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NaughtyMonkey
06-13-2010, 9:03 PM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d87/redneckpyro/Guns/DSCN0175.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d87/redneckpyro/Guns/DSCN0173.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d87/redneckpyro/Guns/DSCN0164.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d87/redneckpyro/Guns/DSCN0172.jpg

Its a M91/30 I got from Big 5, year is 1927 (thats why I got it)

I looked up the markings and stuff at 7.62X54R.net I found this out.

"This is a Russian/Soviet Dragoon or Cossack. They were made by Tula and Izhevsk"

Mine is a Tula.

After further reading I got this: "Shortly after the adoption of the M91 Infantry rifle two shorter versions were developed for mounted troops. The M91 Dragoon was intended for mounted infantry and the M91 Cossack for cavalry. At 48 they are 2 shorter than the M91's 51 . The primary difference in the two is the Dragoon was sighted with the bayonet attached and the Cossack was not issued with a bayonet. Cossack rifles are scarce today and easily recognized by the mark "Ka3" on the chamber. Production of these models only took place at Izhevsk and Tula and overlapped M91/30 production by a few years in the early 1930s. Most of these rifles were later updated to M91/30 specifications with new sights, handguards, and barrel bands, but will retain the earlier barrel markings shown on this page. They are commonly referred to as "ex-Dragoons" or "updated Dragoons" by collectors. "Updated Cossacks" are much less common, but have been documented.

The rifle pictured at the top of the page is in original configuration with the early flat rear sight leaf, no recoil bolt and the full length handguard which wraps around the rear sight base. The rifle pictured below is in the later configuration with the Konovalov rear sight, recoil bolt, and a shortened handguard. The rear of the handguards were often damaged and simply cut back and later were produced in that configuration. Dragoons and Cossacks which have not been fully upgraded with M91/30 sights often have M91/30 handguards and barrel bands. Among collectors the type of sights is the primary consideration when determining if a rifle is a Dragoon or ex-Dragoon regardless of the handguard and barrel band types."

Not sure I did this right or what does anybody else no?

No matter what not bad for a $99 weapon.

C.W.M.V.
06-13-2010, 9:14 PM
Yep looks like you have an ex dragoon. Very nice.
Id recommend getting an M91 while you still can. As soon as they show up they are gone!

NaughtyMonkey
06-13-2010, 9:22 PM
I have an M91 sniper and an M44 if you look in my other post and thanks for clarifying that its a dragoon, are they worth more then normal M91s?

C.W.M.V.
06-13-2010, 9:24 PM
I have an M91 sniper and an M44 if you look in my other post and thanks for clarifying that its a dragoon, are they worth more then normal M91s?

Not really.
You have an M91 sniper? never heard of that, pics please!

NaughtyMonkey
06-13-2010, 9:31 PM
An M91/30 PU sniper rifle. Not fully sure if its an original sniper though. But there are a few pictures here, I'll take better ones later. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=311468

C.W.M.V.
06-13-2010, 9:34 PM
Oh I see. Not the same rifle. M91 as in the origional configuration of the M.N. The M91/30 is a different rifle.

M91
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t322/dotson_kc/0000_small.jpg
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t322/dotson_kc/0001_small.jpg

M91/30
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t322/dotson_kc/0003_small.jpg

NaughtyMonkey
06-13-2010, 9:36 PM
My bad on leaving out the /30 lol. haha.

C.W.M.V.
06-13-2010, 9:37 PM
By the way, nice collection!

NaughtyMonkey
06-13-2010, 9:38 PM
By the way, nice collection!

Thank you. I want more! haha.

mosinnagantm9130
06-13-2010, 11:29 PM
Very nice ex-dragoon!

About the PU, it's a 43, so it's in the right date range. When you take pictures of it, be sure to get pictures of markings on the scope. Get good pictures of the barrel shank too.

NaughtyMonkey
06-14-2010, 2:24 AM
I'll take better pictures tomorrow of it, I'm tired and its late lol. So if it was a 44 it would not be right?

mosinnagantm9130
06-14-2010, 11:44 AM
I'll take better pictures tomorrow of it, I'm tired and its late lol. So if it was a 44 it would not be right?

Well, most PU's were made from 42-44. I know of one original PU from late 41, and there are some made from 45-47, just not many. Any PU built on a hex receiver is a fake, as are any built 1940 and before. I would be highly doubtful of any 1941's authenticity, as "official" 91/30 PU production began in 42. There is the one original 41 built PU though, so it's not impossible.

NaughtyMonkey
06-14-2010, 12:02 PM
Well its a 1943, Its hard to read, the pictures are uploading to photobucket right now and I'll make a new thread for it when its done.

hypnoman
07-17-2010, 7:32 PM
Very nice . . . I'm still looking for one like it!

NaughtyMonkey
07-18-2010, 12:35 AM
Just keep checking Big 5. If there is one near you.

And thanks.

hypnoman
07-21-2010, 5:36 PM
Yeah, you're right, I should keep checking. . . It's just I would likely buy one if she's pretty enough . . . even if she weren't a hex Tula receiver . . . what a habit?!?

Low-Pressure
07-21-2010, 5:42 PM
I might just have to check my local Big 5 too :), might get lucky and find a gem.

cruddymutt
07-21-2010, 6:43 PM
Big 5 can get some pretty nice ones in. I found an MO double date, a 1942 ex-PEM, and a 1937 I believe it was with its original stock with all cartouches present. They also still have a 1947 Izzy but its one of those repro PU snipers. Didnt buy any of them, had to show some self contol but my buddy did pick up a 1943 Izzy M38 in an M38 stock, not counterbored with matching numbers on sale for $125 OTD.
The secret is to ask them to see the ones in back. Thats where ALL the good ones I have found have been.

NaughtyMonkey
07-21-2010, 11:32 PM
Yeah the managers usually put the crappiest ones out first, and once they sell bring out the better ones but if you ask they will bring out all the ones in the back, they can also tell you upon request if any of the other Big 5's have hex ones in stock or not. Helpful haha. :)

mosinnagantm9130
07-21-2010, 11:35 PM
Yeah the managers usually put the crappiest ones out first, and once they sell bring out the better ones but if you ask they will bring out all the ones in the back, they can also tell you upon request if any of the other Big 5's have hex ones in stock or not. Helpful haha. :)

The last time I bought a 91/30 at big 5 I looked through a dozen or so rifles before I found one I liked. I'm just glad they recognize me as the "mosin guy" and don't get annoyed when I go through the entire inventory.:D

NaughtyMonkey
07-21-2010, 11:36 PM
The last time I bought a 91/30 at big 5 I looked through a dozen or so rifles before I found one I liked. I'm just glad they recognize me as the "mosin guy" and don't get annoyed when I go through the entire inventory.:D

I do the same thing but I no the manager there and he gives me tips and actually gets excited when I come in if he has something new to show me lmaorofl.