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badicedog
06-25-2010, 7:26 PM
I'm not sure if anyone has thought about designing a mag lock to work on the bolt release side of an AR? I was looking at a dual mag release lever and started thinking how difficult it would be to modify it so you would need a tool to work it from the bolt release side of the rifle. I think the biggest advantage to a device is that you could rig up a glove with a permanent ribit to use as key while keeping your right hand on the grip to manipulate/control your AR. Any thoughts on this guys?

Lateralus
06-25-2010, 7:29 PM
The problem is that side goes out. You would have to use a tool to pull it.

sevensix2x51
06-25-2010, 7:30 PM
so you want to use an ambi mag release with a bullet button, then drill and tap the receiver for a cover, which blocks the ambi left side release, except for a small hole for a tool? doesnt sound hard at all. if you like drilling holes into lowers.

badicedog
06-25-2010, 7:30 PM
The problem is that side goes out. You would have to use a tool to pull it.

On an ambi mag release you don't, you push it in.:D

slappomatt
06-25-2010, 8:28 PM
This seems like all the 100's of threads I see on the magpul BAD and other clones. A great Idea that should almost be a standard issue part of the gun that is COMPLETELY worthless in our (CA) current legal climate that poeple are getting excited over for no real reason other than it would be cool if we lived in a free state and could actually use it.

And its not an attack on the OP as I really want a ambi mag release AND a BAD but currently in CA they can't be used. (unless you have a featureless build which this thread isn't about)

badicedog
06-25-2010, 8:40 PM
No, the point of this thread is to modify an ambi mag release to work as a mag lock. This way you would release the mag with a tool but from the Bolt release side.

sevensix2x51
06-25-2010, 8:43 PM
dood, it would take like 10 minutes. i mean, if you did it in sheet metal. maybe twenty minutes if you wanted it in aluminum, and like 3 weeks if you wanted it in anodized aluminum. :D

grunz
06-25-2010, 8:47 PM
I've thought of this too - we need some way to put a "bullet-button" type device on the LEFT side of the AR.

Anchors
06-25-2010, 8:49 PM
It would be cool to machine a lower with everything stardard except the holes for the catch are flipped. So we could just have BB on the left side.
It'd be awesome with a g-pik (don't want to wear one on the trigger hand.)

EDIT: or if you wanted to, use the ambi, and permanently affix a big ugly housing on the left side to shroud it from fingers.

EDIT EDIT: I wonder if we did a group buy if a CA company would machine them flipped like that. I bet if we got 30+ in on it they would do it for about standard price (not cheaper like most group buys, since they have to make a new mold for the forging.)
Actually I wouldn't mind the release being on the left in a free state....

grunz
06-25-2010, 9:35 PM
If we did a full swap - how would the mag catch work? Whatever we do it has to work with standard magazines.

Something to shield and "bulletbuttonize" an ambi mag release is probably the right way to go..


It would be cool to machine a lower with everything stardard except the holes for the catch are flipped. So we could just have BB on the left side.
It'd be awesome with a g-pik (don't want to wear one on the trigger hand.)

EDIT: or if you wanted to, use the ambi, and permanently affix a big ugly housing on the left side to shroud it from fingers.

EDIT EDIT: I wonder if we did a group buy if a CA company would machine them flipped like that. I bet if we got 30+ in on it they would do it for about standard price (not cheaper like most group buys, since they have to make a new mold for the forging.)
Actually I wouldn't mind the release being on the left in a free state....

Anchors
06-25-2010, 11:04 PM
Ahh I see your point, the magazine would also need to be reversed.
Hmmm.... Get companies to start making Ambi-mags (divits on both sides).
Haha just kidding, that will never happen.

Well USGI mags might be possible to convert to the catch being on the other side. Not so easy on pmags, etc.

but after you buy a left-locked lower (haha catch phrase!)
And then go through the trouble converting mags...
You'd probably be like, all this just to release from the left side?

So the shroud on the Ambi would be nice.
It might be possible to design one that doesn't look completely terrible.

esskay
06-25-2010, 11:54 PM
Doesn't seem like folks are tracking on what Badicedog was getting at.

There are some specific AR lowers which have an ambidextrous mag release, with a normal mag release button on the right side, and a secondary lever on the left side which actuates the same mag catch. Standard AR magazines, just a different mag release design. Here's the Norgon ambi mag release:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20CAR/LMT_TROY_NOR_REC_LH_ZM_L227-P-FPW.jpg

Badicedog is saying why not modify one of these ambi mag releases such that you could hit the left side with a tool.

I'm not familiar enough with the different ambi mag release designs, but I think on the left side they are basically like levers with a fulcrum to pull the mag catch out, so not as straightforward as the standard one on the right which pushes straight in. Maybe some kind of shroud?

badicedog
06-26-2010, 12:56 AM
BINGO! :hurray:

winnre
06-26-2010, 7:26 AM
How about a lock release somehow connected to the ejection port dust cover on the AR series? Close the door, the mag button works. This way you cannot fire a round while the door is closed.

sevensix2x51
06-26-2010, 8:44 AM
Doesn't seem like folks are tracking on what Badicedog was getting at.

There are some specific AR lowers which have an ambidextrous mag release, with a normal mag release button on the right side, and a secondary lever on the left side which actuates the same mag catch. Standard AR magazines, just a different mag release design. Here's the Norgon ambi mag release:
-pic-

Badicedog is saying why not modify one of these ambi mag releases such that you could hit the left side with a tool.

I'm not familiar enough with the different ambi mag release designs, but I think on the left side they are basically like levers with a fulcrum to pull the mag catch out, so not as straightforward as the standard one on the right which pushes straight in. Maybe some kind of shroud?

yeah, thats what i am saying. it would take no time at all, but you have to drill and tap the receiver.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=60100&stc=1&d=1277570613

dieselpower
06-26-2010, 11:24 AM
instead of drilling and tapping the lower, think about re-designing the lever assembly itself to house a shroud around the lever.

you are putting a "cover" over a "see-saw" lever which will only allow a tool to access and depress the see-saw.

Fate
06-26-2010, 2:57 PM
Honestly not seeing the usefulness of this long term. You DO know what's happening on Monday, right? :43:

The CA AWB is coming down.

AirNavBlue
06-26-2010, 3:16 PM
Honestly not seeing the usefulness of this long term. You DO know what's happening on Monday, right? :43:

The CA AWB is coming down.

Really?

killshot44
06-26-2010, 4:15 PM
Honestly not seeing the usefulness of this long term. You DO know what's happening on Monday, right? :43:

The CA AWB is coming down.

:fud:

dchang0
06-26-2010, 4:44 PM
:fud:

FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

I see no Fear, Uncertanty, or Doubt in Fate's statement.

Instead, I see Courage, Certainty, and Optimism.

Better yet, Courage, Certainty, and Inevitability!

badicedog
06-26-2010, 5:54 PM
Honestly not seeing the usefulness of this long term. You DO know what's happening on Monday, right? :43:

The CA AWB is coming down.

Yes I am fully aware of this Monday... Are you fully aware that it will be at least 1 year till we see any change in gun laws here in CA? Until that day comes (and I do welcome it), this new bullet button design can prove to be very helpfull.:D

esskay
06-26-2010, 8:53 PM
instead of drilling and tapping the lower, think about re-designing the lever assembly itself to house a shroud around the lever.

you are putting a "cover" over a "see-saw" lever which will only allow a tool to access and depress the see-saw.

Yeah, this was what I was envisioning.

Anchors
06-26-2010, 11:46 PM
It would be great, but I doubt Monday alone will have a large effect on the AWB if any at all.
Monday will be a step in the right direction, yes. But there's still a longgggggggggg way to go to getting the AWB overturned.

1 SIG fan
06-27-2010, 6:42 AM
WWwAaaiiittttttttt.

Why is a magpul

1 SIG fan
06-27-2010, 6:42 AM
WWwAaaiiittttttttt.

Why is a magpul BAD illegal in CA???

Or only cause there's no way to maglock and ambi..?? Wasn't clear