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hammerli240
06-13-2010, 11:24 AM
Who has the most accurate centerfire pistol at 50 yards?
Photos of the pistol and target would be helpful to determine
the results, especially when a lot of us out there think we have the
best weapon. The target can be achieved firing from either single handed
bullseye style or two handed combat style, obviously, it takes much more
skills for a marksman to produce the group with one hand.

faterikcartman
06-13-2010, 11:30 AM
Whenever I go to a range most shooters can't keep a tight group at even 15 yards.

Your proposed test, IMO, will not have anything to do with the inherent accuracy of the pistols used, rather, will be a demonstration of how well guys can shoot from a sandbag and then lie about shooting the target off hand. Or simply a humbling exercise in comparing off-hand marksmanship. I cannot imagine it being a test of whose pistol is the most accurate.

Ultimate
06-13-2010, 3:41 PM
I would think those with an AR pistol would have an advantage. :D

BamBam-31
06-13-2010, 3:46 PM
Are you simply inquiring about the mechanical accuracy of the pistol or the shooting skill of the owner? If the former, I believe the 1.5" @ 50 yds. accuracy guarantee (as offered by Les Baer) is the max. The Sig X5 series is guaranteed for 2" at 50 yds.

NewbieDave
06-13-2010, 3:48 PM
S&W 629 PPC 357mag... 10 shot group of 10" at 50 yards, two hands, single action only shooting my own match loads.

Pictures and target has nothing to do with your questions. Your questions has too many things that will get involve in effecting your accuracy. I can shoot the above one day, and shoot like crap the next. At 50 yards, with a pistol round... you blink can effect your shot placement. If you strap my pistol into a rest and shoot it remotely... it'll group a 2" group at 50 yards all day long. But I'll never be able to get that group because in shooting... you are your own worst enemy in accuracy.


~dpc

Hk996
06-13-2010, 3:52 PM
Here is my gun with the 1.5" guarantee by Les Baer. Of course I can't do that at 7 yrds, but I know my gun can :)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/Kiwa25/Gun/P1010449.jpg

daveinwoodland
06-13-2010, 3:56 PM
How about I up the distance and say with my Thompson Contender in 7MM TCU and open sights I can hit a dinner plate sized gong about 4 out of 5 shots at 120 Yards

CSACANNONEER
06-13-2010, 3:59 PM
Here is my gun with the 1.5" guarantee by Les Baer. Of course I can't do that at 7 yrds, but I know my gun can :)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/Kiwa25/Gun/P1010449.jpg

A perfect example of a gun not being "accurate" but being "precise".

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/accuracy_vs_precision_556.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/accuracy_precision.gif

Hell, my AK pistol is "accurate" enough to hit the 200&300 yard, dinner plate sized, gongs at Angeles +80% and +75% of the time with surplus ammo. But, it is not a precision handgun like my old Contender is.

J-cat
06-13-2010, 4:37 PM
Are you simply inquiring about the mechanical accuracy of the pistol or the shooting skill of the owner? If the former, I believe the 1.5" @ 50 yds. accuracy guarantee (as offered by Les Baer) is the max. The Sig X5 series is guaranteed for 2" at 50 yds.

It is not. They claim "capable of" 2" accuracy at 50 but do not guarantee it. They are tested at 25 yards and the test tatgets are often larger than 1" at that distance.

Les Baer's guarantee only applies to their test ammo. The gun is not expected to shoot 1.5" at 50 with every make of ammunition.

My personal best is .25" at 15 yards (did it a couple of times), but more often .5" with a Six P226 Sport Stock, a P210, and a Python. I figure that translates to something close 2" at 50 yards but I can't prove it cuz my eyes ain't that good anymore.

I have a magazine article somewhere showing an 8" scoped Python printing 2.5" groups at 100 yards with 180gr ammo.

checkenbach
06-13-2010, 4:52 PM
I shot a long range silhouette match(up to 200 yards) at USI today and hit eight rams at 200 yards off the bench with my .357 Magnum, Match Grade Machine barreled T/C Contender G2. And it shoots 1/2" inch or so groups at 50 yards.

CSACANNONEER
06-13-2010, 4:57 PM
I shot a long range silhouette match(up to 200 yards) at USI today and hit eight rams at 200 yards off the bench with my .357 Magnum, Match Grade Machine barreled T/C Contender G2. And it shoots 1/2" inch or so groups at 50 yards.

Why did you miss the other two? And, how many turks did you hit?

RTE
06-13-2010, 4:57 PM
I'd play :D but I'm assuming open sites.

I had more of a scoped Remington Fireball in mind.

faterikcartman
06-13-2010, 4:58 PM
I don't think Les Baer actually shoots that group at 50 yards. I believe they shoot it at a shorter range and extrapolate that if it shoots well short, it will shoot well long; though I could be wrong.

Anyway, since you said "pistol" I'm not going to go with a revolver. Also, since I don't think this is what you're looking for, I'll leave out single shot and bolt action handguns.

For an auto I vote for the Springfield Armory Professional Model which proved itself vis-a-vie seven or so other makers' best. I'm pretty sure Les Baer was in that group.

Again, us submitting targets shot offhand would tell you nothing about the inherent accuracy of the pistols used, only the operators.

BamBam-31
06-13-2010, 4:59 PM
It is not. They claim "capable of" 2" accuracy at 50 but do not guarantee it. They are tested at 25 yards and the test tatgets are often larger than 1" at that distance.

Les Baer's guarantee only applies to their test ammo. The gun is not expected to shoot 1.5" at 50 with every make of ammunition.

My personal best is .25" at 15 yards (did it a couple of times), but more often .5" with a Six P226 Sport Stock, a P210, and a Python. I figure that translates to something close 2" at 50 yards but I can't prove it cuz my eyes ain't that good anymore.

I have a magazine article somewhere showing an 8" scoped Python printing 2.5" groups at 100 yards with 180gr ammo.

They are not. They're tested at 25 meters. ;)

JTsanchez
06-13-2010, 5:10 PM
I never have, and never plan to target shoot my pistol at 50 yards. 25 yards is plenty far for me with a pistol.

JTsanchez
06-13-2010, 5:12 PM
I would love to watch/be taught by someone who can produce a 3 inch group with a 1911 or Sig at 50 yards, I cant consistantly pull a 4 inch group at 25 let alot 50.

duc748bip
06-13-2010, 5:25 PM
+1 on AR pistol. :D but as "conventional" pistol goes out of my line-up the S&W m686 4" shoots >5" with factory loads. But I have to make sight adjustment everytime cus I always buy whatever load that is on sale. To OP I always wanted a Hammerli in .32 S&W

Buddhabelly
06-13-2010, 5:28 PM
Vera Koo repeatedly shoots a ragged 2 inch hole at 50 yards.

Everytime. The most amazing shooter I've ever met in real life.

She shoots a 1911 in 38 Super.

She's 62 years old.

checkenbach
06-13-2010, 5:29 PM
Cannoneer, I hit the other ones, but they did not fall(I was using 158 XTP's), and I hit four turkeys. I was swapping off between some really fast 125 Speer flat points trying to figure out what works best, this is the first long range match I've shot in. I have some 180 grain Speers I'll load next.

Marlin Hunter
06-13-2010, 5:29 PM
I never have, and never plan to target shoot my pistol at 50 yards. 25 yards is plenty far for me with a pistol.


I shot a 9mm pistol at 200-yds and actually hit the target. I think I had a 4 foot group :cool:

CSACANNONEER
06-13-2010, 5:34 PM
Cannoneer, I hit the other ones, but they did not fall(I was using 158 XTP's), and I hit four turkeys. I was swapping off between some really fast 125 Speer flat points trying to figure out what works best, this is the first long range match I've shot in. I have some 180 grain Speers I'll load next.

10 hits is damn good even if two just stood there. I've actually spun pigs around so that they faced the opposite way before. I've also shot smallbore chickens up into the air and they've landed right back on the stand. It sure can be an interesting game to play.

J-cat
06-13-2010, 5:36 PM
Some HiPowers had adjustable sights graduated up to 500m.

Fjold
06-13-2010, 6:42 PM
Any of the Olympic class 32 caliber centerfires

BigDogatPlay
06-13-2010, 6:55 PM
Anyone with a well made PPC revolver and ammo tuned to the gun, and capable of doing their part should be able to lay ten into the 10 ring on a B27 at 50 yards.

Me I am perfectly happy if all ten are within the 9 ring with any of my S&W revolvers.... and I've done so more than once.

pyromensch
06-13-2010, 9:05 PM
Some HiPowers had adjustable sights graduated up to 500m.
and they had the option of attaching a shoulder stock to it

like some lugers

fr0ng
06-13-2010, 10:36 PM
SA TRP

JTROKS
06-13-2010, 11:08 PM
How about I up the distance and say with my Thompson Contender in 7MM TCU and open sights I can hit a dinner plate sized gong about 4 out of 5 shots at 120 Yards

I was thinking my GP100 can shoot 2" groups at 50 yards with 142 grain HBWC, but that's benched. Off hand the best I've done with it is 6" at 50 yards, but that's when I had a 2x6 scope on it. Yup! With my TC and a 14" super bull barrel it will do 1 moa at 100 yards, I used to be able to shoot 4" group at 50 yards off hand with it, but that was many years ago. I also have a 38 super race gun with a Limcat top end that will do 2" at 50 yards benched, off hand 4" to 5" groups were doable shooting 115 grn Zero JHP bullets. I wish I can find the targets I shot with it, I'll try.

eccvets
06-13-2010, 11:11 PM
fn 5-7 is my most accurate past 25yards

orangeusa
06-14-2010, 12:12 AM
I thought a pistol's function was to allow you fight until you can reach your rifle!! :)

GunLover
06-14-2010, 5:36 AM
Thompson Contender 223

J-cat
06-14-2010, 7:33 AM
I thought a pistol's function was to allow you fight until you can reach your rifle!! :)

The more accurate your pistol, the sooner you'll be able to reach your rifle. Time is money.

mif_slim
06-14-2010, 7:42 AM
lol, I've shot at 50 yards before, I gotta admit, I suck! I was getting about 14"-16" groups. At 100 yards (we tried yesterday) we were able to hit man size targets though (target frame standing at 5.5'H x 18"W). :D

tacticalcity
06-14-2010, 7:51 AM
Not only do I not know, I don't care. I don't waste a lot of time training with a handgun at this distance at least not to the point that I know which handgun performs the best at it. It simply is not practical. I can hit the target, but if at 50 yards if I see a bright flash coming from his muzzel and I am still alive my first instinct if all I have is a handgun is to sprint to cover (in the direction of the gun if I can since most people jerk the trigger and shoot down and to the left when under stress) and figure things out from there. It is the wrong tool for that job. A rifle, well that changes things all together. I'll take the cover if dropping to the ground or a few steps provides otherwise I'll point in and fire, as my skill set allows for it.

Shenaniguns
06-14-2010, 8:52 AM
I don't think Les Baer actually shoots that group at 50 yards. I believe they shoot it at a shorter range and extrapolate that if it shoots well short, it will shoot well long; though I could be wrong.




Why would you say this if you're not sure? Yes they do test at 50 yards and there is a video floating around of where they test indoors.

BTW, the test ammo is Federal Gold Match.

BamBam-31
06-14-2010, 9:06 AM
IIRC, LB tests their 3" guns at 25 yds., making sure they shoot 1.5" groups at that distance. (I believe Springfield does that same test w/ their Pro.) They then extrapolate that they are 3" guns at 50 yds. The 1.5" @ 50 yd. guns LB does indeed shoot at 50 yds.

ap3572001
06-14-2010, 9:08 AM
In this order:

Colt post war commercial by Bob Chow.
Springfield Armory Custom shop long slide PC9404
Springfield Armory Custom Shop 5" PC9404
Springfiled Armory (Made in Brazil) FULL CUSTOM GUN made for me by a local gunsmith.

Shenaniguns
06-14-2010, 9:09 AM
IIRC, LB tests their 3" guns at 25 yds., making sure they shoot 1.5" groups at that distance. (I believe Springfield does that same test w/ their Pro.) They then extrapolate that they are 3" guns at 50 yds. The 1.5" @ 50 yd. guns LB does indeed shoot at 50 yds.


That was a rumor, they build the 1.5" guns a little tighter which requires more break in.

J-cat
06-14-2010, 9:11 AM
I have also seen LB test targets using Hyrda Shock.

Shenaniguns
06-14-2010, 9:16 AM
I have also seen LB test targets using Hyrda Shock.


:eek:

J-cat
06-14-2010, 9:16 AM
That was a rumor, they build the 1.5" guns a little tighter which requires more break in.

I don't believe they build them any tighter, but the one I have handled had a better fitted barrel than the three TRS's I used to own. I dunno if that is the norm. It is entirely possible that the ones which shoot exceptionally well at 25 yards get retested at 50 and get that special designation.

Shenaniguns
06-14-2010, 9:17 AM
I don't believe they build them any tighter, but the one I have handled had a better fitted barrel than the three TRS's I used to own. I dunno if that is the norm. It is entirely possible that the ones which shoot exceptionally well at 25 yards get retested at 50 and get that special designation.


Clint Smith specifically wanted the TRS built less tight than the standard Baers.

gose
06-14-2010, 9:35 AM
I have test targets somewhere from when I tested different factory loads in my SIG 210-5 LS in a ransom rest at 50m.
Best 7 shot group was 30mm, which would be roughly 1" at 50y
A couple of other ones shot around 35mm (1.1-1.2")

With my reloads, all my 210s shoot 1-1.5" at 50y, but I dont think I have any proof of that... :/

I'll see if I can find those test targets when I get home.

J-cat
06-14-2010, 9:35 AM
In SoCal there are three gun stores that carry LB. I have fondled several 1.5" variants as well as another Calguns member's and they are not any tighter than the rest.

mif_slim
06-14-2010, 9:40 AM
These people shooting pistols 1" at 50yards off hand (Weaver/Isosceles) are God's!

(Im thinking of regular pistols ex: glocks, xd, M&P, 1911 type...not space guns. ;) )

Shenaniguns
06-14-2010, 9:45 AM
These people shooting pistols 1" at 50yards off hand (Weaver/Isosceles) are God's!

(Im thinking of regular pistols ex: glocks, xd, M&P, 1911 type...not space guns. ;) )


Their name is Ransom Rest :cool:

dexter9659
06-14-2010, 12:30 PM
1.5" groups at 50 yards with my model 10 PPC DAO, 148gr LHB.

robert101
06-14-2010, 2:10 PM
Ok, I'll play but only at 25 yards.
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac328/robbi101/DSCN3785.jpg
These are pistols (semi-auto) 45 ACP and DW PM-7 10MM shooting off-hand.

I thought "pistol" accuracy was the gun requsted and not revolver. The most accurate gun I have would be a .22 Ruger revolver, then 44 S&W Mag revolver (6" tube), and then my 5" Dan Wesson auto 1911.

Now I know there are many, many of you that can out shoot me at 25 or 50 yards or whatever distance. This is just what I can regularly do at my range. I would like to shoot longer distances because I think its fun. All of my shooting these days is done at an indoor range.
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac328/robbi101/10mmFireRing.jpg

BamBam-31
06-14-2010, 5:04 PM
Not only do I not know, I don't care. I don't waste a lot of time training with a handgun at this distance at least not to the point that I know which handgun performs the best at it. It simply is not practical. I can hit the target, but if at 50 yards if I see a bright flash coming from his muzzel and I am still alive my first instinct if all I have is a handgun is to sprint to cover (in the direction of the gun if I can since most people jerk the trigger and shoot down and to the left when under stress) and figure things out from there. It is the wrong tool for that job. A rifle, well that changes things all together. I'll take the cover if dropping to the ground or a few steps provides otherwise I'll point in and fire, as my skill set allows for it.

Well, it's nice to know I can get a head shot at 100 yds. if need be, but in reality shooting at 50 yds. is simply honing a basic skill to a really high level. It's not in expectation of engaging someone at 50 yds., it that if you can hit that 8" plate at 50 yds. w/ ease, that same plate at 25 yds. starts looking HUGE. At seven yards, well....

JTsanchez
06-14-2010, 5:57 PM
I must retract my original statement as i wouldnt mind shooting at some steel plates at 100 yards to see if i could hit it with my 19, i wouldnt do it at a range but in the hills would be fun.