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1JimMarch
06-18-2010, 12:24 PM
Firing mechanism is "pinfire", an antique type of cartridge used in late-19th-century Europe.

http://www.imagehut.net/images/06t6qditg2hocsblf4.jpg

What happens if you convert a modern 357Mag to this sort of thing? :D

bwiese
06-18-2010, 12:30 PM
Holy moly!

Lead-Thrower
06-18-2010, 12:32 PM
Even if it is legal, good luck finding the ammo...

Window_Seat
06-18-2010, 12:38 PM
Even if it is legal, good luck finding the ammo...

More than that, good luck NOT getting arrested, charged, convicted (without a jury or trial) & executed (if it's legal).:eek:

Erik.

gun toting monkeyboy
06-18-2010, 12:51 PM
Reloadable ammo is out there. The kit runs around $210. Cases are between $3-5 a piece, but can be reloaded several times. As for the legality, I have no idea. It has what appears to be a front hand grip on it, and a greater than 10 round magazine capacity. But it would also most likely be an antique, which could very well put it beyond the scope of the AW ban. And probably the 1933 NFA and 1968 GCA. I would try to get an official opinion from somebody in writing on it before I brought it in. It does look like fun though. Any idea what caliber it is? Pinfires normally came in 7, 9 and 12 mm versions, with 7 and 12 being the most common.

1JimMarch
06-18-2010, 12:52 PM
Some deranged tinkerer of a gunsmith came up with that sucker, that's for sure.

Barabas
06-18-2010, 1:18 PM
Words, they fail my sense of awe.

That's almost as beautiful as the earliest revolver still in existence.

http://www.maihaugen.no/Global/Maihaugen/Bilder%20Maih/Utstillinger/Revolver.jpg

dfletcher
06-18-2010, 1:32 PM
I vote for legal. Each cylinder is separate and carries (I guess) six shots, the cylinders outside the gun's barrel to frame area are not actually a feeding mechanism until they are indexed into the frame. I'd say holding them together in this fashion is no different than those Ruger 10/22 10 round mags that snap together.

That big bronze device is not a feeding device itself, it merely holds 9 separate feeding devices. At best, it feeds the separate feeding devices.

I realize there may be a hole or two in that theory, but that's what I'd be telling the cops as they haul me away anyhow.

Barabas
06-18-2010, 1:35 PM
I don't think it really matters unless it isn't an antique. The ammunition isn't readily available and it can't fire modern ammo.

Antiques and blackpowder guns aren't firearms until they're loaded.

thayne
06-18-2010, 2:06 PM
The original assault weapon!

Aldemar
06-18-2010, 2:11 PM
Great Cesar's Ghost....a revolving revolver:eek:

Possible 10 round limit issue??

Smithereens
06-18-2010, 2:13 PM
I got a name... OCTOVOLVER

OlderThanDirt
06-18-2010, 3:19 PM
Even if it is legal, good luck finding the ammo...

Good luck finding a holster.

Librarian
06-18-2010, 3:27 PM
Good luck finding a holster.

Really - IWB could be lots of fun.

Thanks for a pic of a really interesting gun.

stix213
06-18-2010, 5:04 PM
If you do pick this one up, please post a video of it being shot :)

loather
06-18-2010, 5:41 PM
WANT

name change
06-18-2010, 6:58 PM
dam, how heavy is this sucker?

CSACANNONEER
06-18-2010, 7:08 PM
Pinfire reloading kits are available and this gun would be perfectly legal in Ca. It does not even require DROSing it!

turbogg
06-18-2010, 7:14 PM
http://www.imagehut.net/images/06t6qditg2hocsblf4.jpg

What happens if you convert a modern 357Mag to this sort of thing? :D

What happens? You'll be the envy of every Calgunner on planet earth. :D

Cokebottle
06-18-2010, 7:17 PM
I don't see a "shoulder thing that goes up"... looks legal to me!

CSACANNONEER
06-18-2010, 7:23 PM
I don't see a "shoulder thing that goes up"... looks legal to me!

BUT, it has a pistol grip to allow the shooter to keep firing without having to reload.

Cobrafreak
06-18-2010, 7:23 PM
Build it in .500 S&W or you are a WIMP!:D

jamesob
06-18-2010, 10:41 PM
19th century street sweeper

jdberger
06-18-2010, 10:47 PM
http://www.imagehut.net/images/06t6qditg2hocsblf4.jpg

Sweet! a 48 shot revolver!

;)

Rockit
06-18-2010, 10:57 PM
I'm gonna say...as a cop...legal; I'm not gonna screw with anyone over it.
But if I see it in your house will you show me how it works??? Please???

Meplat
06-19-2010, 12:22 AM
On my way to St Ives, I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks.
Each sack had seven cats.
Each cat had seven kittens.
How many were going to St Ives?

:D

Firing mechanism is "pinfire", an antique type of cartridge used in late-19th-century Europe.

http://www.imagehut.net/images/06t6qditg2hocsblf4.jpg

What happens if you convert a modern 357Mag to this sort of thing? :D

Meplat
06-19-2010, 12:31 AM
Build it in .500 S&W or you are a WIMP!:D

I think that hunk of iron would tame the .500 recoil.

loather
06-19-2010, 9:35 AM
On my way to St Ives, I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks.
Each sack had seven cats.
Each cat had seven kittens.
How many were going to St Ives?

:D

Just one. :) Though, within the 49 sacks held by the seven women, there are a total of 343 cats and 2401 kittens. Good lord that's a lot of ... well, you know.

http://www.jokedujour.com/cat/pile%20of%20kittens.jpg


Anyways, back on topic:

I'd say it's legal. Wow, what a display piece! I'd have to make a special display case for it and show it off to anyone who came by the house. That thing is just too cool.

Librarian
06-19-2010, 10:22 AM
On my way to St Ives, I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks.
Each sack had seven cats.
Each cat had seven kittens.
How many were going to St Ives?

:D

Funny in this application, but that version doesn't scan - As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits.
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were going to St. Ives?

I prefer 'Every' to 'Each' - in some pronunciations that gives 8 beats per line up to 'Kits, cats...'

Just your morning pedantry ... :)

bigcalidave
06-19-2010, 11:33 AM
I want! I don't get the pinfire guns, especially the micro ones. That's a creative hunk of metal though! What holds it together? Why isn't there a top strap ?

stan
06-19-2010, 11:42 AM
On my way to St Ives, I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks.
Each sack had seven cats.
Each cat had seven kittens.
How many were going to St Ives?

:D


well if you passed them on the way there, one could assume they might be going the opposite direction, and thusly 0 of them going to st. ives?

Meplat
06-19-2010, 11:52 AM
But I was, so the answer is one. As pointed out by loather.:p

well if you passed them on the way there, one could assume they might be going the opposite direction, and thusly 0 of them going to st. ives?

Meplat
06-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Presumably, the base pin of the cylinder cluster. I would not push the pressure.


I want! I don't get the pinfire guns, especially the micro ones. That's a creative hunk of metal though! What holds it together? Why isn't there a top strap ?

Roadrunner
06-19-2010, 12:57 PM
Firing mechanism is "pinfire", an antique type of cartridge used in late-19th-century Europe.

http://www.imagehut.net/images/06t6qditg2hocsblf4.jpg

What happens if you convert a modern 357Mag to this sort of thing? :D

If you read the California law, it says that it isn't even considered a firearm unless it's loaded. I don't see how it could be illegal since it's not a machinegun. It's just unusual because it has several cylinders.

Cody
06-19-2010, 6:43 PM
dam, how heavy is this sucker?

Not only that...but what's the f*#ing holster look like? :eek:

-Cody

CDFingers
06-20-2010, 5:00 AM
This one is legal. But you'd need maybe three more to take care of such a huge nest--not that you'd want to. I'm just sayin...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff254/CDFingers/duckfoot1.jpg

CDFingers

AJAX22
06-20-2010, 5:31 AM
The chamber on a cylinder is not an ammunition feeding device.....

It is the chamber of the firearm.

An ammunition. Feeding device feeds cartridges into a fixed chamber.

ALSystems
06-20-2010, 5:54 AM
The three barreled pistol above I believe was called a "Duck's Foot". It was designed to fire all barrels simultaneously. It was like an early pistol sized shotgun for short range firing.

ALSystems
06-20-2010, 6:07 AM
How about this strange pistol:
http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/huh.jpg
This was called the Josselyn Chain Pistol which is displayed at the Smithsonian. As you can see, it has about 20 cylinders (1 bullet each) connected like a bicycle chain. This was 22 caliber rimfire made in 1866.

Another strange one:
http://benjaminwhitmer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/cub268_z_f1_h-tfb.jpg
This was a Jarre Harmonica Pistol. It was a 10-shot pinfire pistol. There is one displayed at the Winchester Gun Museum.

motorhead
06-20-2010, 1:24 PM
if it was manfactured prior to 1899 it isn't even a firearm. convicts and kids can own one.
i always liked the le mat myself. 9 shots revolving around a shotgun bbl.

chuckdc
06-20-2010, 1:49 PM
It's not an assault weapon, because it is not semiautomatic. It's a revolver. It has some interesting features, but in the end, it's still a revolver.

Vacaville
06-20-2010, 2:02 PM
Very cool.