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calixt0
06-16-2010, 10:16 PM
I live inside the city limits of Vallejo and have a problem with wild cats and opossums in the back yard. neighbors on both sides don't keep their yards and one keeps cat food out 24/7. I've sprayed so many opossums with the water hose that its ridiculous. Is there any problem with killing these animals. I know I can't legally shoot in city limits and I would never break an ordinance like that however would it be illegal to kill at least the Opossums with a shovel or something like that.

If this is in the wrong forum sorry. this seemed like the most applicable one since its asking about laws.

Thanks for any information you all can offer.

383green
06-16-2010, 10:29 PM
I think this belongs in off-topic. This forum is just for 2nd Amendment related stuff, not for general non-weapon-related laws.

Anyway, if you're having trouble with cats and possums in your back yard, then I assume you don't have any dogs. My suggestion: Adopt a couple of dogs! House-train them. Put in a doggie door. Treat them with Frontline+ every month to keep them from getting fleas from the possums that they will LOVE hunting in the back yard. You'll need to clean up dog poop, but it's still a net win. :) The cats will probably stay away once the dogs move in; possums are stupid as rocks, so they'll still volunteer to be chew toys for your dogs.

adamsreeftank
06-17-2010, 12:31 AM
It might be a long night trying to kill an opossum with a shovel. Those things are tough. I would check with animal control.

Maybe try something like a stun baton:
http://www.selfdefenseweapons.com/images/stunguns/stun-baton-rechargeable.jpg

CABilly
06-17-2010, 12:31 AM
Call animal control. Get some traps, then call animal control when you've caught something.

Decoligny
06-17-2010, 6:53 AM
I personally would go with this.

It's quiet, it's as instant a kill as a firearm, and it is legal to fire within most city limits (YMMV check your local ordinances).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JIxm3qZRnhk/StiK6HxAAeI/AAAAAAAAADU/c_8V7vAAQvQ/s320/061211crossbow_2.jpg

gvbsat
06-17-2010, 7:07 AM
I live inside the city limits of Vallejo and have a problem with wild cats and opossums in the back yard. neighbors on both sides don't keep their yards and one keeps cat food out 24/7. I've sprayed so many opossums with the water hose that its ridiculous. Is there any problem with killing these animals. I know I can't legally shoot in city limits and I would never break an ordinance like that however would it be illegal to kill at least the Opossums with a shovel or something like that.

If this is in the wrong forum sorry. this seemed like the most applicable one since its asking about laws.

Thanks for any information you all can offer.

Yes, it is illegal to kill a opossum. So, if one happens to fall dead from natural causes on your property, keep it between you and the shovel. They are federally protected because they are the only indigenous marsupial. Kinda like the mountain lion deal. You get all the people in the city that dont deal with them screaming to protect them, but they breed like, well, cats from what I have personally seen. Especially this year, at least at my house.

gunwurkz
06-17-2010, 7:11 AM
Call animal control. Get some traps, then call animal control when you've caught something.

I'll call animal control, don't take matter in your own hands

gvbsat
06-17-2010, 7:38 AM
I would call them first to see what they do. I'll bet you ten to one they just let the varmint go right in front of your house.

YubaRiver
06-17-2010, 8:25 AM
Careful or you will be getting death threats from bunny huggers
like that fellow in Tahoe who shot a bear in his house.

http://www.sierrasun.com/article/20100527/NEWS/100529903&parentprofile=search

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-bearcubshot,0,2662045.story

Decoligny
06-17-2010, 8:39 AM
Yes, it is illegal to kill a opossum. So, if one happens to fall dead from natural causes on your property, keep it between you and the shovel. They are federally protected because they are the only indigenous marsupial. Kinda like the mountain lion deal. You get all the people in the city that dont deal with them screaming to protect them, but they breed like, well, cats from what I have personally seen. Especially this year, at least at my house.

Opossums are federally protected??

Do you have a cite for that?

I ask because you can get a permit to trap opossum in Texas.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/rehab/protected/

And according to the California Department of Fish and Game

(a) The following nongame birds and mammals may be taken at any time of the year and in any number except as prohibited in Chapter 6: English sparrow, starling, coyote, weasels, skunks, opossum, moles and rodents (excluding tree and flying squirrels, and those listed as furbearers, endangered or threatened species).

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/licensing/hunting/huntingfaqs.html

Seems kind of strange that the state would allow the year round taking of any number of opossums if the Feds had them listed as "protected".

calixt0
06-17-2010, 8:48 AM
Ok... found out I can trap and just drop off to the humane societ as many as I can catch... Going to go buy a trap today and see what I can catch and dropp off to them.

Thanks for all of your help and comments

aaronraby1
06-17-2010, 9:00 AM
Ok... found out I can trap and just drop off to the humane societ as many as I can catch... Going to go buy a trap today and see what I can catch and dropp off to them.

Thanks for all of your help and comments

humane society=anti hunting. just kill the possums. its not like they are endangered or anywhere near being threatened. what does the humane society do with them?? rerelease them so they can breed even more? the humane society should be worried about real endangered animals like the speckled bear and the amur leopard.

BluNorthern
06-17-2010, 9:05 AM
Possums are varmints...treat em as such.

professionalcoyotehunter
06-17-2010, 9:11 AM
I have a bow and live traps and will travel.:D

You can always target practice in your back yard and shoot them accidentally.

gvbsat
06-17-2010, 10:06 AM
Opossums are federally protected??

Do you have a cite for that?

I ask because you can get a permit to trap opossum in Texas.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/rehab/protected/

And according to the California Department of Fish and Game

(a) The following nongame birds and mammals may be taken at any time of the year and in any number except as prohibited in Chapter 6: English sparrow, starling, coyote, weasels, skunks, opossum, moles and rodents (excluding tree and flying squirrels, and those listed as furbearers, endangered or threatened species).

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/licensing/hunting/huntingfaqs.html

Seems kind of strange that the state would allow the year round taking of any number of opossums if the Feds had them listed as "protected".

Well, I just looked it up, and I did indeed have wrong info regarding the pest. The pest themselves are not federally protected, but their nest is, go figure. I should have known, because the information of them being fed protected was relayed by animal control to my FFL, and I must have read it wrong the first time I looked it up a while ago. So, my bad, just dont shoot the nest!

Meplat
06-17-2010, 10:17 AM
I know I can't legally shoot in city limits and I would never break an ordinance like that however would it be illegal to kill at least the Opossums with a shovel or something like that.

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:rofl2::rofl2: Possums are a cross between a tank and a :taz: Good luck :rofl2::rofl2:

Meplat
06-17-2010, 10:24 AM
Call animal control. Get some traps, then call animal control when you've caught something.

Use box traps. Sometimes animal control will loan them to you. Leg hold traps are outlawed in CA.

YubaRiver
06-17-2010, 10:26 AM
humane society=anti hunting. just kill the possums. its not like they are endangered or anywhere near being threatened. what does the humane society do with them?? rerelease them so they can breed even more? the humane society should be worried about real endangered animals like the speckled bear and the amur leopard.

Don't confuse the local Humane Society, which takes in stray animals,
with the Humane Society of the United States, which is an animal rights
lobbying group.

Meplat
06-17-2010, 10:28 AM
All true, but possums are too damn dumb to know they are dead even with a firearm. Use a bow with enough power to put a broadhead bolt all the way through and be prepared to have the neighbors frightened by a bloody possum.


I personally would go with this.

It's quiet, it's as instant a kill as a firearm, and it is legal to fire within most city limits (YMMV check your local ordinances).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JIxm3qZRnhk/StiK6HxAAeI/AAAAAAAAADU/c_8V7vAAQvQ/s320/061211crossbow_2.jpg

Decoligny
06-17-2010, 10:41 AM
All true, but possums are too damn dumb to know they are dead even with a firearm. Use a bow with enough power to put a broadhead bolt all the way through and be prepared to have the neighbors frightened by a bloody possum.

Or just go with a bow fishing rig. That way you just play him until he's worn out, then smash him with a shovel. :D

Meplat
06-17-2010, 11:08 AM
Don't confuse the local Humane Society, which takes in stray animals,
with the Humane Society of the United States, which is an animal rights
lobbying group.

They are the same. They do some good work and some bad.

Meplat
06-17-2010, 11:24 AM
"I'll call animal control, don't take matter in your own hands "

Welcome to the neutered America.

Turo
06-17-2010, 11:47 AM
It might be a long night trying to kill an opossum with a shovel. Those things are tough. I would check with animal control.

As with 2-legged varmints, it's all about shot shovel placement. I remember one in particular that only took one pellet and a well placed behind-the-skull shot with a shovel.

That said, I've seen a grown man hit one multiple times with a shovel, and it "played opossum" and was gone the next morning. They are some tough sons of guns, but they can be defeated!

N6ATF
06-17-2010, 11:57 AM
"I'll call animal control, don't take matter in your own hands "

Welcome to the neutered America.

Especially when your local animal control circular files all reports...
"There's no {common species of animal} there, you're just imagining it."

Meplat
06-17-2010, 12:41 PM
I once went possum hunting with a pitch fork.

We had the poultry thieving marsupial cornered in a 12” concrete irrigation header pipe. My uncle was at one of four entrances with a rifle, my father-in-law was at another with a shotgun. We built a small smoky fire at the up-wind portal and they stationed me at the last entrance with a pitch fork.

Of course the critter tried to make its escape through my area of operations. I was standing astraddle the pipe entrance, hay fork in both hands, hands raised over my head, ready to strike straight down with the killing blow! Out waddles the culprit, right between my legs. I strike! Good shot; I centered the sucker with the fork, right behind the shoulders! Then I realize the beast has but two scratches on its back and the center two tines of my trusty weapon are bent. Dam! About this time the vicious monster starts thrashing and hissing and snapping those scary looking jaws at my ankles. I start high stepping and poking and stabbing like crazy with the fork. The oversized rat turned and made a dash (as well as a possum can dash) for the tall grass. My pursuit was at best half hearted.

Way to impress a new father-in-law. He commented to the wife’s’ uncle that if he had raised the same shotgun a little higher instead of just peppering my tailgate a couple years before the family would be better off.




As with 2-legged varmints, it's all about shot shovel placement. I remember one in particular that only took one pellet and a well placed behind-the-skull shot with a shovel.

That said, I've seen a grown man hit one multiple times with a shovel, and it "played opossum" and was gone the next morning. They are some tough sons of guns, but they can be defeated!

stix213
06-17-2010, 2:32 PM
I agree with the suggestion to get some dogs. Your yard will be free of your current troubles and you will have some new friends.

adamsreeftank
06-17-2010, 2:42 PM
If it is legal and you really want to try, maybe a sledge hammer or a maul would work better than a shovel. Prepare to get messy and possibly need rabies shots when you are done.

YubaRiver
06-17-2010, 4:32 PM
They are the same. They do some good work and some bad.

Pardon me, but you are full of bubblegum.

http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/136-humane-society-of-the-united-states

D.M.C.
06-17-2010, 4:45 PM
If you actually bothered to do some naturalist/biology studies on possums, you'd find that possums are migratory pest-eaters. They rarely stay in one location past a season, and tend to be useful for ridding yards and gardens of beetles, roaches, and other harmful insects. They may look wacked-out, and believe me- the first time I stumbled upon one in *my* back-yard I was startled like heck, but they are not generally aggressive towards pets or humans, and stories of them carrying rabies and other transmitted diseases are myths. In fact, possums are incredibly resistant to rabies and other similar strains of disease. There's really no need to attack or kill them unless you have a major Alpha animal territorial instinct beating inside your heart. Just leave them alone and they will crunch on the insects for awhile and move along.

There's some educational links here:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/opossum.htm

http://www.opossumsocietyus.org/frequently_asked_questions.htm

http://www.rutherfordcounty.org/pets/pdfs/OPOSSUMS%20FACTS.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opossum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Opossum

(http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/opossum.htm)

Turo
06-17-2010, 4:50 PM
Lol I like your story best Meplat! :)

Meplat
06-17-2010, 4:52 PM
OK It would not be the first time. Please educate me.



Pardon me, but you are full of bubblegum.

http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/136-humane-society-of-the-united-states

Meplat
06-17-2010, 4:58 PM
They also love to munch laying hens and all sorts of small domestic stock, like rabbits.:43:



If you actually bothered to do some naturalist/biology studies on possums, you'd find that possums are migratory pest-eaters. They rarely stay in one location past a season, and tend to be useful for ridding yards and gardens of beetles, roaches, and other harmful insects. They may look wacked-out, and believe me- the first time I stumbled upon one in *my* back-yard I was startled like heck, but they are not generally aggressive towards pets or humans, and stories of them carrying rabies and other transmitted diseases are myths. In fact, possums are incredibly resistant to rabies and other similar strains of disease. There's really no need to attack or kill them unless you have a major Alpha animal territorial instinct beating inside your heart. Just leave them alone and they will crunch on the insects for awhile and move along.

There's some educational links here:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/opossum.htm

http://www.opossumsocietyus.org/frequently_asked_questions.htm

http://www.rutherfordcounty.org/pets/pdfs/OPOSSUMS%20FACTS.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opossum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Opossum

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/opossum.htm

aaronraby1
06-17-2010, 5:13 PM
I have a bow and live traps and will travel.:D

You can always target practice in your back yard and shoot them accidentally.

haha!! yesss!! i think we would get along well.

YubaRiver
06-17-2010, 6:04 PM
OK It would not be the first time. Please educate me.

Did you follow the link?

There is plenty more out there if you Google HSUS.

The local Humane Society may be filled with animal lovers, but at least
they build shelters and put their money and time where their mouth is.

The HSUS build NO shelters, uses ALL of the money they get
(and they are one of the largest private non profits in the country) for animal rights lobbying and to keep their their employees living in style.

They get this money partly by
purposely confusing what they do with hard working shelter volunteers
and employees.

They are much larger and nearly as rabid as PETA.

N6ATF
06-17-2010, 6:32 PM
IIRC, from someone in humane law enforcement:
HSUS & PETA bad
ASPCA good

Glock22Fan
06-17-2010, 9:38 PM
I could do with a couple more bobcats around, then maybe I'd have fewer rats, mice and ground squirrels. Fewer rats and mice equates to fewer rattle snakes as well. The only downside? I might have fewer rabbits mowing my lawn.

Fyathyrio
06-18-2010, 12:19 AM
I could do with a couple more bobcats around, then maybe I'd have fewer rats, mice and ground squirrels. Fewer rats and mice equates to fewer rattle snakes as well. The only downside? I might have fewer rabbits mowing my lawn.
For about $200 you can get a decent Gamo pellet gun with a scope...keeps the hunting skills sharp without violating the pesky no firearms laws. Haven't had a neighbor complain yet once they learn I pop the pocket gophers in the skull with it.

Glock22Fan
06-18-2010, 7:49 AM
For about $200 you can get a decent Gamo pellet gun with a scope...keeps the hunting skills sharp without violating the pesky no firearms laws. Haven't had a neighbor complain yet once they learn I pop the pocket gophers in the skull with it.

Where I live, we hear gunshots quite a lot. Sometimes the odd one dealing with a rattlesnake or coyote or nagging wife, sometimes someone fires a dozen or so (presumably practice) rounds. Nobody gives a cuss. I've got a .22 pellet gun, but no need to use it to keep the neighbors happy.

I tend to use "Havahart" traps for rats and ground squirrels. I can set several of these and fill them all overnight. That way, I don't have to sit in the dark when I should be sleeping. My record, with on (large) trap was 23 ground squirrels, one rabbit and a 5 foot rattlesnake in one twenty four hour period (rats can get out the mesh on that one). That's when the pellet gun comes in (except that I released the lawn mower).

rrr70
06-18-2010, 7:51 AM
Call Oaklamd PD.

Decoligny
06-18-2010, 7:56 AM
As with 2-legged varmints, it's all about shot shovel placement. I remember one in particular that only took one pellet and a well placed behind-the-skull shot with a shovel.

That said, I've seen a grown man hit one multiple times with a shovel, and it "played opossum" and was gone the next morning. They are some tough sons of guns, but they can be defeated!

It also depends on the angle of attack. Remember the shovel should contact the neck of the opossum at this angle | not this angle _

rjf
06-18-2010, 8:13 AM
Opossums also eat rats and snails.

gun toting monkeyboy
06-18-2010, 10:24 AM
I have had all kinds of problems with critters at my place over the years. But possums are one of the few that have yet to do anything wrong. They don't dig up the plants like gophers. They don't dig in the garbage like raccoons. They don't go after the baby lambs like coyotes. They don't go after the chickens and koi like bobcats and feral cats. Aside from being ugly, they have yet to do anything more offensive on my property than get into the havahart traps I set for other critters. And when that happens, I normally keep them in the trap long enough for the kids to look at them. And then I let the dogs look at them up close (still safetly in the the trap). And if they are particularly annoying, I might even spray them a bit with the hose to make sure they get the message. Then I open the trap door, and they are off like a shot. You would be amazed at how fast they can run. And how fast they can climb fences. I have yet to have a repeat customer. With that much mental trauma, they learn rather quickly to stay away. Truthfully, I could care less if they come back or not. As long as they don't steal the bait I have in the traps for bobcats, they can wander around all night eating the snails and bugs. Now, if I were planning on getting rid of them, and the local laws allowed it, I would go to walmart and get one of their crossman .22 pellet guns for $160, and spend an evening or two hunting over bait. Don't bother with a .177, as that won't generally kill them. Another option would be snare traps along the tops of fences, or other paths that they like to use. But again, I would check with the local laws, and F&G.

-Mb

383green
06-18-2010, 10:34 AM
The possums may be doing one thing wrong, though: harboring fleas. If you're going to trap them and release them, then maybe give them a good flea dip before letting them go? The fleas are not only annoying in their own right, but they also (if I'm not mistaken) are one of the links in the life cycle of tapeworms. My dogs occasionally get tapeworms, presumably by ingesting infected fleas from the rats and mice that they catch.

RobG
06-18-2010, 10:41 AM
Possum traps?? Don't be silly. One whack with a shovel and then...possum recipes (http://www.bertc.com/subfive/recipes/possum.htm)

Enjoy!!

gun toting monkeyboy
06-18-2010, 1:11 PM
I don't really worry about fleas. We have been treating both of our dogs with Frontline for several years. They run around in they yard, and the fleas jump on them, and prompty die. I have a friend that runs an externination company. He says that in the past 5 years, calls to deal with fleas have dropped off 98%. Frontline and Advantage have pretty much wiped them out as a long term pest for most people. You still might get the odd bite or two, but you won't see many of them if you nuke your pets regularly with either product. Oh, and here is another tip. Take a gallon ziploc bag, and fill it most of the way with cotton balls. Add either one of those chemicals, or just plain old permathin-based insecticide. Close it up and shake it around to get a bunch on all of the cotton balls. Then spread them out around your property. The local rodents will pick these up and take them back to their nests. And end up killing not only the fleas and ticks on them, but also wiping out the breeding grounds for more of them. Better living through chemistry.

383green
06-18-2010, 6:18 PM
Even though I rarely find a flea on my dogs, they still seem to get inside them... I have at least a couple of them with tapeworms at the moment, and I need to take them to the vet to get the shots/pills.

The flea-poisoned cotton ball idea sounds great!