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Arteel
06-20-2010, 10:14 PM
I'm looking for some opinions on my design for a featurless grip. I've come up with a rough draft and just want to be sure this will be legal to use on a featureless rifle with a regular magazine release.

Unlike the MonsterMan grip, I am able to wrap my thumb around, which results in a pretty solid grip.

Once I am confident this will be legal, I will pin the stock and permanently attach the grip. This is just a fun project for personal use.

Disclaimer: Mag lock and 10/30 magazine installed.

Enjoy!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/DC2Projektz/Picture084.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/DC2Projektz/Picture085-1.jpg

Hopi
06-20-2010, 10:16 PM
Perhaps too close to a 'thumbhole' stock?

Shave it so there is a gap between the grip and the stock and you should be good to go.

slappomatt
06-20-2010, 10:19 PM
or you could use one of those ace stocks so there would be more room and not have to worry about pinning it. just an Idea. +1 for working on featureless. I think my next AR will be featureless. mag release and preban mags FTW!

tiger222
06-20-2010, 10:27 PM
I like it!

paintballergb
06-20-2010, 10:28 PM
Perhaps too close to a 'thumbhole' stock?

Shave it so there is a gap between the grip and the stock and you should be good to go.

I was thinking the same thing.

dieselpower
06-20-2010, 10:31 PM
two problems I see
1) It appears while you can grasp it as a non-pistol grip style, I can see it would be easy to grasp it with the web of the hand below the exposed portion of the trigger. The thumb can easily just creast the top leaving the web far below the trigger.
Just by looking at the top of the fin as the no-no line you can see your web is below.

2) Thats a thumb-hole stock as it stands.

I too am making a grip, I will not be mass producing them and its a custom piece for me. maybe it will be done by summer. i will post pics then.

Arteel
06-20-2010, 11:11 PM
My response in bold.

two problems I see
1) It appears while you can grasp it as a non-pistol grip style, I can see it would be easy to grasp it with the web of the hand below the exposed portion of the trigger. The thumb can easily just creast the top leaving the web far below the trigger.
Just by looking at the top of the fin as the no-no line you can see your web is below.

Wouldn't that make Exile Machines's design illegal?
http://www.exilemachine.com/

2) Thats a thumb-hole stock as it stands.

I can see how this can be seen as a thumbhole stock. The reason I made it that long was because I was going to pin the fin to the bottom of the stock simultaneously fixing the stock. Oh well, I can easily shorten the fin as Hopi suggested.

I too am making a grip, I will not be mass producing them and its a custom piece for me. maybe it will be done by summer. i will post pics then.

Dangerpin
06-20-2010, 11:16 PM
Certainly better looking than Exile Machine.

TurboChrisB
06-20-2010, 11:44 PM
Guess it's all relative...but I couldn't disagree more.


QUOTE=Dangerpin;4488899]Certainly better looking than Exile Machine.[/QUOTE]

cmace22
06-21-2010, 8:33 AM
Certainly better looking than Exile Machine.


I couldn't agree more.

Fate
06-21-2010, 10:14 AM
Design is currently a thumbhole stock. No go.

Shortening length and leaving a gap would make the design legal. Ignore dieselpower. He's wrong about the "web of the hand" issues.

AJAX22
06-21-2010, 10:18 AM
interesting... a bit bulky for my tastes...

you know if you hollowed out the top of the fin part, the stock could still collapse and adjust...

but would then be a 'feature'

dieselpower
06-21-2010, 11:15 AM
My response in bold.

exile machines grip places the web of the hand above the exposed portion of the trigger...be it that its a slight elevation, its still above. Your grip is in line with the exposed portion. As I see it you have an awkward pistol grip, but its still a pistol grip.

as someone said, ignore me. just because I can grasp your ar15 with a pistol style grasp doesnt mean anything.
this is just my 2 pennies
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu272/Wiringguy/picturegrip5-3.jpg
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu272/Wiringguy/Picturegrip5-1.jpg

how to make yours legal. once again, this is just me and I could be wrong here. and make sure its not a thumbhole stock.
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu272/Wiringguy/Picturegrip5-2.jpg

Arteel
06-21-2010, 12:03 PM
Diesel,

The fin is just a prop for now. It will be higher once permanetly attached.

Thank you for your thoughts.

norcal.xd
06-21-2010, 1:08 PM
its too close to call........ i would try to post a (is this legal) question on the leo page to get some advise.........people can tell you all day that its kool/legal, but it only takes 1 leo to not see it your way.........

Arteel
06-21-2010, 2:22 PM
Ok, here's the revised version. Not the prettiest, but what featureless AR doesn't look funky?

Muzzle brake installed, grip does not allow the web of your hand to be below the exposed trigger, and fixed stock. Can I remove my mag lock now?!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/DC2Projektz/featureless1.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/DC2Projektz/feartureless2.jpg

dieselpower
06-21-2010, 8:48 PM
I dont see a problem here. I'd do it.

Fate
06-21-2010, 9:07 PM
its too close to call........ i would try to post a (is this legal) question on the leo page to get some advise.........people can tell you all day that its kool/legal, but it only takes 1 leo to not see it your way.........

Ahhhh newbies. :rolleyes: For many of us old timers, this isn't our first rodeo with this section of the Penal Code. ;)

That design looks good to go Arteel as long as that stock is fixed (Just clarifying for the noobs. Haha).

BMWguy206
06-21-2010, 9:42 PM
I like it and true that any featureless build is going to look funny. You just have to install an ambidextrous selector safety switch. It'll make things so much easier for you.

With your "grip" try to do some speed combat reloading, tac/admin reloads, and different shooting positions like prone and urban prone and see how your hand feels. My only concern is how your thumb or the webbing part might feel after holding it for awhile.

When I first installed the Exile Machine Hammerhead my hand was getting numb doing some drills till I found the perfect grip that works (overhand). I also did a 1-day rifle/carbine course with it and had no issues. However, having the pistol grip does feel a lot better on these courses.