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Average Joe American
06-17-2010, 10:35 AM
I was jut wondering if cops check firearms for being on the list of illegal firearms mostly on random encounters during traffic stops and other public encounters...

Or is there an organization that goes around enforcing and verifying that your firearms is not on the list of illegal firearms at ranges and out on BLM land ect ect.

Basically, say I owned a 100% Ca. legal Colt AR15. Why should I be fearful that it may be mistaken for a Colt 6920 which is on the illegal list?

Are there any LEO's that have ever checked and released in a situation like this? Or worse are there any LEO's that have arrested someone or confiscated a gun even though its perfectly legal?

Just curious because the AR15 is the most popular rifle in California right now. Do folks get stopped and inspected at the range? Out in the desert? On BLM land? Anywhere?

upinflames2400
06-17-2010, 10:40 AM
theres sometimes stories on here of people getting there things taken away. my freinds and i always keep a flowchart on us for proof. it actually worked too when a chp up near bishop wanted to take my freinds ar but he showed him the chart and proved why he could have it. just know your rights and the laws within them.

Rhythm of Life
06-17-2010, 10:42 AM
theres sometimes stories on here of people getting there things taken away. my freinds and i always keep a flowchart on us for proof. it actually worked too when a chp up near bishop wanted to take my freinds ar but he showed him the chart and proved why he could have it. just know your rights and the laws within them.


Its sad how we must inform the law of the law.

But this is great advice, always keep copies of the flow charts on you.

upinflames2400
06-17-2010, 4:47 PM
I feel smart now

BONECUTTER
06-17-2010, 4:58 PM
Its sad how we must inform the law of the law.

Try and remember that LEO's can make mistakes. You may know why your stuff is legal cause that may be the only thing you have studied in the penal code.

Remember on top of gun laws, law enforcement need to know traffic/drugs/theft/violence/ect. and much much more. Not a easy amount of information and like cramming for a test some stuff you use a lot and some you will forget about.

Pass the attitude test and be sure to be able to politly explain why your rifle is legal (flow chart helps).

Droppin Deuces
06-17-2010, 5:05 PM
I have a lot of respect for law enforcement officers. Especially the ones who take their job seriously and do it right. Good doctors, lawyers and plumbers all do their homework. Why shouldn't a police officer have to do theirs? They signed up for the job. If it's too much to ask that they know the law then maybe they should think about going into a different line of work.

ArkinDomino
06-17-2010, 5:22 PM
There's a cop out there that is willing to trust a piece of paper that you hand them? Wow....

upinflames2400
06-17-2010, 5:53 PM
The good thing about those fliwcharts is that it also provides the codes so this will help in your debate. I respect police and they are just trying to do your job. Especially when your rolling up on a guy with weapons. Give them a break

GM_77
06-17-2010, 5:58 PM
There's a cop out there that is willing to trust a piece of paper that you hand them? Wow....

I think the calguns flow chart is distributed to many police departments so chances are they would recognize it but they probably don't carry it around.

daveyshooter
06-17-2010, 6:56 PM
Keeping a copy of the flow chart is a darn good idea.
The next is, don't talk to the police unless asked by them to show your weapons to them.
Try to be invisible in terms of being a shooter when you drive to and from the range.

One of my ARs was spyed upon by an off duty officer once while I was shooting at a range.
During one of the cold (down) range times, he approached me, and said, "that's a good idea, and what's that" (pointing to the BB).
The "good idea" was the extended take-down pin with a ring in it to speed up pulling that pin out for cleaning or top loading, which I NEVER do.

At a local gun show not too long ago, I saw a seller of ARs, AKs and some other goodies, when a local police officer stepped up and asked, "are these things legal".
The seller produced a copy of the Calguns AW flow chart.
It also showed me that the local police know nothing about stuff like that.
Well, maybe now they are a little more educated thanks to the Calguns flow chart.

Stay safe.

Dave

9mmepiphany
06-17-2010, 8:35 PM
I have a lot of respect for law enforcement officers. Especially the ones who take their job seriously and do it right. Good doctors, lawyers and plumbers all do their homework. Why shouldn't a police officer have to do theirs? They signed up for the job. If it's too much to ask that they know the law then maybe they should think about going into a different line of work.

you're speaking of a generalist as opposed to a specialist. that's why doctors, lawyers and plumber specialise, so they don't have to be as up to date on developements that don't relate directly to their field of expertise.

that's why you don't go to a Patent attorney for advice on Family Law or Real Estate Law or Sports representation

thayne
06-17-2010, 11:21 PM
FYI, Colt AR-15 IS on the banned list

ArkinDomino
06-17-2010, 11:27 PM
I think the calguns flow chart is distributed to many police departments so chances are they would recognize it but they probably don't carry it around.

Really? I have not encountered many LEOs (considering they are apparently circulating the chart at their HQ) that has even heard of "OLL".

dieselpower
06-17-2010, 11:30 PM
If you own a Colt AR15, then its either not listed by make and model to which if an LEO encounters you, he may or may not take it away. The flow chart is nice, but you are fooling yourself if you think you are going to talk an LEO out of something. AND EVEN MORE to the point you are fooling yourself to think CA LEO dont know about the list and law. I am friends with several LEO, they laugh after work at the bar and tell stories about how all they did was act dumb and the guy talked themself into jail.
Its best to say, "it is a legal firearm in CA" hand them the chart and STFU!

Notice I said "either" in the first line. Because most Colt AR15s are listed by make and model. If that is the case, for your Colt Ar15 to be 100% legal it was registered and all LEO have instant access to that registration list by name and firearm. So they will know in minutes if its Peerless time.

M14 Junkie
06-17-2010, 11:47 PM
I was jut wondering if cops check firearms for being on the list of illegal firearms mostly on random encounters during traffic stops and other public encounters...

Or is there an organization that goes around enforcing and verifying that your firearms is not on the list of illegal firearms at ranges and out on BLM land ect ect.

Basically, say I owned a 100% Ca. legal Colt AR15. Why should I be fearful that it may be mistaken for a Colt 6920 which is on the illegal list?

Are there any LEO's that have ever checked and released in a situation like this? Or worse are there any LEO's that have arrested someone or confiscated a gun even though its perfectly legal?

Just curious because the AR15 is the most popular rifle in California right now. Do folks get stopped and inspected at the range? Out in the desert? On BLM land? Anywhere?


I have never seen or heard of anyone being hassled at a range or anywhere else that it's legal to shoot at. And being hassled is what I think it would be if a cop or any other official type was questioning me about my guns.

Not to say it couldn't happen. That said, when I transport any guns, I always do it within the law and cover them up in my SUV in the back with a tarp and tool box that has my gun tools in it. So if I'm stopped for any reason, there's nothing in plain view.

I don't want any nosey bastards even asking me about them, period.