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Robidouxs
06-24-2010, 6:05 AM
Here is a live link to the current decisions being made today.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/06/live-blog-opinions-6-24-10/

Robidouxs
06-24-2010, 6:10 AM
Currently on the provided website, the commentator indicates this

"10:09

Tom:
One implication of RBG's opinion is that it likely leaves Justice Alito with the gun case. "

Nodda Duma
06-24-2010, 6:35 AM
Looks like Monday for McDonald

Robidouxs
06-24-2010, 6:41 AM
Yup, Monday shall be the big day.

pullnshoot25
06-24-2010, 7:09 AM
But, but... I hate Mondays!

tiki
06-24-2010, 7:19 AM
But, but... I hate Mondays!

You won't hate this Monday. :-)

Liberty1
06-24-2010, 7:29 AM
You better be right :chris:

1JimMarch
06-24-2010, 7:34 AM
Yeah. If "Sammy has the gun case", it means first, we won, second, probably on due process. PorI still isn't completely off the table but...it's on life support.

Oh well.

Liberty1
06-24-2010, 7:37 AM
Here is a live link to the current decisions being made today.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/06/live-blog-opinions-6-24-10/

"In answer to questions -- Alito probably has the guns case because that's the last remaining case from March, and he is the only justice not to write in that sitting. "

Monday - good I've got a lot of work to do this weekend I couldn't finish IF I was partying!

Uriah02
06-24-2010, 7:38 AM
are you serious... we gotta wait longer... GAR!!!!!

yellowfin
06-24-2010, 7:46 AM
The delay gives me the weekend to go up to one of my favorite wineries. Perhaps we should toast the decision with madeira? (Bonus points to anyone who knows why.)

winnre
06-24-2010, 8:06 AM
Four more days. Wow. I feel like I need to go buy more guns.

HowardW56
06-24-2010, 8:59 AM
The delay gives me the weekend to go up to one of my favorite wineries. Perhaps we should toast the decision with madeira? (Bonus points to anyone who knows why.)

You made me go look:

Early American history


Madeira was a favorite of Thomas Jefferson (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson), and it was used to toast the Declaration of Independence (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence).[3] (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/#cite_note-Oxford_pg_416-419-2) George Washington (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/George_Washington), Alexander Hamilton (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton), Benjamin Franklin (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin) and John Adams (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/John_Adams) are also said to have appreciated the qualities of Madeira. On one occasion, Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, of the great quantities of Madeira he consumed while a Massachusetts delegate to the Continental Congress. Chief Justice John Marshall (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/John_Marshall) was also known to appreciate Madeira, as well as his cohorts on the U.S. Supreme Court. A bottle of Madeira was also used by visiting Captain James Server to christen USS Constitution (http://www.calguns.net/wiki/USS_Constitution) in 1797.

loather
06-24-2010, 9:50 AM
I feel like I need to go buy more guns.

But when don't we feel like this?

Come on. You know you want another one. It's singing to you. Calling you. "Buy me," it says. "Feel how my grips conform to your hand. Work my action. Smooth as silk! Squeeze my trigger. Such a crisp break!"

Is your 4473 filled out yet?

HowardW56
06-24-2010, 10:01 AM
But when don't we feel like this?

Come on. You know you want another one. It's singing to you. Calling you. "Buy me," it says. "Feel how my grips conform to your hand. Work my action. Smooth as silk! Squeeze my trigger. Such a crisp break!"

Is your 4473 filled out yet?


MUST RESIST...................

not-fishing
06-24-2010, 10:30 AM
I just hope SCOTUS uses words like

FUNDIMENTAL

and

STRICT SCRUTINY

I think of it as my Hope and Change.

chris
06-24-2010, 10:31 AM
i can wait til monday.

N6ATF
06-24-2010, 10:32 AM
I just hope SCOTUS uses words like

FUNDIMENTAL

and

STRICT SCRUTINY

I think of it as my Hope and Change.

I hope they use FUNDAMENTAL. :rolleyes:

Vtec44
06-24-2010, 10:39 AM
I hope they use FUNDAMENTAL. :rolleyes:

:D

Man, this is going to be a long weekend...

ScottB
06-24-2010, 10:44 AM
The delay gives me the weekend to go up to one of my favorite wineries. Perhaps we should toast the decision with madeira? (Bonus points to anyone who knows why.)

The wine the Founders traditionaly used for toasts.

What do I win?

yellowfin
06-24-2010, 11:02 AM
A free wine tour when you come to see my neighborhood.

loather
06-24-2010, 11:03 AM
MUST RESIST...................

Please.

http://nemesis.damnit.us/~khudson/images/resistance.jpeg

QQQ
06-24-2010, 11:45 AM
I still fail to see the reasons for everyone's optimism regarding McDonald v. Chicago.

HowardW56
06-24-2010, 11:49 AM
I still fail to see the reasons for everyone's optimism regarding McDonald v. Chicago.

What do you expect the outcome to be?

You don't expect that they will overturn Heller do you?

Do you think they would let the 2nd apply only to the District of Columbia?


What do you expect?

stitchnicklas
06-24-2010, 11:54 AM
MONDAY!!!!!!!!!!.....DAMN IT, I WANTED TO PARTY TONIGHT,DAMN IT.!!!!!!!!!

GuyW
06-24-2010, 12:42 PM
I still fail....


LOL!

.

MikeR
06-24-2010, 1:53 PM
I hate wishing the weekends away! Esp since its just going to be a lot more waiting after we get our decision. :hammer:

kf6tac
06-24-2010, 4:15 PM
Man, McDonald AND Bilski on Monday. It's going to be a busy day for me.

CalNRA
06-24-2010, 4:32 PM
I hope they decide the 2nd applies to everyone/everywhere EXCEPT anyone with the last name Daley.


We can dream right?

dfletcher
06-24-2010, 5:06 PM
The delay gives me the weekend to go up to one of my favorite wineries. Perhaps we should toast the decision with madeira? (Bonus points to anyone who knows why.)

Because the first two lines of the song "Have Some Medeira, M'Deara" remind you of RBG ......not!

And she's not writing the decision. ;)

:(:(:(

Nothing - not even a chuckle? Hello, hello - is this mike on ...?

You guys ain't my crowd. :cool:

winnre
06-25-2010, 8:33 AM
But when don't we feel like this?

Come on. You know you want another one. It's singing to you. Calling you. "Buy me," it says. "Feel how my grips conform to your hand. Work my action. Smooth as silk! Squeeze my trigger. Such a crisp break!"

Is your 4473 filled out yet?

Reading ads for Turner's now....

383green
06-25-2010, 4:19 PM
Ok, enough talk about pot in that other McDonald thread. I'm back in this thread to get back on topic!

So, where do I have to go to get myself a bottle of Madeira wine to try? Not my local supermarket, it would seem.

:whistling:

FF/EMT Nick
06-25-2010, 6:01 PM
Ok, enough talk about pot in that other McDonald thread. I'm back in this thread to get back on topic!

So, where do I have to go to get myself a bottle of Madeira wine to try? Not my local supermarket, it would seem.

:whistling:

Wait Wine is OK but Pot is bad?



Sorry dude, I had too. :D

383green
06-25-2010, 6:28 PM
I understand; the flesh is weak. :)

outland
06-25-2010, 6:37 PM
What a long weekend

monstertodd
06-25-2010, 10:34 PM
I hate being a noob.

Can someone please explain what this case is all about? What decision is coming on Monday?

gravedigger
06-25-2010, 10:38 PM
I hope you are right, but I just do not believe the SCotUS has the balls to rule on this correctly, without writing some vague garbage that will leave us with years of court battles to fight.

Devilinbp
06-25-2010, 10:55 PM
Okay. Now you have Sheriff Bill Gore! That means you can't carry a gun. Are you comforted knowing that when you are assaulted by a criminal with a hunting knife, just dial 911 for help. if you have a signal, and they answer, and you aren't put on hold, and you can still talk after the attack, and the only cop around isn't busy. Sleep well, sheeple.


gravedigger...ya just gotta rub it in to us San Diegans don't ya! :P

dantodd
06-25-2010, 10:59 PM
I hate being a noob.

Can someone please explain what this case is all about? What decision is coming on Monday?

Everyone has to be a noob at some time.

Here is the official site by the lead attorney Alan Gura: http://www.chicagoguncase.com/

You can get some decent info on Wikipedia too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcdonald_v_chicago

Essentially it is an extension of the protections defined in D.C. v. Heller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller) so that your right to keep and bear arms is also protected from infringement by the state (heller only protected you from federal infringement)

The idea of extending this protection to limit lesser governments and not just the federal government is called incorporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights) most of us never learn in grade school or high school that our rights are not (and were not supposed to be) protected from state and local infringement by the bill of rights. That didn't happen until the 14th amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)b ut the courts were somewhat angry because one of the main purposes of the 14th amendment was to overturn Dread Scott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford)and the court doesn't like to be overturned. So, at the first opportunity the courts, in the Slaughter-House cases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter-house_cases), tried to gut the 14th amendment's Privileges or Immunities clause. Cruikshank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank) solidified this gutting and many see McDonald as the last opportunity for the court to reverse the damage done by Slaughter-House and re-invigorate the PorI clause.

There is also a lot of good information about the cases on the CalGuns Wiki (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page#Important_Cases).

thayne
06-25-2010, 11:11 PM
I hate being a noob.

Can someone please explain what this case is all about? What decision is coming on Monday?

In a nut shell; the end of gun control as you know it :D

N6ATF
06-26-2010, 12:07 AM
In a nut shell; the beginning of the end of gun control as you know it :D

Fixed.

Or was it the end of the beginning of the end...

thayne
06-26-2010, 12:36 AM
Fixed.

Or was it the end of the beginning of the end...

Haha, Churchill had to be on some serious drugs :D

glockwise2000
06-26-2010, 12:44 AM
:popcorn:

chiselchst
06-26-2010, 5:11 AM
Don't get my hopes up - are we sure it's going to be released on Monday, June 28th? And not later?

This is history being made, I am pretty stoked. I can't wait...

dantodd
06-26-2010, 5:21 AM
Don't get my hopes up - are we sure it's going to be released on Monday, June 28th? And not later?

This is history being made, I am pretty stoked. I can't wait...

It is not guaranteed but the confidence level is probably 99%; might be a little higher.

monstertodd
06-26-2010, 5:37 AM
Everyone has to be a noob at some time.

Here is the official site by the lead plaintiff Alan Gura: http://www.chicagoguncase.com/

You can get some decent info on Wikipedia too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcdonald_v_chicago

Essentially it is an extension of the protections defined in D.C. v. Heller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller) so that your right to keep and bear arms is also protected from infringement by the state (heller only protected you from federal infringement)

The idea of extending this protection to limit lesser governments and not just the federal government is called incorporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights) most of us never learn in grade school or high school that our rights are not (and were not supposed to be) protected from state and local infringement by the bill of rights. That didn't happen until the 14th amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)b ut the courts were somewhat angry because one of the main purposes of the 14th amendment was to overturn Dread Scott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford)and the court doesn't like to be overturned. So, at the first opportunity the courts, in the Slaughter-House cases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter-house_cases), tried to gut the 14th amendment's Privileges or Immunities clause. Cruikshank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank) solidified this gutting and many see McDonald as the last opportunity for the court to reverse the damage done by Slaughter-House and re-invigorate the PorI clause.

There is also a lot of good information about the cases on the CalGuns Wiki (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page#Important_Cases).

In a nut shell; the end of gun control as you know it :D


Excellent, thankyou for that info!.

Santa Cruz Armory
06-26-2010, 6:05 AM
Fingers crossed!

dantodd
06-26-2010, 10:31 AM
Excellent, thankyou for that info!.

Ooops. Gura is the attorney not the plaintiff. Otis McDonald is the plaintiff, so for any confusion.