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FastFinger
06-23-2010, 10:08 PM
"Screamers" is a new documentary that looks at genocide, but ignores the fact that gun confiscation is a common prelude to genocide, and conversely an armed populous can fight victimization.

Full review. (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/dgifford/2010/06/23/review-anti-genocide-doc-screamers-contradicts-itself-calls-for-end-of-private-gun-ownership/#more-363202)

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2010/06/POSTER.SCREAMERS-CROPPED.jpg

383green
06-23-2010, 10:24 PM
So, in other words, it's an urgent and vitally important new film that serves as a stirring call to action for a new generation... an extraordinary movie that dares to say...

AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!

:mad:

Dreaded Claymore
06-24-2010, 2:09 AM
System of a Down is the worst band that ever played music. They're really, really terrible. I already hate this movie just from seeing their name on it.
Edit: The title of the movie makes perfect sense, because System of a Down are indeed "screamers" in that that's what they do instead of sing.

Bluejay
06-24-2010, 2:36 AM
Interesting. I'm curious as to how the film-maker ties genocide to private gun ownership. I can't really think of any genocides that weren't conducted by state agencies.

Naturally, I imagine that the film-maker isn't proposing that we disarm the police and the military.

Gray Peterson
06-24-2010, 9:59 AM
I'll have to actually watch it to see what Screamers is about. System of a Down is involved because they are Albanian descended. Breitbart is short on the facts of the "why" of private I guess not to "ruin the movie". If I were to say a corallation with history, it would be the same as the US government, instead of interring the Japanese into camps, instead told the general public to use their private weapons to start "hunting the Japanese", that they would not prosecute it and in fact would help such "private groups" with intelligence and other ways to support it.

When it comes to extermination and genocide, it is not merely government, it is the majority ethnic group that can participate in the genocide. The statement being made is: "If only the Ottoman Imperial Forces had guns and not the majority Turk population, the Albanians would not have been slaughtered".

Maltese Falcon
06-24-2010, 10:14 AM
The statement being made is: "If only the Ottoman Imperial Forces had guns and not the majority Turk population, the Albanians would not have been slaughtered".

You mean Armenians?

sideshowhr
06-24-2010, 10:39 AM
talk about non-issue.

Screamers is being shown to world leaders — most recently Canada’s Parliament — as part of an apparent effort to advance support for a world prohibition on private gun ownership.

apparent to ... who, exactly? i'm not making the connection here.

everyone and their mother (who knows about the genocide) knows turks disarmed many Armenians. and you're making it a big deal because they didn't mention it in the film?

have you even seen the film?

One spreads the false perception that resistance is futile, that none of those marked for death can or have saved themselves by fighting back.

this person is an idiot. plain and simple. you regurgitating his dimwitted opinion reflects pretty poorly upon you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_resistance_%281914%E2%80%931918%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitun_Resistance_%281915%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitun_Resistance_%281895%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sardarapat

gunsmith
06-24-2010, 12:18 PM
System of a Down is the worst band that ever played music. They're really, really terrible. I already hate this movie just from seeing their name on it.

System of a Down is a great band!
are they lefty? yes.
do they understand politics? no
their politics really sucks, but musically, I think they're great, really really great!

Havoc70
06-24-2010, 12:38 PM
this person is an idiot. plain and simple. you regurgitating his dimwitted opinion reflects pretty poorly upon you.


Your seeming willingness to support disarmament reflects even more poorly upon you. Why didn't you agree with the reviewers stance that disarming populations makes it easier for genocide to occur?

yellowfin
06-24-2010, 1:06 PM
Screamers...hmm, sounds more like a porno movie.

Lateralus
06-24-2010, 2:04 PM
System of a Down is an incredible band. Even if you don't like their lyrics or message, think of this:

Armenian descendants form band in America.
Band record music about how much America/Bush sucks.
Band wins several Grammies for Best Album.

Gotta love America. Their music should go well with the film. Even though I disagree with the message, I'll still watch it so I can hear what the other side has to say. It seems partially irresponsible to ignore it, akin to plugging my ears and screaming "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!"

M198
06-24-2010, 2:12 PM
I must be getting old because I have no idea who System of a Down are. That being said, I stopped reading when I saw Breitbart in the link. I'd rather read something banged out by chimps pounding on a typewriter.

sfwdiy
06-24-2010, 2:20 PM
Armenian band comes to America.

They're not from Armenia. They were Armenian-American kids that started a rock band in Los Angeles back in the mid-90's.

--B

Lateralus
06-24-2010, 2:46 PM
They're not from Armenia. They were Armenian-American kids that started a rock band in Los Angeles back in the mid-90's.

--B

It was generalized a bit.

odysseus
06-24-2010, 2:55 PM
I stopped reading when I saw Breitbart in the link. I'd rather read something banged out by chimps pounding on a typewriter.

Why? Seems Breitbart.com in this article is on par with many on here whom also would have a real problem with advocating the disarming of people and their right to defend themselves.

From the top of the article:
What does not need to be pushed in conjunction with that awareness is the propaganda of pacifist victimhood and the exoneration by omission of the most prolific mass murderers because of an affinity for their ideologies. One spreads the false perception that resistance is futile, that none of those marked for death can or have saved themselves by fighting back. The other avoids all mention of the political dogma solely responsible for most mass murder. Screamers is a documentary that does all of the above.

sideshowhr
06-24-2010, 3:02 PM
sensationalist "journalism". notice how there isn't a single mention as to HOW the movie "spreads the false perception that resistance is futile, that none of those marked for death can or have saved themselves by fighting back". i'll give you a hint: it doesn't.

the author of the column is reaching for something that isn't there.

Your seeming willingness to support disarmament reflects even more poorly upon you. Why didn't you agree with the reviewers stance that disarming populations makes it easier for genocide to occur?

right. you didn't read my post, i take it.

edit: by the way. seems like the article was written by a five-year-old. what a joke.

Dreaded Claymore
06-24-2010, 3:10 PM
System of a Down is an incredible band. Even if you don't like their lyrics or message, think of this:

Armenian band comes to America.
Band record music about how much America/Bush sucks.
Band wins several Grammies for Best Album.

Gotta love America. Their music should go well with the film.

I have no idea what their songs are about, because I can't even hear what the lyrics are. Before you told me, I didn't know they were an "America sucks" band. I thought Bush sucked too. I just think they sound awful. But I have different feelings about music than the vast majority of people.

Havoc70
06-24-2010, 3:10 PM
sensationalist "journalism". notice how there isn't a single mention as to HOW the movie "spreads the false perception that resistance is futile, that none of those marked for death can or have saved themselves by fighting back". i'll give you a hint: it doesn't.

the author of the column is reaching for something that isn't there.



right. you didn't read my post, i take it.

I read it, but it seemed to me like you said someone that was opposed to disarmament was an idiot. What did I misread?

Your post wasn't exactly clear as to what or whom you were calling an idiot, but it was fairly easy to infer that you said that the author of the review was an idiot and wrong, yet that author was saying disarmament is a bogus argument.

So, what, exactly, did I misread?

edit: by the way. seems like the article was written by a five-year-old. what a joke.

At least it has proper sentence structure, more than can be said about your posts.

Gray Peterson
06-24-2010, 3:11 PM
I'm going to rent the movie and watch it, and update the post with what I find.

sideshowhr
06-24-2010, 3:56 PM
I read it, but it seemed to me like you said someone that was opposed to disarmament was an idiot. What did I misread?

Your post wasn't exactly clear as to what or whom you were calling an idiot, but it was fairly easy to infer that you said that the author of the review was an idiot and wrong, yet that author was saying disarmament is a bogus argument.

So, what, exactly, did I misread?



At least it has proper sentence structure, more than can be said about your posts.

i can't tell if you're being serious. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you come to a conclusion as to who exactly i called an idiot, and whether or not i am for or against disarmament. reading + critical thinking might help.

the film does not advocate ending private gun ownership. (as the title of this thread claims).

the film does not in any way, shape or form "spread the false perception that resistance is futile, that none of those marked for death can or have saved themselves by fighting back." (as the author claims).

he conlcudes that because canada's parliament saw Screamers, that the movie calls for "WORLD PROHIBITION ON PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP"! ohnoes! :eek:

yellow journalism. gotta love it.

edit: But my second question about armed resistance turned the entire audience against me and elicited a humored dismissal from Garapedian about that being “an interesting NRA idea she had never heard before.”

what was the question? er... wait, you mean he didn't include it in the article?

boxbro
06-24-2010, 4:31 PM
System of a Down is the worst band that ever played music. They're really, really terrible. I already hate this movie just from seeing their name on it.
Edit: The title of the movie makes perfect sense, because System of a Down are indeed "screamers" in that that's what they do instead of sing.

I can only assume you don't like hard rock.
Musically they are simply amazing.
I hate their singer with a passion but to say they're the worst band that ever played music is beyond ridiculous.

CnCFunFactory
06-24-2010, 8:36 PM
They're not from Armenia. They were Armenian-American kids that started a rock band in Los Angeles back in the mid-90's.

--B
Um, you mean Glendale right....:43:

nso1
06-25-2010, 4:06 AM
System of a Down is the worst band that ever played music. They're really, really terrible. I already hate this movie just from seeing their name on it.
Edit: The title of the movie makes perfect sense, because System of a Down are indeed "screamers" in that that's what they do instead of sing.

System of a Down, the one riff that Korn plays, and Ranchero music will be playing in the background in my personal hell.

mcholak
06-25-2010, 8:49 AM
I don't remember the movie being anti gun. I don't agree with their politics but the movie was important to those of us who are of Armenian descent. They have done more to raise the awareness of the Genocide than any of the groups that are lobbying for recognition. Mr Obama promised to be the president to recognize it and call it genocide yet he didn't do so. I understand why, but that is why I always knew he wasn't going to do it. It is infuriating not only to see comments like "non issue". Let me kill off your people and deny it then lets ask your grandkids how it feels when we say it didn't happen, stop saying bad things about me. This country doesn't care about genocide unless it gives us impedance to invade a country or replace a dictator. It's sad but history makes my point for me. We either need to stop screaming about how bad it is or act upon it and I don't see either of those actually happening.

Gray Peterson
06-25-2010, 10:10 AM
I don't remember the movie being anti gun. I don't agree with their politics but the movie was important to those of us who are of Armenian descent. They have done more to raise the awareness of the Genocide than any of the groups that are lobbying for recognition. Mr Obama promised to be the president to recognize it and call it genocide yet he didn't do so. I understand why, but that is why I always knew he wasn't going to do it. It is infuriating not only to see comments like "non issue". Let me kill off your people and deny it then lets ask your grandkids how it feels when we say it didn't happen, stop saying bad things about me. This country doesn't care about genocide unless it gives us impedance to invade a country or replace a dictator. It's sad but history makes my point for me. We either need to stop screaming about how bad it is or act upon it and I don't see either of those actually happening.

THIS!!

I will be tracking down this film and watching it. In the meantime, it might be a good idea to check financial statements and see if there's any financial connection between Breitbart and Turkish interests. Though publicly they say nothing, privately the Turkish government and Turk NGO's have been waging an information war campaign of denial that the Ottoman massacre of the Armenian population even happened. Every time any western country has challenged, they have threatened to withdraw from NATO and align themselves with the Soviets (now Russians). Also, admitting the genocide would cause political problems with the Kurdish population, too. It's a mess.

sideshowhr
06-25-2010, 10:17 AM
i'll assume you're referring to my 'non-issue' comment. i did not intend for you or anyone else to take it out of the context i thought i said it in. i meant the issue the thread title and article try to force upon the reader is a non-issue. you could easily figure that out by reading my posts.

you can watch it here for free btw:

http://www.youtube.com/user/screamersmovie

TheCilician
06-25-2010, 2:45 PM
I run into this problem all the time. People talking about things they have not done their research on. Before you assume ANYTHING about the documentary about genocide, you should...you guessed it, watch the documentary.

The documentary does not take a stab at disarmament, perhaps a short mention of how Hitler disarmed the Jewish and German population before he set his "chess" pieces in position for invasion; although I can't remember if this was mentioned in the movie because I watched it a while back.

Logical question...Why would the decedents of Genocide survivors, and now patriotic Americans who fight big-gov't, be opposed to disarming the citizens of a country; namely this one? Maybe if you all just sat back, did some much needed research you'd see that the band members for SOAD advocate suppressed/voiceless/defenseless people to be armed, be it weapon or political action.

boxbro
06-25-2010, 3:20 PM
Logical question...Why would the decedents of Genocide survivors, and now patriotic Americans who fight big-gov't, be for disarming the citizens of a country; namely this one?

FTFY ;)

Carlosa
06-25-2010, 4:08 PM
thanks for the link sideshowhr.
yeah i don't really see any anti gun message here.
that is definitely a big stretch, and a fail.
honestly this documentary is more of a self absorb look at how awesome soad thinks they are, a keep buying our records, promotion piece of sorts.
I mean "music by soad" is a bit of an under statement it's more like staring SOAD....

I mean if this is a call for action... it fails to hint as what type of action? buy more records maybe??

grammaton76
06-25-2010, 4:23 PM
29 posts, and no one has asked if this Screamers movie actually has Peter Weller in it?

Gray Peterson
06-25-2010, 5:44 PM
29 posts, and no one has asked if this Screamers movie actually has Peter Weller in it?

THIS!

383green
06-25-2010, 6:36 PM
Or Jeff Goldblum, for that matter. :whistling: