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rgs1975
06-21-2010, 6:55 PM
I'll be heading out on a mountain lion & deer hunt in the next couple months. For PD against the lions and a super slim chance of perhaps black bear which of the two guns would you bring as a side arm. Both guns are ridiculously accurate, both are heavy and both carry about the same.

Don't really care about any other guns as these are two I have and I'm not going to buy a new gun for this.

Semi-Auto S&W PC1911 .45ACP w/8 round magazines (230gr FMJ or 230gr Fed Hydrashok)

Revolver S&W Model 586-7 .357MAG w/7 round cylinder (180gr Buffalo Bore hard cast lead flat point)

Vacaville
06-21-2010, 7:02 PM
Can't beat a .357 revolver for dinking around in the wilderness.

paintballergb
06-21-2010, 7:14 PM
I would take the .357.

FUBAR
06-21-2010, 7:18 PM
The wheelgun bud.

lewdogg21
06-21-2010, 7:21 PM
The words "heavy sidearm" and "hunting" don't go together for me. Who needs more stuff to lug around ;)

Take the .357 i guess.

Fjold
06-21-2010, 7:24 PM
Neither, carry your rifle. Unless you're hunting with the handgun, then take the wheelgun. Where are you hunting lions?

Rule .308
06-21-2010, 7:27 PM
The wheel gun for sure.

silverfj40
06-21-2010, 7:40 PM
Convert your 1911 to 460 Rowland

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm


http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/460press.htm


http://www.concealco.com/ccu_460row.html


Good luck on your hunt!


http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn139/silverfj40/Pistols/460cougar.jpg

remyjoeboxer
06-21-2010, 7:52 PM
dude I want a lion! where is this done?
.357. Besides 7 shots ought to scare the bejesus out anything alive, or wanting to remain alive.

den888
06-21-2010, 8:06 PM
.357 with the heavy 180 grain bullets

1st5
06-21-2010, 8:28 PM
I carry a .357 along with my rifle. It has served me well over the years to have a sidearm. Sometimes the animal I've shot has landed in a deep ditch or think brush and it is just easier to leave the rifle and go retrieve the animal with the handgun ready.
One time (at band camp) I thought for darn sure the big 3 point blacktail was dead. I put two 180 grain .30-30's into the pump house and watched him auger in to the ferns. I watched for a few minutes and he didn't move. So I went to get the jeep. When I got back I left the rifle in the jeep and went to retrieve the deer carrying just my 6 inch .357 Blackhawk. It was loaded with 200 grain wadcutters. And I had a belt full of ammunition. Well, he wasn't where I had left him. He was standing in the trees 30 yards away looking real sick. This was ten minutes or more after the shot! I ended up having to shoot him with the handgun to finish him off. Autopsy showed my .30-30's missed the heart and lungs forward by a couple of inches. He was one tough buck.
Now, if I had my dream revolver, I would have a Redhawk in .44 magnum. .357 is good, but .44 mag is better.
Pig hunting I always have a handgun as back up. Cats, well, better to have your long gun at hand and be quick with it if it gets to the point you have to defend yourself. You can always feed them the long gun if you miss and get to your sidearm.
FWIW I plan on trying out my .45 this year. We'll see what I think of that.

sevensix2x51
06-21-2010, 8:30 PM
Neither, carry your rifle. Unless you're hunting with the handgun, then take the wheelgun. Where are you hunting lions?

this. youve already got it in your hands, and it will have five times the takedown power of either handgun. just bring more cartridges.

jaymz
06-21-2010, 8:34 PM
Well, seeing how you aren't going to go get yourself a 10mm, I guess my vote's for the .357 mag.

BigDogatPlay
06-22-2010, 8:01 AM
Between the two options given, I'd opt for the .357. The 180 grain solid is going to do a lot better on game or on a thicker skinned predator.

FWIW, I always carry some manner of handgun when hunting. If your rifle breaks, or you've set it aside to cross a fence and get surprised, you'll be happy to have a handgun. It is also a better choice than your rifle for delivering a coup de grace if you have to.

rgs1975
06-22-2010, 8:03 AM
Thanks for the info. For the record I do not plan on hunting with the handgun. It's simply a backup piece.

Snapping Twig
06-22-2010, 8:17 AM
Heavy cast in a revolver is the correct choice.

I always pack a 3" .44 when I hunt in addition to a rifle. There are those times when it's useful.

Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

bjl333
06-22-2010, 9:54 AM
Heavy cast in a revolver is the correct choice.

I always pack a 3" .44 when I hunt in addition to a rifle. There are those times when it's useful.

Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.



My choice would be a 4" 44mag, but since thats not available then the 357mag. You probably don't wanna go with one of the fast expanding rounds, coz it wouldn't get into the vitals in a b.b.b.b. (big bad black bear). Get a round with heavy weight and good penatration, probably a heavy soft point.

Just was your hard casted flat point bullet ... yeah that !!

acourvil
06-22-2010, 10:06 AM
Probably the .357. Note that if you do go with the .45, FMJ ammo is not allowed for hunting.

lazs
06-22-2010, 1:13 PM
I have not killed bear but have seen them killed with 44 mag heavy cast loads and they work well.. I have killed hogs and deer with 44 mag and would chose that over a .357.

I would not carry a semi auto on a hunt or for backup unless I had no other choice. I did carry a high standard 22 semi auto for a while for killing wounded deer but never used it for that.

I think a .357 in the right hands would do the job but I don't have much experiance with killing more than jacks with em. I am very comfortable with a good 44 mag revolver tho. Single action or double in any brand you care for with at least a 4" barrel.

Fjold
06-22-2010, 3:43 PM
You do know that you can't hunt mountain lion in California, don't you?

Rob454
06-22-2010, 6:15 PM
IMO a 357 would be your best bet for SD in the woods. Also I dont see how you are gonna get surprised by a bear. A cougar I can see but a bear LOL. ive hunted deer and seen bears. usually the closest Ive seen a bear was about 20 yards away. He did not surprise me or frighten me. he wanted nothing more than to get away from me. He sniffed my way and saw caught a scent and caught the next thing smokin and was gone.

Cougars are a little different since they tend to ambush. But as far as hunting no you cant. but you can kill it if it tries to attack you. And its only gonna do that if it sees you as weak or easy prey

GunLover
06-22-2010, 7:32 PM
357 every time between the two. Rather have 44mag at the least though.

picasso
06-22-2010, 7:38 PM
Revolver S&W Model 586-7 .357MAG w/7 round cylinder (180gr Buffalo Bore hard cast lead flat point)

This.

tbhracing
06-22-2010, 8:16 PM
Me- I would take my Glock 19. Yeah, yeah, I know, but I love my 9mm for CCW.

advocatusdiaboli
06-22-2010, 8:47 PM
A Black Bear will very rarely attack you--they are timid by nature unless provoked (cubs, cornered)--they are not Grizzlies--not even close. Cougars will attack you if starving--they'll risk what they know is dangerous. Given that, I'd go with a .357--more likely to get more than one shot off and you might miss the first or even second. 44 sounds great until you need the third shot. Wheel guns are more reliable than semi-autos if you are worried, but I'd take a .357 Auto and not worry--it will take a cougar easily and, as I said Black Bears don't worry me. I've been climbing in the Sierra for over 2 decades and never had an encounter with a Black Bear where I needed a firearm--never. Don't expect to either--it's their nature--they are docile big beasts. That's why the Grizzlies got killed off and they didn't--the meek sometimes do inherit if man is the decider.

map
06-22-2010, 9:56 PM
I'd go with the .357 mag. Have fun!

Echidin
06-22-2010, 10:20 PM
.357 if I had one.

remington
06-30-2010, 4:52 PM
.357 Vaquero is what I have and use. Looks cool also!

sniper4usmc
06-30-2010, 4:57 PM
.44 mag Raging Bull

resident-shooter
06-30-2010, 5:06 PM
a pump action 12ga. Give it a pistol grip with no stock and hold it with one hand :D

bjl333
06-30-2010, 5:10 PM
Me- I would take my Glock 19. Yeah, yeah, I know, but I love my 9mm for CCW.



I hope you have a high tolerance for pain !!! You gonna need it when the B.B.B.B. (Big Bad Black Bear) gets piss off at you for shooting him with a 9 mil.

AAShooter
06-30-2010, 5:50 PM
I would take the one you are more comfortable shooting and carrying. It might come down to which one has the better holster for carrying all day along with good retention.

k1dude
06-30-2010, 5:58 PM
Ugh. Both are heavy weapons. Of the two take the .357 wheelgun. If you wind up in a wrestling match with a bruin or cat, you don't want the slide getting jammed up.

But in the future, you might think of getting something lighter that packs a wallop. Something in titanium or scandium with a 3" or 4" barrel and at least .41 mag.

Ding126
06-30-2010, 6:01 PM
Glock 20 (10mm )

bjl333
06-30-2010, 6:35 PM
with a 3" or 4" barrel and at least .41 mag.




Most people thinks a great PD gun would be good for bear or mountain lions. A good bear defense gun to me is a 3-4" S&W 29 or 629 with atleast a 240gr solid slug going out...

tEN wOLVES fIVE sHOOTER
06-30-2010, 7:57 PM
When hunting Puma's I don't like being under gunned, at home I have any number of guns I use for self defense, but in the woods or wilderness even when carrying a rifle, I always have my Ruger 44 mag flat top Blackhawk, when hunting big cats, you never want to be unarmed, I learned a long time ago when a big cat is in the area, and you don't have Lion dogs with you, these cats will hunt you at the same time you think you're the only one doing the hunting, therefore if you only have a rifle, you don't want to sit it down and walk away from it, cats are opportunist and extremely smart, if they see you're hands are free, they will make there move, this is when having a worthy side arm can save your bacon, I wear mine in a cross draw, for easy access and it's out of the way of my rifle when carrying. it's better to have the right guns and be prepared than to go off with false securities. these are things I've learned over the fifty years of hunting I've done, the 45 acp and 357 mag, are man stoppers, not dangerous game stoppers, cats are unpredictable and very fast when they make there move, you need to be ready when the time comes, and most aren't. IMHO


Regards

tEN wOLVES

Doheny
06-30-2010, 8:03 PM
\ If you wind up in a wrestling match with a bruin or cat, you don't want the slide getting jammed up..

:eek:

I think you've been watching too many late night movies. If it gets to that point, you'll already a dead man.

Brian2217
06-30-2010, 11:51 PM
If those are your only choices, I say take the 357.

turbogg
07-01-2010, 12:22 AM
I remember my Father going on a Salmon fishing trip in Alaska many decades ago. He was told by the chief guide of his group that due to the large bear population feeding in the same rivers that they'd be fishing in, it was mandatory that everyone carry a side arm. The absolute minimum caliber recommended was 357. Enough said.

E Pluribus Unum
07-01-2010, 12:33 AM
I'd take the wheel gun. .45 does a lot of damage to the meat and has a terrible trajectory over distance.

Honestly, I think the 9mm is very good for distance hunting. It has good velocity for a straight trajectory, and not so much diameter that meat is destroyed.

k1dude
07-01-2010, 6:29 AM
:eek:

I think you've been watching too many late night movies. If it gets to that point, you'll already a dead man.

You need to read actual accounts of attacks. There's usually plenty of time and opportunity during a mauling. Seconds feel like an enternity.

Squidward
07-01-2010, 12:14 PM
Revolver S&W Model 586-7 .357MAG

DaveFJ80
07-01-2010, 12:53 PM
S&W 500

Flouncer
07-01-2010, 1:24 PM
Has anyone of the posters here ever been attacked by a Mountain Lion or a Black Bear while hunting Deer IN CALIFORNIA ?? :(

E. Fudd
07-01-2010, 1:34 PM
A Black Bear will very rarely attack you--they are timid by nature unless provoked (cubs, cornered)--they are not Grizzlies--not even close. Cougars will attack you if starving--they'll risk what they know is dangerous. Given that, I'd go with a .357--more likely to get more than one shot off and you might miss the first or even second. 44 sounds great until you need the third shot. Wheel guns are more reliable than semi-autos if you are worried, but I'd take a .357 Auto and not worry--it will take a cougar easily and, as I said Black Bears don't worry me. I've been climbing in the Sierra for over 2 decades and never had an encounter with a Black Bear where I needed a firearm--never. Don't expect to either--it's their nature--they are docile big beasts. That's why the Grizzlies got killed off and they didn't--the meek sometimes do inherit if man is the decider.

List of fatal black bear attacks in the 2000's: none in CA, but a significant number elsewhere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America_by_dec ade#Black_Bear