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Mr_Monkeywrench
06-19-2010, 9:17 PM
I was just curious, what rifle does the Mexican armed forces use? I have a co-worker that served in the Mexican army back in the 70's and he said standard issue was the FAL. Is that still the case?

rorschach
06-19-2010, 9:18 PM
They used the G3 for a while too, now they use the FX-05, a G36 knockoff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FX-05_Xiuhcoatl

xxINKxx
06-19-2010, 9:18 PM
Lots of info with all sorta of different weapons they currently use

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

Not sure how accurate or updated it is.

Josh3239
06-19-2010, 9:18 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army#Regular_infantry

Toast
06-19-2010, 9:21 PM
I'm pretty sure they use AR's now.


edit: Nvm, I have seen AR's but maybe the drug fighting guys use em? :shrug:

Tumerboy
06-19-2010, 9:28 PM
Not sure about the Army, but around Puerto Vallarta, the Federales were carrying Galils.

titus7
06-19-2010, 9:40 PM
Well whatever they carry, rest assured they got them from some right wing extremist Bible thumping gun toating conservative rednecks that made the initial purchase from one of those out of control gun shows...you know the ones where you can buy grenades and rpg's right out of the trunks of cars, with the money they made from moon shine!!

Retzius
06-19-2010, 9:44 PM
Has the Mexican army ever participated in any "multi-national" peace keeping effort? Iraq or Afghanistan?

Not hating. Just curious...

E-120
06-19-2010, 9:44 PM
Your stolen guns...

Legasat
06-19-2010, 10:10 PM
I wonder how mant of the "guns traced back to America" were originally sold to the Mexican Army, that are now in the hands of the drug cartels?

thevic
06-19-2010, 10:26 PM
tortilla launchers

ddcorral2622
06-19-2010, 10:26 PM
I drove about 26 hours from SoCal to my family's ranch in mexico. I went through atleast 15 checkpoints on ny way there and i saw all kinds of guns! Fal, Fx-05 ,G3, Mp5, Mk 19's, 50.Cal turret things, I'm pretty sure I saw some m240-B and M16's, Some shotguns too. I think I might have taken a few pics too, or atleast some video. I need to double check. The sad part was I had to hide my electronics through every checkpoint because ive been whamboozled a couple times

50 Freak
06-20-2010, 2:26 AM
The Federalies in TJ sport Fal paras. All in pretty beat up condition. But beautiful neverless.

Blownmotor
06-20-2010, 2:34 AM
Looks like a ACR

darksands
06-20-2010, 3:35 AM
Has the Mexican army ever participated in any "multi-national" peace keeping effort? Iraq or Afghanistan?

Not hating. Just curious...

They are busy with the war on drugs.

bondmid003
06-20-2010, 5:31 AM
Their main battle rifle is the aforementioned G36 knock off

alpalwal
06-20-2010, 10:50 AM
I was in Cancun a couple months ago and the military (or maybe police in camo?) were carrying ARs/M16s.

joedogboy
06-20-2010, 11:43 AM
They are busy with the war on drugs America.

And keeping their own unhappy masses (the ones that they don't ship North) under control.

tiger222
06-20-2010, 11:46 AM
The Chihuahua 5000 - shoots a subcaliber 223 sabot, it's bark is much worse than it's bite :)

advocatusdiaboli
06-20-2010, 1:29 PM
I wonder how mant of the "guns traced back to America" were originally sold to the Mexican Army, that are now in the hands of the drug cartels?

Most I'd guess. A large number of the Mexican police and military have be shown to be very corrupt in general and in cahoots with the various cartels. The War on Drugs is un-winnable where such widespread, top-to-bottom corruption exists. Yet Calderon (as previous Mexican presidents have) maintains the illusion that Mexico has the rule of law and it is the US that is to blame for the cartel violence, illegal immigration, and gun and drug running. Laughable if the results weren't so serious. Is he corrupt or stupid?

Vacaville
06-20-2010, 2:08 PM
I went down there recently and all the military and police that I saw were carrying AR's.

BigBamBoo
06-20-2010, 2:51 PM
...............

bigstick61
06-20-2010, 3:44 PM
They even still use older guns in the national rural militia force known as the Rurales, to include the later Mexican Mausers in 7X57 and .30-06, the Mondragon rifle (7mm), the M-1 Garand, and the M-1 carbine. The Mexican armed forces use a wide variety of weapons and this increases if you include their police forces, who use weapons the military does not, such as AKs.

Joey_H
06-20-2010, 4:12 PM
I went on a cruise to Mexico last year, there were Mexican army soldiers at just about every place we visited on the shore excursions. I saw one soldier with an AR 15 so shiny I was thought it was chromed. He walked by me and it wasn't chromed, the anodizing was completely worn off! I could still see the blackness on spots in nooks and crannies where you can't wear it off by use. I wondered just how old was that AR? ;)

Ulyses83
06-20-2010, 4:16 PM
Well my last trip to Mexico i was riding around on quads on the State of Nayarit Mexico. I seen some Federalis with look to me like m16 or AR's. As soon as i took this Pic they looked back at me and kinda gave me the LOOK. Freaking Loud DSRL Canon. http://yfrog.com/0efederalisj
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5872/federalis.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/federalis.jpg/)

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GM4spd
06-21-2010, 11:49 AM
Their armory is owned by the same company that makes the Mexican
Space Shuttle. Pete

Surf Hunter
06-21-2010, 1:09 PM
I went down there recently and all the military and police that I saw were carrying AR's.

That is all I saw the last three years we have been in southern Baja. I'll keep better tabs this year.

Full Clip
06-21-2010, 1:13 PM
Has the Mexican army ever participated in any "multi-national" peace keeping effort? Iraq or Afghanistan?

Not hating. Just curious...

I'd be happy for them to just deal with their own internal peace-keeping problems, which are quickly becoming our problems.

orangeusa
06-21-2010, 2:01 PM
My Dad and I went to Matamoros (cross the border from Brownsville) in November last year. The Mexican border police were carrying M4's or M16's (I'm not an AR expert), but they had full body armor.

The place we were going to was about 200 yards from the border BTW... :)

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stix213
06-21-2010, 2:28 PM
A few years back I did a 5 stop Mexican cruise. I believe you can determine how dangerous a city is simply by the weapons carried by the local police. For example, in Puerto Vallarta most police are carrying a pistol of some kind, while in Acapulco most of the police had AR's and submachine guns.

SMGLee
06-21-2010, 3:05 PM
Lengthy discussion and detail pictures can be found here on the home grown FX-05

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?82106-Mexican-Assault-rifle-FX-05-Xiuhcoatl-(-Update-w-Picture)

23 Blast
06-21-2010, 3:33 PM
I think the wikipedia article about the Mexican army said their standard issue rifle was the G3 in .308, while their special forces carried M-4's.

FWIW, I went to Cancun back in 2005, and I saw lots of soldiers/cops (from what I can tell, many cops down there seem to have combat dress as their normal uniform) carrying M-16s.

Back in 1988, when I was a kid, my family took one of those three-day cruises where one of our stops was Ensenada. I remember gawking at the soldiers everywhere carrying rifles. You don't typically see that in American cities, especially back in 1988. Anyway, IIRC, the Mexican troops were carrying M-16A1's, with the Vietnam-style smooth handguard.

Saigon1965
06-21-2010, 5:49 PM
There are no standards - I've been stopped numerous times - Never paid a peso - Was stopped at a Mil check point outside Morelia - Young soldier wanted my pocket knife - Told him he couldn't have it -

What is the standard bribe now days for check points,etc.?

Take care,stan

Jessse
06-21-2010, 6:07 PM
I've seen different stuff, mostly FALs at the military checkpoints all over Baja. At a toll booth near Mazatlan a couple of them had UZIs. Local police forces usually carry AR types. You'll even see Policia Ministerial carry AK types.

Ultimate
06-21-2010, 6:20 PM
They are now using the FX05 a rifle they developed that at first had issues with HK but HK after privately revising internal parts retracted their law suit. At least that's the last I heard.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4346/fx05g3007au9sk0.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/FX-05_Shdowcrwler.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4954/desfile2009552.jpg

Mr_Monkeywrench
06-21-2010, 9:49 PM
Nice pics man!!

Cali-Shooter
06-21-2010, 10:15 PM
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1821/gedc0714resize.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/gedc0714resize.jpg/)

Picture taken by drive-by shooting (weapon used was a General Electric E850). Summer 2009. Pictured: Mexican Marines on patrol on the outskirts of Ensenada. There is a truck with more Marines on the left outside of the picture.

I've seen Army soldiers with FAL's, M16A2's, and they had a Hummer with a MK19 Grenade Launcher at a Military Checkpoint. The most common rifles I've seen were FAL's and M16's.

jvpark
06-21-2010, 10:37 PM
Your stolen guns...

prove it! the VIN numbers have been changed. :):)

seriously... why so many different guns?

Kynoch
06-21-2010, 11:24 PM
Most I'd guess. A large number of the Mexican police and military have be shown to be very corrupt in general and in cahoots with the various cartels. The War on Drugs is un-winnable where such widespread, top-to-bottom corruption exists. Yet Calderon (as previous Mexican presidents have) maintains the illusion that Mexico has the rule of law and it is the US that is to blame for the cartel violence, illegal immigration, and gun and drug running. Laughable if the results weren't so serious. Is he corrupt or stupid?

Cut off the demand (which is 99% USA) and the supply system would wither and die within a matter of months on its own. Stop hiring illegal aliens (in the USA) and they would stop coming to the USA for jobs and a better life.

Stupidity is rarely laughable -- it's typically pitiful.

X-NewYawker
06-21-2010, 11:59 PM
I wonder how mant of the "guns traced back to America" were originally sold to the Mexican Army, that are now in the hands of the drug cartels?

The FBI says that IS the main source of drug dealers guns -- US made guns sold to the MExican ARMY who them sold it to the drug dealers -- because they don't need them because they are not in IRAQ...

John Sukey
06-22-2010, 9:45 AM
You might ask why the drug cartels would buy American guns smuggled over the border when they can go to their SOUTHERN border and get all the guns with rock and roll switches from folks like Chavez.

Kynoch
06-22-2010, 10:06 AM
You might ask why the drug cartels would buy American guns smuggled over the border when they can go to their SOUTHERN border and get all the guns with rock and roll switches from folks like Chavez.

No way. Mexican drug lords are not going south to procure firearms from Venezuela. That's ludicrous. A head of state for their country? Sure. A drug lord? No way. By far the easiest market to illegally procure firearms by such groups would be the good old USofA.

The easiest place in all of the Americas to procure firearms is the USA -- other countries have rather tight gun control laws compared to the USA -- including California.