View Full Version : Liberal SPLC Does Not Like GOA, Or Larry Pratt

06-17-2010, 2:12 PM
I studied the history of the Southern Poverty Law Center in undergrad, and have generally had some respect for them. Now it seems like they have run out of real stuff to do, and have decided to simply become another far left "boot-licker" organization.

In their recent article entitled "Meet the 'Patriots'" - they profile several people, including the head of the GOA.

While I think the GOA is "out there" sometimes, I don't perceive them as a threat to this country like the SPLC does!

Here is their quote about the 35 people profiled in this article:

In the last year and a half, militias and the larger antigovernment "Patriot" movement have exploded, accompanied by the rapid expansion of other sectors of the radical right.

How can wanting to live under the Constitution be antigovernment????


Out of the Barrel of a Gun

Larry Pratt

When it comes to sniffing out sinister plots to disarm gun owners, Larry Pratt and the Gun Owners of America (GOA) are constantly on the lookout.

Health care reform? It's a plot to take your guns, according to the GOA website.

Environmentalism? You guessed it — another plot to take your guns. At the Ninth Annual Freedom 21 Conference in Texas in 2008, Pratt warned that "the major goal of the sustainable development movement is to disarm Americans."

Pratt, the GOA's executive director, was scheduled to speak at the "Second Amendment March" in Washington, D.C., this April 19. The event, which the GOA helped sponsor, was designed to let politicians know they had better not support anti-gun legislation. Patriot and other radical groups were also expected to participate.

There's one tiny problem. There's no evidence that the government is plotting to strip citizens of their guns. President Obama has even signed legislation allowing guns in national parks and on Amtrak trains. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has given Obama an "F" on every issue on which it graded him.

But that's not stopping the hard-line GOA, which claims more than 300,000 members and doesn't believe in any gun restrictions at all. When armed citizens began appearing outside presidential events, Pratt addressed it in a column on the GOA website. "There are those who don't like Americans owning guns at all, let alone carrying them openly. They can be counted on to run around squawking like Chicken Little that the sky is falling."

Pratt may be the figure most responsible for introducing the militia concept to the radical right. He authored Armed People Victorious in 1990. Based on this study of "citizen defense patrols" in the Philippines and Guatemala — groups that became more commonly known as death squads — Pratt offered a flattering portrayal and promoted militias for the United States.

Two years later, in 1992, he was invited to a Colorado meeting where the outlines of the militia movement were shaped. More than 150 extremists attended the meeting, which was hosted by a white supremacist minister. In 1996, Pratt was ejected from the co-chairmanship of Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign over such associations with white supremacists.

06-17-2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks - got kind of busy with work and dogs and stuff like that for a while - schedule finally starting to get back to normal. . .


Gee - Nice to see you here finally..

06-17-2010, 2:30 PM
I do think GOA gets sidetracked on a lotta stuff that's not a gun org's business - which has limited/curtained any usefulness.

That being said, SPLC sees "gun" and thinks "redneck" even though the people SPLC purports to protect need guns the most.

06-17-2010, 2:38 PM
I know Morris Dees has an antigun background but I admired his work at SPLC years ago, winning civil cases and having Klan property deeded to the victim's family is fine by me. I do not stay much abreast of their current work but have heard they are not the same organization they once were.

06-17-2010, 2:46 PM
All these other groups are a direct result of NRA being too cautious (or not representing as a whole). People get tired of hearing "The time is not right yet".

Sometimes caution and no action IS the right answer at the time.

Some things cannot be pushed. Can you imagine the damage if Heller were run up back in 1985?

06-17-2010, 2:58 PM
^ Stopping the Hughes Amendment in '86 would have been a nice thing to do at the time that they could have done.

06-17-2010, 3:17 PM
How can wanting to live under the Constitution be antigovernment????

Easily, when the government is in habitual violation of the said Constitution.

06-17-2010, 3:19 PM
According to the SPLC we're all potential terrorists.......


Google MIAC Report for more info.

06-17-2010, 3:47 PM
Here is the MIAC Report.

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Missouri_Information_Analysis_Center:_The_Modern_M ilitia_Movement,_20_Feb_2009

It did not end well for MIAC:

As of MARCH 27, 2009 the entire report was scrapped and letters of apology were sent to Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.[. . .] Legislation was passed in Missouri which included an amendment to cut funding to the MIAC should it again engage in political profiling, and the director of the MIAC was reassigned.


According to the SPLC we're all potential terrorists.......


Google MIAC Report for more info.

06-17-2010, 3:55 PM
ETA: even liberal pundits are accusing SPLC of "mission creep."

Here is SPLC failing to criticize a "hate group" because it is "liberal."


Here is SPLC attacking the entire animal rights movement:


Here is SPLC being criticized for its white employees treating its black employees like they work on a plantation:


The SPLC seems to have steered clear of scandal in recent years, but it received plenty of bad press in the mid-1990s. In 1994, the Montgomery Advertiser published a series of investigative articles alleging improprieties, including financial mismanagement and institutionalized racism. Black former employees of the center complained that white supervisors ran it “like a plantation.” The series was a nominated finalist for a Pulitzer Prize in 1995, but Dees orchestrated a lobbying campaign to stop publication and prevent it from being considered by the Pulitzer board.

More info here:


06-17-2010, 4:35 PM
The Southern Poverty Law Center is so biased it's hard to take this organization with any seriousness.

06-17-2010, 5:36 PM
During the last century, the splc were quite impressive, but now their rank and file members really remind me of cult members.
I used to be quite left and liberal and used to think that as a lefty radical that I would need a gun one day when the "right wing nazi's took over" ... of course I didn't know history- that the "nazi's" were socialist.
SPLC needs crisis and emergencies to keep its funding up- that's why they do the majority of their lawsuits, like the westboro baptist chumps- they use the legal system for profit.
So the leadership creates hysteria so they can profit and the rank and file are just kooky cult types who believe everything the leadership says is gospel.
I would dismiss them except obsessive compulsive loons can be quite dangerous.

06-17-2010, 7:01 PM
According to SPLC, you are a hate group if you believe in a strict and literal interpretation of the Constitution, believe the US should enforce its immigration laws, are a member of any RKBA organization and/or are not a good sheeple. As far as I'm concerned, these people have absolutely no credibility. I don't care what they may have done in the past, their recent an current behavior is reprehensible.