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otteray
04-05-2006, 9:26 PM
Has anyone seen what unbelivable mistruths this site comes up with?
Totally biased, blatent, hatefully anti-gun.
http://www.gunguys.com/?m=200604
But, what is bad; there is no forum or e-mail to refute or show the misconceptions!
It's so bad and untruthful, that I look at it everyday at 5:00 a.m. to help myself wake up. Better than a jolt of caffine...:eek:
I have MSN as my homepage and when I "added content" for my startup page to include NRA articles, this showed up, too!!

snobordr
04-05-2006, 9:49 PM
Oh jeezus..... it would be good for a laugh if so many sheeple did not think exactly this way. - referring to the first story on the mainpage, change to AZ law to disallow the disarmament of people in a disaster area

Mssr. Eleganté
04-05-2006, 9:54 PM
That web site was mentioned in this months NRA magazine, America's First Freedom, in connection to another web site those "gun guys" run called "license to murder dot com"...

http://www.licensetomurder.com/

They are trying to stop the "license to murder" law that the NRA got passed in Florida from spreading to other states. They consider the law, which allows you to defend yourself from violent attack, a "license to murder".

Those kind of web sites don't usually have any kind of message board or feedback features because they would get slammed with thousands of pro-gun posts ripping their arguments to shreds with logic and humor. This would destroy their illusions of grass roots support for their "common sense" gun laws. You will notice that anti-gun web sites often put up feedback features at first, but then take them down pretty quickly.

spitkiss
04-05-2006, 9:55 PM
But, what is bad; there is no forum or e-mail to refute or show the misconceptions!


There's a link at the bottom of the page to: http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/

It has a contact page but no forum :(

taloft
04-05-2006, 9:58 PM
This one is pretty mild compared to some of them. The VPC, The Brady Campaign, etc. all have crap similar to this.

PanzerAce
04-05-2006, 10:16 PM
This one is pretty mild compared to some of them. The VPC, The Brady Campaign, etc. all have crap similar to this.

No, I think this group is one of the worst. They also run the .50caliberterror site (I think thats the one). And I have NEVER been able to just find an email contact point....

EBWhite
04-05-2006, 10:17 PM
Whoever made this site should set smacked with some common sense.

metalhead357
04-05-2006, 10:58 PM
Whoever made this site should set smacked with some common sense.

And a lawsuit and a another and another for posting while stooooopid.

RRangel
04-05-2006, 11:32 PM
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Rivet
04-05-2006, 11:32 PM
I belive they are somehow connected with these people http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/ I got linked there through a "who is " search.

taloft
04-05-2006, 11:40 PM
No, I think this group is one of the worst. They also run the .50caliberterror site (I think thats the one). And I have NEVER been able to just find an email contact point....

http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/

just hit the contact button, and you can send them an email.

I agree that this site is pretty bad regarding B.S. spin stories. I just worry more about the people who create the spin.http://www.csgv.org/ is one example. Also the ACLU came out with this little gem. http://aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

Granted that none of them are good. I just feel that the other two examples would be taken more seriously by the general population. That in itself makes them more of a threat. Which would you rather have: A guy that is foaming at the mouth running up on you with a knife? or A guy that shakes your hand as he is slipping the blade into your back? At least you can see the first one coming.

GUNS4WORK
04-05-2006, 11:53 PM
i wish people with no knowledge of what they speak keep their mouth shut.
780

PanzerAce
04-05-2006, 11:58 PM
hmmm, last time I checked, they didnt have any of the contact stuff.

taloft
04-06-2006, 12:05 AM
i wish people with no knowledge of what they speak keep their mouth shut.
780

To whom are you addressing this?

TheMan
04-06-2006, 12:06 AM
Also the ACLU came out with this little gem. http://aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html


I like this quote from the ACLU page

If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms.


Sounds like it's about time for a group buy on nuclear warheads. Anyone interested? The ACLU doesn't sound so bad anymore:p

GUNS4WORK
04-06-2006, 12:14 AM
781talking about the above website... sorry for the incomplete thought, i shouldn't type and watch tv781

adamsreeftank
04-06-2006, 12:49 AM
Funny, on the CSVG site it says "DC has passed strong laws that have kept its citizens safe".

It makes you wonder what planet they are living on.

taloft
04-06-2006, 12:50 AM
I figured as much but, with all the cheap shots around here lately I thought I should ask.:D Thanks for clarifying.

metalhead357
04-06-2006, 1:21 AM
I figured as much but, with all the cheap shots around here lately I thought I should ask.:D Thanks for clarifying.

You noticed that too? LOL! Thought it was just me....... I dunno if its lower maddness season causing all the flammin' or that we're all heading towards election time again:eek:

Been saying for years WE gotta take the fight to the enemy...turn the tides. Put THEM on the defensive.......... reverse all thier tactics on them; class action suits on all thier "makers" for false advertising, deceptive practices....etc.

And we need.......cant believe its not there in the 912348716718327467532474 laws already on the books...but a law that makes it a crime to willfully lie to the public

odysseus
04-06-2006, 1:26 AM
An old thread from THR might gleam more on who this is...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=23237

jdberger
04-06-2006, 1:49 AM
There are a couple of threads on THR regarding Freedom States Alliance. I get their email alerts so I'm pretty up to date.

Here is the most recent one - it's from License To Murder:

http://www.licensetomurder.com/banner.jpg

If you value personal safety, the security of your family, and civilized behavior, please consider a contribution to Freedom States Alliance now:

http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/donate

Our campaign to stop the NRA's "License to Murder" is no scare tactic.

Here is what the Christian Science Monitor has to say about the NRA effort to pass laws allowing people to shoot to kill when they merely have the "perception" that they are being threatened: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0224/p02s01-usju.html

"These new measures would push the boundaries beyond the self-defense measures already on the books. Twelve states already allow citizens to shoot intruders in their homes, and 38 states permit concealed weapons in public places. The 'Stand Your Ground laws would allow people to defend themselves with deadly force even in public places when they perceive a life-threatening situation for themselves or others, and they would not be held accountable in criminal or civil court even if bystanders are injured."


This law completely removes any responsbility for anyone who pulls a gun (against an attacker armed or otherwise). As long as the person pulling the gun "feels threatened" (the wording is that simple), they can get off scot free for shooting anyone caught in the crossfire. This isn't self defense-- it's legalized violence.

This isn't about any fantasy about Second Amendment right to gun ownership. You could knife someone to death under this law and still be protected. It's quite simply accurate to call it an NRA "License to Murder."

We need your help to awaken Americans to this grave threat, please contribute now:

http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/donate

As a law professor noted in the Christian Science Monitor Article: "If you're in a state that's passed one of these laws, any time you're in a potential confrontation you'll have to think about the fact that, 'Will the fellow on the other side misunderstand my anger and pull out a gun?' " says Robert Batey, a law professor at Stetson University in St. Petersburg, Fla.

Is this your vision of America? If not, support our efforts, and let your friends and concerned citizens sign up here to receive these alerts:

http://www.licensetomurder.com

Give generously.

We don't need a "License to Murder."

Sincerely,

Freedom States Alliance
There is some interesting stuff on this site. They have a whole list of shootings where a person was being attacked and fought back and they call it a license to murder. Read their version, then google the victim's name and you get the whole story. 99% of the stories involve a righteous shoot and charges are never brought. .....apparently these guys don't want to be confused by facts...

Go to their sites and hop on their email alert list. Better to be informed of what the enemy is doing. You should also be getting email alerts from Brady, VPC and LCAV.

Ford8N
04-06-2006, 6:19 AM
Been saying for years WE gotta take the fight to the enemy...turn the tides. Put THEM on the defensive.......... reverse all thier tactics on them; class action suits on all thier "makers" for false advertising, deceptive practices....etc.




Me too. You never win by just holding what you have left and "compromising".

paradox
04-06-2006, 6:19 AM
And we need.......cant believe its not there in the 912348716718327467532474 laws already on the books...but a law that makes it a crime to willfully lie to the public

Sorry, lying to the public is a first amendment protected right. If you are a newsperson and refuse to knowingly lie you can be fired with no recourse.

Take that into concideration when watching the boob tube.

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/11.html
In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.

According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)

Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.

FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.

bdcc11
04-06-2006, 7:58 AM
People really believe this stuff. If I ever have someone stocking me I hope I can get one of these people to come protect me so I don't have to use a gun. Maybe they can show me how to protect myself in real time and not just talk the talk. Then when they distract the bad guy and get themselfs killed I will have had time to get into a good position to nutralize the bad guy WITH MY GUN!

Mesa Tactical
04-06-2006, 12:13 PM
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On the other hand, GoDaddy and Domains by Proxy are owned and operated by a very pro gun rights individual. I wonder if the gunguys asshats know that?

artherd
04-06-2006, 4:05 PM
I don't know guys, belive it or not the VPC site was where I first learned about the Mk211 Raufoss ammunition for .50BMGs. I said to myself: "FNICKING COOL, I HAVE GOT TO GET ME SOME OF THAT!"

So, I did. (minus the Mk211 round illegal in CA of course :(
http://dreamwithyoureyeswideopen.com/7400/M82A1-4.jpg

Thanks VPC!

Charliegone
04-06-2006, 4:45 PM
That site deserves a...

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/nutkick.gif

ajwells
04-06-2006, 4:57 PM
I like this part of his little rant: (I bolded my favorites lines)

"The bad news: Nebraska’s lawmakers chose to listen to the NRA instead of the people, and became one of the last states last week to allow concealed weapons (something the police and most Americans aren’t interested in). The good news: Nebraskans who live in Omaha won’t have to worry about their safety– concealed weapons still aren’t allowed there."

I'm guessing the "people" consist of him. Also, he shouldn't be allowed to use the word "American" in that context, it's an oxy-moron.

jdberger
04-06-2006, 11:26 PM
Here is a thread from TFL that discussed Gun Guys and Freedom States Alliance. Aparently these are all run by the same guy working out of an office in Chicago, Mark Karlin.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188352&highlight=alito

Rivet
04-07-2006, 12:30 AM
Here he is...http://www.dougbasham.com/markkarlinfeather.jpg

odysseus
04-07-2006, 5:13 PM
Here is a thread from TFL that discussed Gun Guys and Freedom States Alliance. Aparently these are all run by the same guy working out of an office in Chicago, Mark Karlin.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188352&highlight=alito

Thanks, good fine. Makes sense.

metalhead357
04-07-2006, 10:08 PM
Paradox- thank you...that was enlightening...even though it too was depressing:(