View Full Version : HK USP or SIG 1911 .45 ACP?

06-14-2010, 3:18 PM
I was considering (after seeing in person), a SIG 1911 Nitron Rail, or a HK USP full fize .45.

I wanted to add another .45 ACP to my collection. I've never fondled either (but will tomorrow), and wanted to see what you guys liked?

My #1 priority is reliability.

I have some P220's, a G21, and some Para's.


Black Majik
06-14-2010, 3:37 PM
I shoot 1911 much better, but in this case I would go for the USP. I don't trust SIG to properly make a 1911.

Foriegn power
06-14-2010, 3:38 PM
You know what I'm in somewhat this situation, I love Glocks and I want to try a 1911 just for the many factors that come with it.

06-14-2010, 5:06 PM
My #1 priority is reliability.


06-14-2010, 5:37 PM
USP please

06-14-2010, 5:39 PM
I love the 1911's (X3), but can't say much about the SIG1911 coz I don't have one. I've handled the HK but didn't like the way they feel. My vote would be a 1911.

06-14-2010, 5:44 PM
Definately the HK USP. I own one and am impressed with the quality. The Sig 1911 has had numerous problems.

06-14-2010, 5:51 PM
If you're used to the feel of your P220, make sure to try the feel of the USP first. The backstrap contour is different. It might be a bit wider grip than you'd like, too.

I've been pretty happy with my USP.

06-14-2010, 6:10 PM
IMO, the USP....they're built like tanks

06-14-2010, 6:11 PM
I have a USP Compact and I love it. I do like the new Sig 1911s, especially now that they've figured out the whole faulty extractor problems that they were having with the early GSRs.

06-14-2010, 6:15 PM
I'm thinking if I like the feel of the USP (or compact), I'll go with that most likely?

Thanks everybody!

06-14-2010, 6:18 PM
I'm thinking if I like the feel of the USP (or compact), I'll go with that most likely?

Thanks everybody!

If you have the chance, check out a P30 or an HK45, they're improved versions of the USP and have adjustable backstraps and better ergonomics, BUT they're hard to find seeing that they're not on the CA DOJ roster. You'd have to find one that was LEO or do a PPT from someone that moved into the state.

06-14-2010, 6:40 PM
get a usp tatical and if you need to, cut the threads off the barrel or tack weld on a thread saver.

06-14-2010, 7:09 PM
Both are great guns. I don't know why sig doesn't get respect with their 1911, many magazine editors claim it is one of the highest quality in its price range. For me it is an easy choice: are your hands sized for a double stack gun or a single stack gun? If you like the feel of the P220, you will probably like the GSR more as it is a bit slimmer than the USP. In any case, shoot both and see what you like. You have more control on the guns performance than it does so see what you shoot best.

06-14-2010, 8:03 PM
For me it is an easy choice: are your hands sized for a double stack gun or a single stack gun?

+1 Length-of-pull for me on a full size USP is not right due to my short fingers. The USP Compact felt quite nice though. I have a Sig1911 and couldn't be happier except for wanting a Greider short trigger installed.

Capt. Speirs
06-14-2010, 8:25 PM

06-14-2010, 9:41 PM
i have no background with SIG, but i have fired a USP at the range at multiple occasions, i really like the HK. Sturdy firearm and accurate to my taste.

2 cents.

06-15-2010, 12:22 AM
My USP 45 is 100% accurate and reliable. I will be picking up my Nitron Rail in a few days. You can't go wrong with either!

06-15-2010, 1:11 AM
I personally think Sig has done a damn fine job improving their 1911s since the GSR days. They have truly improved, I have shot a few at the range and they feel and shoot just like my MC Operator.

Give Sig a change, you already own one of their .45s. If you like your 220, you'll love their 1911. Plus, if you're planning to put an accessory on the rail (light, etc) the USP has a proprietary rail. Sigs have the universal rail.

06-15-2010, 5:39 AM
Between the two. USP for sure. Shoots any ammo without a problem and its a proven gun.

06-15-2010, 6:26 AM

06-15-2010, 7:09 AM
I like both but own the Sig 1911. Over 1200 rounds and only one ftf within the first 50 rounds. Very accurate and reliable now that it has broken in. The USP 40 I tried out had multiple feeding problems, but I blame the range more than the gun.

As far as I understand, problems with the SIG's were in the early batches of GSR's under SIG arms... Sig Sauer marked slides are problem free, as long as you can deal with looking at an external extractor.

06-15-2010, 7:38 AM
on the other hand, ive never heard of any USP being recalled for quality reasons. only imroved to meet higher standards. of course the USP also holds more rounds and is lighter.

as for range guns, those do not count as they are not maintained properly most of the time. heck ive seen range glocks and range sigs jamming all the time. so im not gonna base it on the loose occasion

06-15-2010, 8:26 AM
I own both and for different reasons they are outstanding pistols.

While I've never had a issue w/ my Sig 1911, the USP would get the nod if reliability was the #1 priority.

06-15-2010, 9:26 AM
+1 on the HK. The common thing I hear about those guns as they are as reliable as reliable can be they will feed anything. I found that for comp shooting the 1911 pattern guns allow for faster follow up shots (the HK does have more muzzle flip - but the recoil feels softerin my opinion), but my friend's Kimber has a FTF or other problem every match. He can clear it fast, but it wouldn't be my first choice for anything else than IDPA matches.

Big drawback for some people is the size, but it fits me just fine.

Oh, and the HK45 isn't on the approved Gun list for California (unless that changed in a week since I last checked). So you are "stuck" with a USP if you live here and aren't an LEO.

06-15-2010, 9:36 AM


Nuff said.