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thomasanelson
03-28-2006, 6:26 PM
OK, can someone explain to me why I should DROS a stripped Lower? I know the basic arguement....once the DOJ catches wind of the stripped lower deal they will grandfather in the lowers as CAW's and allowing those who DROS'd them to build a complete weapon and thus have a previously unobtainable assalt weapon. I get that, but why does conventional wisdom think the DOJ and Socialist legislature will allow these stripped lowers to be built into complete weapons?

yiha
03-28-2006, 6:35 PM
let the flaming begin..

snobordr
03-28-2006, 6:42 PM
OK, can someone explain to me why I should DROS a stripped Lower? I know the basic arguement....once the DOJ catches wind of the stripped lower deal they will grandfather in the lowers as CAW's and allowing those who DROS'd them to build a complete weapon and thus have a previously unobtainable assalt weapon. I get that, but why does conventional wisdom think the DOJ and Socialist legislature will allow these stripped lowers to be built into complete weapons?

Read the FAQ in red at the top of the page. It comes down to reading, and understanding the law. Short of new legislation, the DOJ really has no alternative to listing the receivers. Once listed, they are assault weapons, the DOJ does not seem to get this and has created a new category by which to define newly identified members.

It pretty much comes down to the law. Once defined as an AW, it is an AW. You can't make it less or more "assaulty" (not a real word, I know). The categories in 12276 are there for clarity and definition, they have no legal weight.

This is pretty much moot as the intent was to build a fixed 10-round rifle. Most just wanted to do it for less than CluelessJoe with higher quality parts.

xenophobe
03-28-2006, 7:21 PM
I get that, but why does conventional wisdom think the DOJ and Socialist legislature will allow these stripped lowers to be built into complete weapons?

They already are... these were stripped lowers built into fully compliant post SB-23 rifles:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3996/gunshop9wy.jpg

All with fixed 10 round mags...

ohsmily
03-28-2006, 7:26 PM
OK, can someone explain to me why I should DROS a stripped Lower? I know the basic arguement....once the DOJ catches wind of the stripped lower deal they will grandfather in the lowers as CAW's and allowing those who DROS'd them to build a complete weapon and thus have a previously unobtainable assalt weapon. I get that, but why does conventional wisdom think the DOJ and Socialist legislature will allow these stripped lowers to be built into complete weapons?

Thomas, don't build one....it is just WAAAAYYYY too risky, anyone who builds one will be thrown in jail IMMEDIATELY...you definitely don't want to build one, there is no point. Why would you want an AR-15? What would you possibly do with such a fine rifle???

:rolleyes:

filefish
03-28-2006, 7:33 PM
yep the risk is greater than you think! just look at me I started of just building a few now I am on to an ar-10.

natrab
03-28-2006, 7:42 PM
Yep, the biggest risk is to your bank account. I've now spent a couple thousand on ar stuff with an additional $650 in product that I probably will never see (DOJ confiscated lowers and mega uppers that never showed up).

Jicko
03-28-2006, 7:43 PM
To strip Lower or not to strip lower???

For you, the answer is NOT TO, happy?

Too many of us are building these black rifles now, that the whole nation's AR stuff are in huge demand... so 1 less person trying to look for barrels, upper receivers, parts, stocks etc... is better....

techmci
03-28-2006, 10:21 PM
They already are... these were stripped lowers built into fully compliant post SB-23 rifles:




I like the way you say that, " Fully compliant post SB-23 rilfes " Has a nice ring to it.... Think I'll take my " fully compliant post SB-23 rifles " out of the safe and give them all big hug... :)

sac7000
03-28-2006, 10:25 PM
OK, can someone explain to me why I should DROS a stripped Lower? I know the basic arguement....once the DOJ catches wind of the stripped lower deal they will grandfather in the lowers as CAW's and allowing those who DROS'd them to build a complete weapon and thus have a previously unobtainable assalt weapon. I get that, but why does conventional wisdom think the DOJ and Socialist legislature will allow these stripped lowers to be built into complete weapons?

Ahhh... because they are actually a pretty nice group of people and like us, enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

dawson8r
03-29-2006, 7:23 AM
Hmmm...maybe it has something to do with the fact that I haven't been able to buy an AR-anything the past 6 years. Yeah, I know its all my fault that I wasn't in to rifles back when it was legal to purchase them. Oops! Did I just claim responsibility for my present situation. Oh my God! I must be a conservative. Or worse; a right-wing-gun-nut!!! Do us a favor. If you don't know why you should buy a stripped lower then don't buy one. Please!

thomasanelson
03-30-2006, 6:21 AM
Wow guys...what's with the hostilities? If you know my politics you would not be bashing. I just wanted to know why some believe that once owning a stripped lower will eventually allow a CAW with detatchable mags. The DOJ has recalled handguns that they previously approved, so why would they allow this? SNOBORDR thanks for the legal info.:)

jmlivingston
03-30-2006, 7:19 AM
Wow guys...what's with the hostilities? If you know my politics you would not be bashing. I just wanted to know why some believe that once owning a stripped lower will eventually allow a CAW with detatchable mags. The DOJ has recalled handguns that they previously approved, so why would they allow this? SNOBORDR thanks for the legal info.:)

The recalled handguns was a completely different scenario. Assuming that you're talking about the Walther/threaded-barrel fiasco, the examples of what was originally submitted for testing was different than the final product that was eventually shipped to here. What was shipped was distinctly defined as an assault weapon as it had a threaded barrel.

This stripped-lower business is something else entirely. The DoJ lost a court case in the State Supreme Court, and were mandated by the court to explicitly list by MAKE and MODEL what firearms are explicitly defined as assault weapons rather than classifying them by SERIES. We are simply excercising our rights to purchase those items not explicitly listed. In the future we may or may not be able to add to these firearms those features in combination which are a different method of defining what is an assault weapon.

As SNOBORDR earlier pointed out, please read the FAQ. It lists out all the issue's and arguements in detail in much better form than I can share. If you've read it once and still have questions read it again. And again, and again. Read it slowly and repeatedly until you've digested and understood it all. If you have specific questions about something in particular, post your detailed questions and you'll get an answer. Otherwise, you've asked a pretty generic questions that's been asked many times. And the answer IS the FAQ.

John

thomasanelson
03-30-2006, 10:28 AM
OK read it, get it, got it, good....now I think I will get an offlist stripped lower.:D

tenpercentfirearms
03-30-2006, 11:09 AM
OK, can someone explain to me why I should DROS a stripped Lower?Liberty! Because for a few short months you can feel like a free citizen again before they reject our rights and we go back to being good little sheeple.