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Westerner
06-14-2010, 10:14 AM
Watched Fox news lastnight, and it was great to see her speak out about the government's, nonsense terror list, and the individuals right to bear arms.:)

Racefiend
06-14-2010, 11:02 AM
For anyone that wants to watch it:

http://usaguns.net/patriots/sundaynews.html

About 13 mins in.

Personally, she sounds like another politician. Didn't directly answer any of the questions. But loads better than boxer.

bodger
06-14-2010, 11:06 AM
It will be interesting to see if she can get elected and then survive as a politician in this state if she continues to even infer that she's pro 2A.

Westerner
06-14-2010, 11:23 AM
Does anyone know how close the race is between these two?

GoodEyeSniper
06-14-2010, 11:26 AM
Does anyone know how close the race is between these two?

Have you ever seen an F15 race against a moped?

HowardW56
06-14-2010, 11:36 AM
Have you ever seen an F15 race against a moped?


And who is the F15?

jl123
06-14-2010, 11:41 AM
According to Rasmussen on the 11th.....48 Boxer, 43 Fiorina, 5% Other, 5% Undecided.

I realize this equals 101%.....

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/index.php/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/election_2010_california_senate

Purple K
06-14-2010, 11:42 AM
Fiorina is the F-15

shellyzsweet
06-14-2010, 11:53 AM
she may be a politician, and I don't believe HALF of what she says, but politics for me is all about choosing the lesser of 2 evils and putting your vote where it is gonna count the most. Therefore, she gets my vote.

BigDogatPlay
06-14-2010, 11:58 AM
Does anyone know how close the race is between these two?

It's kind of close right now, but Boxer has not yet begun to campaign and may not for many weeks yet. Boxer is going to have to conserve her money, to some degree, as Fiorina's fat checkbook can spend Boxer into oblivion.

The most recent Rasmussen number (probably the most accurate and likely the fairest methodology) from last week had it 48-43 in Boxer's favor.

Looking inside the numbers a bit PPP, which is known to be a Democrat leaning poll, had it at 45-42 Boxer over Fiorina about ten days before the primary. That kind of polling in a Democrat tilting poll makes old Barbara look more than a little weak.

Bear in mind also that Boxer will get very, very dirty the farther along it goes. The hallmark of any Boxer campaign is filth, particularly at the last minute. See Bruce Herschensohn 1992, But that said, Fiorina's campaign (assuming it is well run and not the typical CAGOP own toe shoot) has got 18 years of Boxer doing essentially nothing in the Senate aside from being a petulant harpy.

One thing that might make Boxer a bit vulnerable is her attachment to the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria, formerly the Federated Coast Miwok. The tribe was officially recognized by the U.S. government on December 27, 2000, pursuant to an act of Congress. California 6th District Representative Lynn Woolsey introduced the Graton Rancheria Restoration Act (105th CONGRESS, 2d Session, H.R. 4434) August 6, 1998. It was ultimately approved and signed by President Clinton as Title XIV of the Omnibus Indian Advancement Act (Public Law No. 106-568).

Representative Woolsey's original bill (H.R. 4434, later H.R. 946) would not have permitted the FIGR to have a casino. Senator Boxer removed that prohibition when she included Woolsey's bill in the Omnibus Act, which allowed the FIGR to go ahead and build a casino.

At the time the FIGR was looking into a large swath of land for their now okie-dokied casino near Port Sonoma which was, interestingly enough being repped by a guy named Doug Boxer.... which would be Barbara Boxer's son. After that bit of double dealing saw the light of day, the FIGR abandoned it's plans for Port Sonoma and has since been trying to get a development off the ground in Rohnert Park on a large patch of farmland that sits partially in a flood plain.

Suvorov
06-14-2010, 12:27 PM
For anyone that wants to watch it:

http://usaguns.net/patriots/sundaynews.html

About 13 mins in.

Personally, she sounds like another politician. Didn't directly answer any of the questions. But loads better than boxer.

I'd vote for Satan himself over Boxer, but then again you will never see Feinstein running against Boxer. :rolleyes:

HondaMasterTech
06-14-2010, 1:10 PM
Fiornia will not defeat Boxer.

OleCuss
06-14-2010, 1:50 PM
I'd vote for Satan himself over Boxer, but then again you will never see Feinstein running against Boxer. :rolleyes:

:rofl2:

Window_Seat
06-14-2010, 1:52 PM
Fiornia will not defeat Boxer.

...One of the major changes is in the political viability of gun control. In the past, politicians could use gun control as a crutch. It allowed them to look tougher on crime while doing nothing to actually address the difficult problems that begat real criminal mischief. That worked then because the major media wanted to believe (and had no evidence the other way) that disarming the public would lower violent crime. When you fast forward to now there are two counter trends. First, its now getting clearer - even to those who don't support gun rights - that the right to keep and bear arms is a real right like the right to an attorney or speech. Second, as violent crime falls while CCW spreads and the total purchase of guns skyrockets, the underlying social planning thesis doesn't match the facts.

When an otherwise compliant member of the Daley media pool questioned Mayor Daley on the efficacy of a gun ban to stop violence, it was the beginning of the end.

There will always be a small subset of die hard hopolophobes who believe in disarmament. However, they're actively losing the support of their fellow travelers because the incentives to supporting them are almost completely dead.

It's kind of like racism in the south in the 1970s. Lots of politicians would still claim to support segregation, but they knew they'd get nothing from passing new laws but new losses in court. Jesse Helms would tell a supporters rally that he'd pass some new anti-miscegenation law, "but those damn courts'll just overturn it." Government segregation died then. We are fast approaching that on gun control.

-Gene

When you put that together with people paying more attention to the national debt, the oil disaster, the failure of things like no-fly-lists, bailouts, etc. It's pretty safe (at least, for me) to predict that Boxer will be giving up that title that she has been too comfortable with for too many years.

Erik.

Westerner
06-14-2010, 1:53 PM
Fiornia will not defeat Boxer.

I hope this isn't true.:(

OleCuss
06-14-2010, 1:53 PM
Fiornia will not defeat Boxer.

I'm not so sure of that.

Whitman demonstrated that in this state getting out there with a lot of money and flooding the airwaves with ads really works pretty well. Implication is that Boxer may have to raise a powerful lot of money quite rapidly and start spending it early.

Since Boxer is looking weak during an election cycle in which Demorats and incumbents are struggling she may have severe fundraising issues.

Fiorina's money just may tip the scales in her favor. I wouldn't bet the house on it, but. . .

Big E
06-14-2010, 2:34 PM
I think she'll have more problems with her "Right to Life" statements than anything she has said up to this point related to RKABA.

Super Spy
06-14-2010, 2:43 PM
I think we'll end up happy about the senate seat, happy about the new governor, but likely not both. I'd prefer Fiorina as Senator and Brown as Governor but that just seems a long shot when you consider Meg's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. If polls show her anything but winning she'll spend even more. Megalomaniac will spend whatever it takes to buy this election. Only a Miracle can save us (Whistling, Thunder of hooves, Miracle the stallion comes running up.)

berto
06-14-2010, 2:47 PM
I think she'll have more problems with her "Right to Life" statements than anything she has said up to this point related to RKABA.

Yup. 2A isn't a big issue for many voters. Abortion is all Boxer's got and the only thing she's ever run on.

-hanko
06-14-2010, 2:53 PM
It will be interesting to see if she can get elected and then survive as a politician in this state if she continues to even infer that she's pro 2A.
Based on history, continued inferences of pro-2A during the campaign predict neutrality, at the best, once elected.

just sayin'...

-hanko

OleCuss
06-14-2010, 6:00 PM
100,000 people who hate Fiorina is a drop in the bucket compared to those who loathe Boxer.

Oh, and I thought she handled herself pretty well on the video that was linked. She's been pretty well coached.

CalNRA
06-14-2010, 6:24 PM
When you put that together with people paying more attention to the national debt, the oil disaster, the failure of things like no-fly-lists, bailouts, etc. It's pretty safe (at least, for me) to predict that Boxer will be giving up that title that she has been too comfortable with for too many years.

Erik.

You are assuming voters can understand the English language.

How would the voters who say, only speak their native language, know any of the issues?

Never under-estimate the damage that welfare recipients and voters who have other allegiances can do.

stix213
06-14-2010, 6:32 PM
Please let big money buy this campaign. We always hear about how the politician with the most money behind them always wins.... lets all cross our fingers that it is true just this one time :)

yellowfin
06-14-2010, 6:52 PM
Would have been nice to have gotten rid of Boxer BEFORE she did over a decade of damage, but maybe I'm just picky. Better severely late than never. Slightly.

tommygunr
06-14-2010, 7:12 PM
I'd vote for Satan himself over Boxer, but then again you will never see Feinstein running against Boxer. :rolleyes:

:laugh: Now that's sig worthy.

Carly Fiorina's got my vote but then again I've always voted against Boxer.

Havoc70
06-14-2010, 7:15 PM
I've always voted against Boxer as well, and there's a certain sinking feeling of futility while doing so. Maybe this time will be different.

Gio
06-14-2010, 7:24 PM
I hope Fiorina wins :D

VW*Mike
06-14-2010, 7:51 PM
Nobody knows. We can all sit around and play table politics and throw darts at the board, but in the end, all of us on here on Calguns are minuscule compared to the amount of voters in California, and the Democratic party as a whole. Nobody knows or can even really guess. We all now realize polls are worth nothing as they can change alot in a matter of days.

Does it look bad for her? Out of state issues aside, this state is worse off then it has ever been. She was around in the Pete Wilson days when the the proverbial **** pipe was broken and draining all over the lawn. In the last 18 years, pipe is still broke and all she has done is keep flushing. I hope the cancerous Obama comes and campaigns for her some more. He seems to do well at dooming candidates. He will be busy with Reid also. Lots of battles are coming, its going to be an interesting if not somewhat exhausting election year.

2Cute2Shoot
06-14-2010, 8:50 PM
Well I for one, as a girl, totally lost if for Fiorina when she said Boxer's hair was "so yesterday" and Whitman was dumb for going on Hannity. I just think of her as catty and petty....as if I even respected her at all before. So of course I will vote for her, but I do not put my faith in anything that she says :(

OleCuss
06-14-2010, 9:31 PM
I thought the hair thing was petty but the comments on Hannity seemed more reasonable. Just dumb to have the Hannity comments on the mike.

Super Spy
06-14-2010, 10:17 PM
I believe I met Fiorina once, and I can understand HP employees not having anything nice to say about her......even knowing that I'd probably have to vote for her over Boxer. I really wish we had a viable alternative, but I don't know of one....and Boxer needs to GO!

thayne
06-14-2010, 10:46 PM
:laugh: Now that's sig worthy.

Carly Fiorina's got my vote but then again I've always voted against Boxer.

Agreed :D

odysseus
06-14-2010, 11:09 PM
If that gives you a bitter taste, you will not be able to handle what most politicians say when they think they are off the record. That was mighty tame and sort of just pitching for fun, I can only imagine what Boxer says. Really, it's a quite bit sharper edged than that.

Well I for one, as a girl, totally lost if for Fiorina when she said Boxer's hair was "so yesterday" and Whitman was dumb for going on Hannity. I just think of her as catty and petty....as if I even respected her at all before. So of course I will vote for her, but I do not put my faith in anything that she says :(

thrillhouse700
06-15-2010, 1:26 AM
I want a "BYE BYE BOXER" shirt

N6ATF
06-15-2010, 1:34 AM
KO Boxer.
http://store.cstv.com/marketplace/store/Vendor343/fullscale/zbikgls000000-c.jpghttp://specfriggintacular.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/barbara-boxer.jpg

Nessal
06-15-2010, 1:14 PM
Well I for one, as a girl, totally lost if for Fiorina when she said Boxer's hair was "so yesterday" and Whitman was dumb for going on Hannity. I just think of her as catty and petty....as if I even respected her at all before. So of course I will vote for her, but I do not put my faith in anything that she says :(




She did what 95% of the female population does on a daily basis. What's the big deal?

bigcalidave
06-15-2010, 3:00 PM
Anything anything anything anything anything other than Boxer. She needs to retire.

EricFi1
06-15-2010, 4:24 PM
Even if you hate Fiorina, I hope she wins! Boxer needs to go, career politicians are nothing but slumlords. They do little, but stay in the limelight enough to get noticed and never get their hands dirty.
Fiorina might have her enemies.. but I'm sure she'll shake the snot out of the senate!! feinstein simply is a yes person. she's the twit who banned the .50cal in California!
feinstein will keep on winning because she caters to whatever's popular at the moment. She owns the bay area, but that's it.
It's sad that most voters vote ONLY their party line no matter what because that's what their parents did.
Heck years ago.. I voted for Ross Perot! I would've loved to see that shake up Washington!

Meg has a lot going against her.. she made enemies at eBay, BUT she made eBay profitable, as did Fiorina with HP, although HP merging with Compaq was a mistake, it nonetheless happened.
Fiorina needs to win. At least she'll shake things up, and that's what's needed.

nitrofc
06-15-2010, 6:47 PM
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And: There is a big difference between having worked for Fiorina for years (and in many cases having lost your job while she was running the company), and the general dislike of politician. Most employees will only ever encounter one CEO who is as "out there" as Fiorina was.

Boxer isn't even the senator most despised by conservatives or gun people - Feinstein and Schumer easily have her beat. Has the NRA ever gone out and campaigned against Boxer with robo-calls? No, but they have done that against Hillary Clinton.

That is a Fact Jack!

I Can't stand the sight of Schumer....and I'm not even from New York.
If there is a God.....This will be his last term.
He might do what his pal Dodd is doing and just retire just to save himself the Drama....time will tell.

I think Boxer will land up on the Bus.....time for her to take some time off, IMO.

yellowfin
06-15-2010, 7:12 PM
Schumer makes Satan look like a Boy Scout.

halon101
06-15-2010, 7:45 PM
According to Rasmussen on the 11th.....48 Boxer, 43 Fiorina, 5% Other, 5% Undecided.

I realize this equals 101%.....

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/index.php/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/election_2010_california_senate

that extra 1% would that be ACORN organizers?

cmaynes
06-15-2010, 8:11 PM
the reason Boxer will win-

her seniority (which will bring Soros type money into her campaign) and her stand on abortion rights.

Carly has about as much hope of beating her as Meg Whitman has of beating Brown. I wouldnt want either of them in office because they are too rich, and frankly I think they will just angle to enhance their fortunes. Especially Whitman.

If the gun community was strategically wise, they would not talk about who they support yet- but who they DONT support.

N6ATF
06-15-2010, 10:16 PM
Schumer makes Satan look like a Boy Scout.

The only good Schumer...

is this Schumer:

http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/imagehosting/68246aabbf70e0dd.jpg

Cool Gun Wife
06-16-2010, 6:25 AM
Palin endorsed Fiorina in the primary and will likely do it again for the general. Whatever you think of her, she is shrewd and knows how to support a potential winner. Fiorina is not all I would like in a Senator, but she is a damn sight better than another six years of Boxer and would help to put the brakes on Dear Leader's agenda which seems to be to run the country into the ground. So, while wishing things were different, I realize the they are not, so it is a vote for Carly.

cineski
06-16-2010, 7:50 AM
Whoever isn't Barbara Boxer.

And who is the F15?

Meplat
06-16-2010, 8:15 AM
I agree but Fiorina might.:p

Fiornia will not defeat Boxer.

Meplat
06-16-2010, 8:29 AM
How do you guys figure that Boxer is at a financial disadvantage? I bet she has stolen more money than Fiorina hes earned. It's just not as visible. She will figure ways to bring it to bear.:43:

Please let big money buy this campaign. We always hear about how the politician with the most money behind them always wins.... lets all cross our fingers that it is true just this one time :)

Lone_Gunman
06-16-2010, 8:42 AM
FWIW Carly didn't say Meg was stupid for foing on Hannity. She said it was an interesting choice for her first interview after winning the primary. I tend to agree. Meg is running for the leadership role in a pretty darn leftist state and she picks pretty much the poster boy for the "right wing media" for her first post win interview? Not a great call if you ask me. She is going to need some Dems and going on Hannity first thing isn't gonna help. Fiorona was right it was "interesting". I would even go so far as to call it dumb.

Meplat
06-16-2010, 8:46 AM
Schumer makes Satan look like a Boy Scout.

Every time I see that smug little smile of his I expect a forked tung to come flicking out.

hill billy
06-16-2010, 10:20 AM
A petulant harpy. What an accurate description. Just this once, I'd like to see money buy an election.

turbogg
06-16-2010, 11:59 AM
I realize this equals 101%.....

And that is exactly the kind of math that our government uses everyday!

advocatusdiaboli
06-16-2010, 9:43 PM
she may be a politician, and I don't believe HALF of what she says, but politics for me is all about choosing the lesser of 2 evils and putting your vote where it is gonna count the most. Therefore, she gets my vote.

Yep that's why I voted for Obama (damn stupid Republicans for nominating Palin) and will vote for Brown and will vote for Fiorina.

I hate that the Republican party made me vote for Obama because they put an American Taliban member in the VP slot on their ticket because I knew he didn't have the experience--which he is proving more and more. I hope they awoke from their stupidity and wont let her in again or I will vote against her (not for a Democrat) once again. I hate the two-party system.

BHP FAN
06-16-2010, 11:17 PM
No more Boxer! We could call it the [anti] Boxer Rebellion! ...or is that taken?

randy
06-17-2010, 5:19 AM
Yep that's why I voted for Obama (damn stupid Republicans for nominating Palin) and will vote for Brown and will vote for Fiorina.

I hate that the Republican party made me vote for Obama because they put an American Taliban member in the VP slot on their ticket because I knew he didn't have the experience--which he is proving more and more. I hope they awoke from their stupidity and wont let her in again or I will vote against her (not for a Democrat) once again. I hate the two-party system.


I know what you mean after all she was the only one that had executive experience, had delt with oil companies, a better understanding of oil drilling than any of the other candidates.

I guess that experience wouldn't have helped with the Gulf and BP now. Have you seen what your vote got ya? Even the Dems are bagging on their boy.

I have a hard time believing this many posts re: anybody running against Boxer.