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Kestryll
03-26-2006, 3:03 PM
Is there a law that prohibits receiving ammo by mail in L.A. city?
I was looking at AIM Surplus' site and they won't ship to L.A..

50 Shooter
03-26-2006, 3:07 PM
Have you tried Ammoman? www.ammoman.com

stevie
03-26-2006, 5:18 PM
I believe it is because of the ordinance that says buys must give proof of age and a thumb print in the city of los angeles, not to mention those certain days were ammo sales is not allowed.. just my opinion on the matter.

RRangel
03-26-2006, 6:15 PM
I believe it is because of the ordinance that says buys must give proof of age and a thumb print in the city of los Angeles, not to mention those certain days were ammo sales is not allowed.. just my opinion on the matter.

It appears that this is just for vendors within the city. When it was passed it didn't look like mail order was part of the discussion, but it may apply. Another dumb law written by marxists.

The city can't control what a business does out side of their city. I haven't spent much time studying this law but here it is below.

This is another measure to prevent the law abiding from exercising their rights as the city council is full of anti-gun, criminal emboldening socialists.

The following is cut and pasted from lacity.org:

SEC. 55.09. AMMUNITION SALES.

(Added by Ord. No. 165,930, Eff. 6/5/90.)
(a) The term “firearm ammunition”, as used in this section, shall include any ammunition for use in pistols, revolvers, rifles, shot guns, or any other device designed to be used as a weapon from which is expelled a projectile by the force of explosion or other form of combustion.
(b) Except as specified in Subsection (c) and (d), no person, including retail gun dealers, shall sell, give, lend or transfer ownership of any firearm ammunition during the period of seven days prior to the first day of January of each year or on the first day of January of each year, or during the seven days prior to the Fourth of July of each year or on the Fourth of July of each year.
(c) Nothing in this section shall prohibit the sale or transfer of ownership of firearm ammunition by a wholesale gun dealer to another wholesale gun dealer or by a wholesale gun dealer to a retail gun dealer, or of ammunition requested by Section 12324 of the Penal Code of the State of California.
(d) Nothing in this section shall prohibit sale to or acquisition by any person described in Section 12302 or 12322 of the Penal Code of the State of California.
(e) The provisions of this section shall not apply to the sale of any firearm ammunition when such sale is prohibited by Sections 12303, 12303.6, 12304 or 12321 of the Penal Code of the State of California, or is otherwise prohibited by Chapter 2.5, Title 2, Part 4, of the Penal Code of the State of California.

SEC. 55.11. RECORDS OF AMMUNITION SALES.

(Amended by Ord. No. 172,002, Eff. 6/5/98.)
(a) The term “firearm ammunition” shall mean any ammunition for use in a pistol, revolver or other firearm, as that term is defined in Section 103.314 (http://lacodes.lacity.org/NXT/gateway.dll?f=id$id=Los%20Angeles%20Municipal%20Co de%3Ar%3A13b69$cid=Los%20Angeles%20Municipal%20Cod e$t=document-frame.htm$an=JD_103.314.$3.0#JD_103.314.) of this Code.
(b) The term “vendor”, as used in this section, shall mean any person who is engaged in the retail sale of firearm ammunition and retail firearms dealers.
(c) No vendor shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any firearm ammunition without at the time of purchase recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Board of Police Commissioners:
1. the date of the transaction,
2. the name, address and date of birth of the transferee,
3. the transferee’s drivers license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued,
4. the brand, type and amount of ammunition transferred,
5. the transferee’s signature, and
6. the name of the sales person who processed the transaction.
The vendor shall also at the time of purchase or transfer obtain the right thumb print of the purchaser or transferee on the above form.
(d) The records required by this section shall be maintained on the premises of the vendor for a period of not less than two (2) years from the date of the recorded transfer. Said records shall be subject to inspection at any time during normal business hours in accordance with the provisions of Section 103.14 (http://lacodes.lacity.org/NXT/gateway.dll?f=id$id=Los%20Angeles%20Municipal%20Co de%3Ar%3A13b69$cid=Los%20Angeles%20Municipal%20Cod e$t=document-frame.htm$an=JD_103.14.$3.0#JD_103.14.) of this Code.
(e) No person shall knowingly make a false entry in, or fail to make a required entry in, or fail to obtain the required thumb print, or fail to maintain in the required manner records prepared in accordance herewith. No person shall refuse to permit a police department employee to examine any record prepared in accordance with this section during any inspection conducted pursuant to this section, or refuse to permit the use of any record or information therefrom by the police department.
(f) The requirements of this section shall not apply to:
1. any person described in Section 12302 or 12322 of the Penal Code of the State of California.
2. any off-duty peace officer who displays proper agency identification which identifies him or her as an active peace officer.
3. any person who has been issued a permit to carry a concealed weapon under the authority of Section 12050 of the Penal Code of the State of California
4. any security guard licensed under the authority of Section 12033 of the Penal Code of the State of California.
5. any firearms dealer who has been issued a Federal Firearms License, a Certificate of Eligibility by the State of California and a Seller of Firearms Police Permit by the City of Los Angeles.
(g) Violation of this section shall constitute a misdemeanor.

Creeping Incrementalism
04-12-2006, 9:20 PM
Does the state pre-emption of firearms legislation apply to this, and other county ordinances partially but not totally restricting when ammo can be bought, what forms need to be filled out, and where firearms can be used? I read that Chuck Michel sued the L.A. ban on the pre-emption grounds (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1996--does anybody know the outcome of that?

You think with 10 million people+ in L.A., it might be worth it to AIM to just get the form.

It also irks me that some companies make absolutely no effort to sell to people in some areas, or go above the law in restricting what they will sell (such as Cheaper Than Dirt or Sportmans guide).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/ammunition_requirements.html-CALIFORNIA CUSTOMERS: No sales of Ammunition Delivered to Los Angeles, all of Orange County or San Francisco. Check for other Local & State laws before ordering.

I searched this site for "mail, order, ammunition", and am still wondering: does anyone have the text for the mail-order ban in S.F.? Is the problem with Orange County that there's a ban on mail-order in central Florida (that I find unlikely)--surely no one can be that stupid?

markymark
04-12-2006, 9:23 PM
Is there a law that prohibits receiving ammo by mail in L.A. city?
I was looking at AIM Surplus' site and they won't ship to L.A..
Company policy. Sportsmans guide also doesn't sell or ship to LA. Ammoman and Outdoor Marksman ship to Los Angeles though.

Air
04-13-2006, 6:48 AM
i talked to LAPD about this about a year ago, they said it was legal.

donger
04-13-2006, 7:08 AM
Both AIM and ammoman will not send ammo to LA.

A couple of years back I tried to buy some 5.56 from Eric the Ammoman and he informed me that he would not send ammo to the city of Los Angeles.

If your really want ammo sent to Los Angeles, I believe both Cheaper Than Dirt and Outdoor Marksman will ship to LA.

shin_en
04-13-2006, 7:37 AM
Do you know if they'll send to Orange?

donger
04-13-2006, 7:44 AM
Do you know if they'll send to Orange?


I know that AIM will not send ammo to OC. It's somewhere on their policy page. Don't know about Eric though.

Fate
04-13-2006, 10:16 AM
Neither AIM nor Sportsman's Guide actually match zip codes to Los Angeles, so unincorporated areas or smaller cities slip under the radar. I think you'll only have problems if you actually live in "Los Angeles." At least that's been my mail order experience with both of them.

Black_Talon
04-13-2006, 5:41 PM
ammoman will not send ammo to LA.

A couple of years back I tried to buy some 5.56 from Eric the Ammoman and he informed me that he would not send ammo to the city of Los Angeles.

He'll certainly send it to cities within LA County. I've been getting ammo from Eric for years, just got a case last week as a matter of fact. I live smack-dab in the middle of the SGV.

mef223
04-13-2006, 9:49 PM
52 lbs of ammo goodness arriving tomorrow from eric...
To the LBC

floorance
04-13-2006, 11:02 PM
I've never dealt with ammoman myself, but some negative things have been said about him recently on other boards.:(

on sigforum:
http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/410601935/m/999105535/r/272103835#272103835

and on ar15.com:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=335943&page=7

Chaingun
04-14-2006, 6:48 AM
I've never dealt with ammoman myself, but some negative things have been said about him recently on other boards.:(

on sigforum:
http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/410601935/m/999105535/r/272103835#272103835

and on ar15.com:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=335943&page=7

I've heard much of that was over a "Vietnam SKS" that had import marks. Hes should have been more clear, and could have resolved the issue more in his favor. That's what happens when your business is booming.

socalsteve
04-15-2006, 1:08 AM
Hey Sportsman Guide ships ammo to me and I live in LA?
Iv'e received .44 special, .380 and .40 + .30-30.

I heard that sometypes of ammo cannot be shipped - like belted militray surplus .308 because its belted?

grammaton76
04-15-2006, 1:53 AM
Hey Sportsman Guide ships ammo to me and I live in LA?
Iv'e received .44 special, .380 and .40 + .30-30.

I heard that sometypes of ammo cannot be shipped - like belted militray surplus .308 because its belted?

In its infinite wisdom, the DOJ has decided that more than 10 cartridges on a belt constitutes a high capacity magazine. Therefore, shipping belted ammo to CA is the same thing as shipping someone a beta-c mag, on paper... I really doubt they would be as severe on belted ammo as on a beta-c if they found it out, but they COULD drop the book on someone if they wanted to.

accordingtoome
04-15-2006, 3:19 AM
I've heard much of that was over a "Vietnam SKS" that had import marks. Hes should have been more clear, and could have resolved the issue more in his favor. That's what happens when your business is booming.

i have always wanted a real Viet SKS rifle used in the war. A neighbor has one that one of the Viet scouts saved his life with it. THe scout was on point the next day and went (boom). so he took hiw rifle to remember him by.

Ironballs
07-07-2006, 7:53 AM
the CA confusion just sucks...

got my boxes of ammo from midwayusa and ammoman recently, but denied shipping from the-armory just yesterday.... WTFO

El Barto
07-07-2006, 1:16 PM
I live in Bell, just outside of LA. I have had no trouble getting ammo from Century and Aim. Try driving over to Ammo Brothers.

MisterDudeManGuy
07-07-2006, 8:37 PM
I'm in Lake Forest, and Aim wouldn't sell ammo to me based upon location. I did not volunteer any info, they figured out where I was based upon what was on my order.

I talked it over with them, and they said that there was a lawsuit brought by Orange County against another online ammo dealer (which cost him a lot of $$$), and they (Aim) couldn't/wouldn't take the chance. Hey, can't ask a guy to risk something he can't afford/doesn't want to risk. Don't like it, but waddaya gonna do? I shop somewhere else.

I didn't check facts, but that was the reason they presented to me.

uzigalil
07-07-2006, 9:52 PM
+1 for Ammoman- the brown truck brings it all the time