In late January, I forget the exact date...but it was a lovely Friday morning...I get a call from Rob. He's been told by someone who knows someone at the DOJ that they are treating AK receivers differently than others and he is very sorry, but he just isn't comfortable doing the transfer. I like Rob and I understand...so worst case is he sends them back to Global and they send them to another FFL...ok, no big deal. I will come down today and pick-up my AR lowers and my IMBEL:) .

So, I arrive Friday afternoon. The group buy is in full swing and the office buzzes with the positive energy of evil black rifleness. My oh my. I talk to Rob and pick up my receivers. He is very apologetic about the AKs and even gives me a major price break on my fees for a future DROS (didn't even occur to me to ask, he just offered). So he'll send the AKs back and they'll go from Global to another FFL. I leave around 330-400ish.

*Iggy time*

Within 10-20 minutes of my leaving Iggy arrives with two agents in tow. Rob says Iggy was wearing his sidearm in a low slung tactical holster like he was ready to scale a wall. I didn't see them, but I kinda wish I'd stayed as I would have liked to. Evidently they are there looking for Wilson Tactical lowers. Rob tells me that had they found any they would have taken him to jail. This is frightening as Wilson Tactical's are as legal as any other. Well, Iggy didn't seem to think so. So luckily for Rob there were none to be had. One of the group buy buyers had a CCW (legal), the agents noticed, and he was hassled somewhat about ('why he needs it' or something to that effect').

So the DOJ's finest were there, all dressed up, and nobody to take to jail.

So they search Rob's office. And, we all know what happened. The safe was 'too small' and the lowers were out. So, off they went to the DOJ for safekeeping.

Rob had placed my AK receivers in a box (ready for return to Global) and put them on a shelf. As they rummage about one of the agents found them. He looks them over and proceeds to ask Rob if he know's what this 'third hole' is for. Rob isn't familiar with AKs and doesn't. Well, the agent tells him, it's for a full auto conversion. So the AK receivers are taken as well...off to the Santa Clara Sheriff's firearms lab for evaluation.

So I find all this out over the next few days. Needless to say, I am somewhat paranoid and fresh out of tinfoil to boot. The AK receivers have an invoice with my name on it. If the DOJ really believes they are machine gun receivers...well, I have visions of imminent catastrophe...

Never mind that all this is preposterous. In order to believe these are machine gun receivers you'd have to believe that Global is sending out illegal receivers. Rob also mentioned that the agents implied maybe they had been modified in the office:rolleyes: (the Globals aren't finished and have tool marks)

So I call the President of Global Trades, Jimmy Streetman (great guy). I explain the situation. Now, sitting in Texas it's likely he felt somewhat incredulous. He informs me that the 3rd hole is, um, for a selector switch. He agrees to fax Rob photos of a full auto receiver and a semi-auto one...and then Rob can pass these along to the firearms experts at the DOJ. Nothing like the citizenry assisting law enforcement:p .

*the long wait*

So now the DOJ has my receivers and everyone else's. I call the DOJ. Actually I call the special agent who left contact info with Rob. He calls back (they also do, I must give them credit). I am told they are 'looking in to some things and will get back to me'. So begins a long wait. (P.S. Never heard another thing about the full-auto bit and I never brought it up again).

So as time goes on my calls to the DOJ increase. I talk multiple times to the special agent. He is always professional and courteous. Yet he says very little. Reveals little info. Most questions of mine are answered with variations and derivatives of "I don't know yet", "Can't answer that", etc.

I talk to field reps and supervisors and the property control lady...all to no avail:(

Time goes on...

So one day I decide I am going to talk to Alison Merrilees. I call and ask for her extension. I am put through to her voicemail and tell her my sad story.

About 430 that afternoon (this is a Friday) my cell rings (caller ID blocked). I answer. "Can I speak with Anthony?", says a female voice. "Who's calling?". "Alison Merrilees"....DOH!...it took me a few seconds to mentally compose myself...I was a bit nervous. After all, this is THE Alison Merilees. She's famous among these parts and she's calling me. I recover quickly. I tell her the story...I paid for them, have an invoice, etc. She is very nice and tells me to fax her the info. Thanks for calling me and yes I will.

The following week I fax over a letter summarizing my situation and a fax of the invoice from Global showing the serial numbers. I also fax my newly acquired COE just for a little extra uumph.

45 minutes after the I send the fax my phone rings. It's the special agent. He informs me that they've looked into matters and my receivers can be released. Just like that? Apparently Alison can make things happen. I am freakin giddy....woohooo! (This was about three weeks ago.)

The special agent is going on vacation or something, but an assistant will ship them back to Rob. Is this really happening? *pinches self*

A week goes by, no receivers. Another few days pass. I call back. I am informed they were sent out. Well, they should be there already. The special agent does some investigating and finds they were sent to Global Trades rather than Rob. Evidently there was a mix-up. I don't care. I am ecstatic all the same.

The receivers have left the building!

And the DOJ didn't bill me for shipping!

I call Global and they promptly send them back to Rob. I drive to Milpitas last week to start a DROS.

The receivers landed in Milpitas this Tuesday.

This has to be the longest trek that a Global Trades receiver has been on in order to be purchased...

-From Global to Rob...
-From Rob to the Santa Clara County Sheriffs (assuming that actually happened)...
-Two months visiting with the DOJ and making friends with all the confiscated AR lowers...
- From the DOJ back to Global...
- And now from global back to Rob...

I am just happy it's over. I am happy and I hope all of you have the same result

FreedomIsNotFree
04-06-2006, 11:29 AM
Congrats Tony....!!!

Thats a definite win for the good guys!

bu-bye
04-06-2006, 11:40 AM
great to hear

capitol
04-06-2006, 12:10 PM
WOW, thats some story. I'm happy it went your way.

Stanze
04-06-2006, 12:20 PM
It burns me up that in Free America these receivers are 4473, then "cash and carry".:mad:

Good news, I hope everyone that engaged in lawful business gets their private property ASAP.

kantstudien
04-06-2006, 12:28 PM
One of the group buy buyers had a CCW (legal), the agents noticed, and he was hassled somewhat about ('why he needs it' or something to that effect').

Good story, but how would the agents notice a CONCEALED carry weapon unless the carrier didn't know a damn thing about how to carry?

Choptop
04-06-2006, 12:34 PM
I One of the group buy buyers had a CCW (legal), the agents noticed, and he was hassled somewhat about ('why he needs it' or something to that effect').

Answer - "None of your business Mr. DOJ agent."

m1371
04-06-2006, 12:34 PM
Congrats on getting your receivers back.

This just strikes me as being more evidence of how f-'ed up the whole concept of assault weapon legislation is. Even the DOJ, which is "supposedly" in charge of enforcing the AW laws, can't tell what's legal and what's not. Freaking unbelievable..... and yet it isn't.

On a side note, did this particular item bother anyone else?


One of the group buy buyers had a CCW (legal), the agents noticed, and he was hassled somewhat about ('why he needs it' or something to that effect').

xenophobe
04-06-2006, 12:36 PM
. So the AK receivers are taken as well...off to the Santa Clara Sheriff's firearms lab for evaluation.

Actually, the SCCO Crime Lab has nothing to do with the Sheriff's office, but I'll have to ask about your receivers. If they went to the SCCO Crime Lab, I know who inspected them and gave them the thumbs up... I'll post when I know more.

Richard
04-06-2006, 12:54 PM
Glad to hear it worked out for you......but man ,I couldn't imagine the emotional rollercoaster you were going thru. The fact that you were on the DOJ's radar (without merit) must have really worked you.



hey pm'd you

TonyNorCal
04-06-2006, 12:55 PM
Thanks guys.

Re: the CCW issue...I don't know how they noticed. Rob related that to me. He said something to the effect of they noticed somehow.

Re: the firearms lab location...thanks Xeno. This is what Rob said the agent told him...was that they were going there for eval,...whether or not that actually happened I don't know. I would also be curious to find out whether someone from the firearms lab actually looked at them.

bwiese
04-06-2006, 1:16 PM
Afterall, they had come to arrest Rob if the Wilson Tacticals were there. (This is what Rob tells me.). Now, think about that. Wilson Tacticals should be as legal as any other receiver. Wilson Tactical is a DIFFERENT company than the named/banned Wilson Combat. So had the Wilsons been there Rob might have spent a weekend in jail and been put through all sorts unpleasant travails.

Well that's Iggy for you. He throws charges around and maybe 25%-30% of them stick (probably a lot of those are 'gimmes' anyway, and I'd bet those are non-FFL busts). The number of FFLs in NorCal with felony charges filed by Iggy but later rejected by either his bosses or thrown out of court is pretty high.

I believe the DOJ is clued in now to the Wilson Tactical situation, though: two different Wilsons, two different companies, two different 07FFLs. Much different than Armalite/Eagle AR10 situation.

TonyNorCal
04-06-2006, 1:46 PM
Glad to hear it worked out for you......but man ,I couldn't imagine the emotional rollercoaster you were going thru. The fact that you were on the DOJ's radar (without merit) must have really worked you.



hey pm'd you



heh thanks ......


I was paranoid there for a spell. The DOJ had my receivers, an invoice with my name, and had stated that they believed them to be full-auto .

Now, while logically I knew I was in the right I was, needless to say, still a bit worried at times.

Afterall, they had come to arrest Rob if the Wilson Tacticals were there. (This is what Rob tells me.). Now, think about that. Wilson Tacticals should be as legal as any other receiver. Wilson Tactical is a DIFFERENT company than the named/banned Wilson Combat. So had the Wilsons been there Rob might have spent a weekend in jail and been put through all sorts unpleasant travails.

I was also initially a bit scared to call the DOJ and ask for them back. I was able to convince myself rather quickly that logically I was in the right and thus called...but of course, there was some lingering anxiety.

When I called I just handled it as professionally, courteously, and matter of factly has possible. I purchased these lawfully, the FFL is in compliance, etc.

Wulf
04-06-2006, 3:12 PM
Good story, but how would the agents notice a CONCEALED carry weapon unless the carrier didn't know a damn thing about how to carry?

I know the CCW'er and he knows well and good how to carry; he's also trained extensively and is squared away in every respect. He's one of the few people I've ever met who I trust completely to handle loaded weapons around me.

He was wearing a fanny pack at the time which is how the agents noticed. He's well aware of the limitations and downsides of that carry method but it works for him and his situation.

artherd
04-06-2006, 3:13 PM
Hi Tony, glad it all worked out! I edited your thread title a little for clairity.

xenophobe
04-06-2006, 3:36 PM
Re: the firearms lab location...thanks Xeno. This is what Rob said the agent told him...was that they were going there for eval,...whether or not that actually happened I don't know. I would also be curious to find out whether someone from the firearms lab actually looked at them.

The SCCO Crime Lab is an office of the Santa Clara County District Attorney, not the Sheriff's Dept. If they were taken there, I assure you, they would have bluntly told DOJ that they're off their rocker. ;)

Ford8N
04-06-2006, 4:08 PM
Congrats on getting back your receivers. Now maybe folks can show their FFL's that even the much feared Alison Merrilees thinks Global Trades AK's are LEGAL!

hawk1
04-06-2006, 4:20 PM
Uh, I think, you owe Merrilees some flowers...I believe roses are a girls best friend....:p

HeHateMe
04-06-2006, 5:17 PM
Flowers? Hells no! TonyNorCal should be getting a signed apology from Merrilees and she should return our confiscated lowers!! I don't get flowers for just doing my job.

Pablo
04-06-2006, 7:33 PM
heh thanks ......


I was paranoid there for a spell. The DOJ had my receivers, an invoice with my name, and had stated that they believed them to be full-auto .



It just amaze me how this people (the DOJ) who are suppose to be experts in reality are just a bunch clowns. http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_clown.gif I saw a pic of your receivers Tony and the DOJ "experts" got confused because they thought that the third hole was for the auto sear. There's no way that someone will confuse that hole with an auto sear since that whole was in a different position. http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_freak.gif Also, a real expert would have look a the inside of the receiver since the right side rail needs to be cut for the auto sear to stick through.
Anyway I'm glad you finally recover your receivers. :)

NoTime2Shoot
04-06-2006, 7:38 PM
Uh, I think, you owe Merrilees some flowers...I believe roses are a girls best friend....:p

:D

Imagine, in your minds eye....

The DOJ office.......

2 dozen roses are delivered, signed; "With Love, Calguns."

:eek:

stator
04-06-2006, 8:54 PM
I know the CCW'er and he knows well and good how to carry; he's also trained extensively and is squared away in every respect. He's one of the few people I've ever met who I trust completely to handle loaded weapons around me.

He was wearing a fanny pack at the time which is how the agents noticed. He's well aware of the limitations and downsides of that carry method but it works for him and his situation.

Yep, I spotted the fanny-pack dude when I was there. Pretty obvious as Rob's place is pretty far from the Castro district in SF. Lots of fanny packs in SF on parade day too.

drawn
04-06-2006, 9:18 PM
I bet you won't procrastinat this time.

dhl
04-08-2006, 12:02 PM
Anyone got a picture of Iggy? Just want to know what he looks like so we can all stop by & say "HEELLOOO MF#$%" when we see him at the mall or restaurant. This guy sure has an ego & ballz bigger than coconuts. I'm sure he's not hard to miss in a shopping mall crowd.....he's the one with the tactical ballz holster strapped to his leg.... Just my thought! I need to see an anger management specialist.:mad:

Hi Wokmaster1,

I think if the DOJ read's your comment it won't actually help matters for firearms owners.

Remember, legal firearms owners are the good guys. We are within the law. Cursing at DOJ, or anyone else with petite authority and a negative attitude can cause them to give one of us a bad time, and to them it end's up being not even an, 'I'm sorry' situation.

We're the good guys, we believe in the Consitiution of the United States of America. Treat someone with a different opinion with courtesy and try to work things out with reason and respect even if they don't join in your opinion. At least this way, the next time they see a reason, real or construed, they won't immediately think of the gun guy that hasseled them.

I've seen too many posts from people that think of verbally attacking anyone or anything they don't agree with. I hope it's not a disease. Someone verbally attacking anyone like you've posted display's exactly the attitude of lack of control that someone with a firearm shouldn't have.

Joe

WokMaster1
04-08-2006, 1:07 PM
Hi Wokmaster1,

I think if the DOJ read's your comment it won't actually help matters for firearms owners.

Remember, legal firearms owners are the good guys. We are within the law. Cursing at DOJ, or anyone else with petite authority and a negative attitude can cause them to give one of us a bad time, and to them it end's up being not even an, 'I'm sorry' situation.

We're the good guys, we believe in the Consitiution of the United States of America. Treat someone with a different opinion with courtesy and try to work things out with reason and respect even if they don't join in your opinion. At least this way, the next time they see a reason, real or construed, they won't immediately think of the gun guy that hasseled them.

I've seen too many posts from people that think of verbally attacking anyone or anything they don't agree with. I hope it's not a disease. Someone verbally attacking anyone like you've posted display's exactly the attitude of lack of control that someone with a firearm shouldn't have.

Joe

PM sent because I don't want to hijack this thread.

Jeff Rambo
04-08-2006, 6:47 PM
Anyone got a picture of Iggy? Just want to know what he looks like so we can all stop by & say "HEELLOOO MF#$%" when we see him at the mall or restaurant. This guy sure has an ego & ballz bigger than coconuts. I'm sure he's not hard to miss in a shopping mall crowd.....he's the one with the tactical ballz holster strapped to his leg.... Just my thought! I need to see an anger management specialist.:mad:

Probably not a good way to greet a law enforcement officer, especially in an off-duty setting.

WokMaster1
04-08-2006, 8:28 PM
Jeff & DHL, you are right about that. Should have known better than to call Iggy names & threatening to greet him in such an inappropriate way when he's off duty. What was I thinking?........... Didn't mean to hurt your feelings & be so politically incorrect!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Tony for the hijack...I'll shut up & buy more lowers. Who's selling? I've got cash....:) :)

svenu
04-10-2006, 9:55 PM
Anyone else who was in the 'quasi-group buy' set of seized receivers go ahead and fill out the form yet?