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hdcd
03-25-2006, 7:47 PM
http://www.californiachronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=7214

March 24, 2006

Easy-to-buy sniper rifle has mile-long range, could penetrate steel armor.

Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is urging Customs and Border Protection to assess the threat to border patrol agents should the easily available .50 caliber sniper rifle find its way into the hands of Mexican drug smugglers or other criminals.

“The threat posed by the easy availability of the .50-caliber sniper rifle could endanger our border patrol agents and hinder our ability to control our borders,” Senator Feinstein wrote in a letter to U.S. Customs and Border Protection Acting Commissioner Deborah Spero. “Given the range and lethality of these weapons, how would the Border Patrol carry out its mission should these weapons be used by criminals, smugglers and human traffickers shooting across the border?”

The following is the text of the letter Senators Feinstein sent to Commissioner Spero:

March 24, 2006

Deborah J. Spero
Acting Commissioner
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Department of Homeland Security
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229

Dear Commissioner Spero,

I write to bring to your attention a significant issue which I believe could endanger our border patrol agents, and hinder our ability to control our borders: the threat posed by the easy availability of the .50-Caliber Sniper Rifle.

At a recent hearing before the Committee on the Judiciary on the subject of border violence, Mr. Aguilar of the Border Patrol testified about the dangers posed by snipers, inside Mexico, shooting across the border at our officers. I asked him about whether analysis of this threat included the newest, and most dangerous, weapon in the sniper’s arsenal – the .50-caliber sniper gun. His answer left me with the impression that the threat had not been fully considered.

As you may know, the .50-caliber rifle is accurate at extreme long range: a skilled gunman can kill a man at more than a mile. That accuracy is coupled with extreme lethality, because the projectile is moving so fast, and is so heavy, that it can penetrate steel armor. In fact other elements of the Department of Homeland Security, notable the U.S. Coast Guard, now use the rifle because it can shoot through the engine block of fleeing smuggler “fast-boats.”

I have long been concerned about this issue, and have introduced legislation which would, at least in part, address the problem by treating these weapons under the same regulations that govern machine guns, rather than .22-caliber rifles as is presently the law.

I would greatly appreciate if you could advise me, as soon as possible, of the following. Has Customs and Border Protection assessed the threat faced from this weapon, and is so, what is the result of that assessment? What steps have been taken to protect Border Patrol agents from the treat? What steps are planned? Given the range and lethality of these weapons, how would the Border Patrol carry out its mission should these weapons be used by criminals, smugglers and human traffickers shooting across the border?

I look forward to your reply, and working together on this critical issue. I have enclosed some background material for your review.

Yours truly,

Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

C.G.
03-25-2006, 7:55 PM
Somehow there is a serious flaw in her logic. How would making them illegal here stop the druglords in Mexico from shooting across the border into the US? :rolleyes:

EBWhite
03-25-2006, 7:59 PM
I have no idea CG
LOL

Anyways, how are you going to hit a fastboat (a boat that is going fast) with a .50 caliber sniper rifle? Maybe a .50 MG of course but you need lots a rounds to hit a fast moving target!

Maybe we should ban .223 and .308 ammo since those loaded in AP could go through an engine block errr!

thmpr
03-25-2006, 8:05 PM
Somehow there is a serious flaw in her logic. How would making them illegal here stop the druglords in Mexico from shooting across the border into the US? :rolleyes:


+1 on that one. And how would we control Mexico from buying the .50 rifles and ammo? This is how they twist the gun control scare.


:confused:

Inoxmark
03-25-2006, 8:07 PM
Somehow there is a serious flaw in her logic. How would making them illegal here stop the druglords in Mexico from shooting across the border into the US? :rolleyes:By extension of this logic, since these druglords are already armed with machine guns, shouldn't we un-ban them in the US since their availability or lack thereof didn't make any difference?

1911_Mitch
03-25-2006, 8:12 PM
I would venture to say she is sewing the seeds (ie the preliminary steps) for imposing a federal ban on the .50

Ford8N
03-25-2006, 8:15 PM
Feinstein Hyperbole

It's an election year.

Charliegone
03-25-2006, 8:21 PM
Feinstein is the biggest elitist pigs of them all. If she could she would make this into country into a police state because after all its "for the children.":rolleyes: b****!

m1371
03-25-2006, 9:12 PM
I would venture to say she is sewing the seeds (ie the preliminary steps) for imposing a federal ban on the .50

+1 on that.

I would guess it'd be an upcoming attempt to restrict .50cal sales to .mil & .gov agencies only.

She acknowledges that there are .gov agencies using the rifle(s) so will likely try to make it look like it's a "homeland defense" issue rather than an anti-gun policy.

Typical politician crap.

She needs to go.

LOW2000
03-25-2006, 9:18 PM
I have no idea CG
LOL

Anyways, how are you going to hit a fastboat (a boat that is going fast) with a .50 caliber sniper rifle? Maybe a .50 MG of course but you need lots a rounds to hit a fast moving target!

Maybe we should ban .223 and .308 ammo since those loaded in AP could go through an engine block errr!


It's news to me that they are using 50's, but they take out boats by helicopter, thats how they are able to hit them without too much difficulty.

Justang
03-25-2006, 9:42 PM
So, what is she trying acomplish with this? Does she personally want to attack Barrett? Does she want them out of business? I mean, banning them here won't do a thing for the gun runners. And you can't ban them in Mexico.

She is a piece of work!

jdberger
03-25-2006, 9:48 PM
I have no idea CG
LOL

Anyways, how are you going to hit a fastboat (a boat that is going fast) with a .50 caliber sniper rifle? Maybe a .50 MG of course but you need lots a rounds to hit a fast moving target!

Maybe we should ban .223 and .308 ammo since those loaded in AP could go through an engine block errr!Actually, USCG does use a .50 BMG rifle to disable fastboats. Usually, the helicopter will stitch a burst ahead of the boat a couple times, if the boat doesn't stop, a crewman will pop a round through the block. (Saw it on Mail Call or something like that - The crewman was narrating, not R. Lee).

Despite that, why would smugglers armed with AKs and all kinds of other FA ordinance bother with buying a .50 here, smuggling it to Mexico and firing it from there? (.50 BMG ammo is illegal for civilians in Mexico.) Why not just use an M2? The whole idea of banning something in the US so foreigners can't get their hands on it is plain stupid. - but then again, that has been established....:rolleyes:

m1371
03-25-2006, 10:16 PM
Let her know how you feel about the issue. I did.

Not like it'll do anything to change her agenda, but it's better than just griping about it on the internet.

http://feinstein.senate.gov/email.html


Senator Feinstein,

I read with interest your letter to Commissioner Spero dated 24Mar06. While I do feel strongly about the security issue which exists along our southern border, I feel that your letter to the Department of Homeland Security concerning the "threat" posed by .50cal rifles is nothing more than another attempt to further your personal anti-gun agenda rather than being in the best interest of the people you claim to represent.

Rather than focusing your blatently anti-gun agenda on .50cal rifles, which seems to be the "flavour of month" right now for you, why don't you direct your attention towards supporting efforts to secure our southern border?

There have been documented instances of armed incursions by the Mexican military onto US soil.

For example: http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3430815

And: http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=4449500

There have also been numerous documented cases of shots being fired from across the border into American territory. The response(s) to these acts by our government has been negligible. I would venture to say that the inaction on the part of our elected officials is bordering on being treasonous.

What I fail to understand is how your request to the Department of Homeland Security for an assessment of the dangers of .50cal rifles is going to address these and other armed incursions onto US soil. This seems to be more a part of your personal anti-gun agenda rather than efforts to serve the citizens who elected you in the first place.

Any actions on your part to ban firearms in the United States (with your current focus being on .50cal rifles) will have no effect on firearms in Mexico, much less their usage against American citizens in armed incursions onto sovereign American territory.

Your letter implying a possible threat from .50cal rifles and associating it with the border security issue is nothing more than a pathetic transparent attempt at furthering your personal anti-gun agenda. There are many of us who are capable of seeing that, despite your attempts at cloaking it as a "homeland security" issue.

I feel that there are numerous other actions you and the rest of our elected officials could be taking in dealing with the border security issue. In all honesty, it seems that your own personal agenda is blinding you to the reality of what is happening.

Rather than repeatedly infringing on the Constitutional rights of American citizens, why don't you focusing more on protecting those same citizens who elected you to office in the first place?

Your personal anti-gun agenda is doing nothing to protect America and her citizens from the multitude of threats that exist, the majority of which are coming from outside our borders.

jdberger
03-25-2006, 10:38 PM
That FVCKING B1TCH needs to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just like the fvcking Santa Fe Gun Galleria midget needs to die also!
Vic
Hmmm....nice to have you on CalGuns.
Now please edit your mesage or go away.
We don't need this kind of crap, or the heat it attracts.

Oh, and if you feel, somehow that you have a "right" to be a jackass, (freedom of speech, you know) ... Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of speech.

One of the consequences of speaking like an arse, Ostracism.

Apologize and edit or go away.:mad:

blacklisted
03-25-2006, 10:40 PM
Feinstein will die eventually (she's getting old) but she will be replaced by even worse anti-gun politicians. It is our responsibility to fight the misinformation and lies they put out, not just sit around wishing for them to go away.

Supernam
03-25-2006, 10:49 PM
So she's scared of Mexican drug smugglers getting big guns? Hmm.. Maybe she should just ban Mexican drug smugglers instead! That'll do something, huh? Great logic.

Surveyor
03-25-2006, 11:22 PM
So she's scared of Mexican drug smugglers getting big guns? Hmm.. Maybe she should just ban Mexican drug smugglers instead! That'll do something, huh? Great logic.
She should just make drug smuggling illegal. Then they wont have a reason to shoot! Gosh, it's so obvious!!!

50 Freak
03-25-2006, 11:37 PM
It seems like to me that she has a strange affixation to large long black barreled guns.....Wonder what Freud would say about this?:D :D

Supernam
03-26-2006, 12:29 AM
It seems like to me that she has a strange affixation to large long black barreled guns.....Wonder what Freud would say about this?:D :D

The genital or phallic phase corresponds to the period of three and a half to six years old. In this period, the children become aware of the difference between the sexes. The girl will notice what they do not have and the boys learn that the girls do not possess what they have. However, initially in the mind of children, the polarity is not yet distinguished as “male” and “female” but rather as “possession of a penis” and “castrated condition”. Combining with the threat of punishment from the parents when they are seen playing with their genitals, the boys will seriously fear of castration, thinking that some unworthy girls have been punished by being castrated. On the other hand, girls become envy of the boys for what they have. This is termed by Freud, the “penis envy” which leads the girls to blame their mothers for not giving them penises and hence transfer the affection to their fathers instead. The term Oedipus Complex is used by Freud to explain why children about this age feel more passionate towards the parent of the opposite sex and tend to “hate” the parent of the same sex. The feeling of the girl as mentioned shows that the Oedipus Complex coincides with this period of development of sexuality. The wish to possess a penis also leads a female to unconsciously develop a wish for a baby, which is a symbolic substitution of a penis.

From:
Sigmund Freud’s Infantile Sexuality and the role in the genesis of the neuroses of adults and in the psychology of normal adults
http://www.stanford.edu/~pj97/SigmundF.htm

vrylak
03-26-2006, 1:25 AM
Frankenstien, I mean Feinstien should move to Mexico instead and run for public office there and if she wins she could ban them guns over there where her shortsighted ideas might work for the US. Better yet kicking out these libtards and democraps gun grabbers to the socialist countries where they came from is the best thing to do for OUR homeland security. These are the very people who are weakening the Republic.

50 Freak
03-26-2006, 1:37 AM
And Freud also said "sometime a cigar is just a cigar" what's your point?

C.G.
03-26-2006, 2:11 AM
I have been to Mexico many, many times and although I can't quote most laws, I do know this one. Any military round weapon is already illegal in Mexico. In other words a 9mm, .556, 7.62 and .50BMG cannot be owned by civilians in Mexico (but then again, there is the mordida).

taloft
03-26-2006, 2:25 AM
Actually, the term Oedipus Complex is applied to male children. The correct term for female children is Elektra Complex. Both terms derive from Greek Mythology. Just the flip side of the same coin. They want to kill mommy and sleep with Daddy. This is why they marry men that remind them of their fathers.:eek: That's right, take a good look at your father in law. Now think about it for a minute.....

..... Kinda scary ain't it?:p Go have a beer, the shakes will stop soon.:D

An SKS will shoot through a steel tire rim. I can kill you with a wrist rocket as well. Next she'll want to ban ball bearings for this very reason. :rolleyes:

What a PITA she is.

grammaton76
03-26-2006, 2:26 AM
I have been to Mexico many, many times and although I can't quote most laws, I do know this one. Any military round weapon is already illegal in Mexico. In other words a 9mm, .556, 7.62 and .50BMG cannot be owned by civilians in Mexico (but then again, there is the mordida).

Interesting - so, all they have to do to ban a gun, is demonstrate that its ammo is used by a military somewhere? Geez, they've gone the opposite direction from the US - it's easier to acquire old military guns (C&R) here, and impossible there if a gun's military at all!

Or does it have to be current military issue somewhere? For example, what about VZ-52's, which use 7.62x45mm - which no one uses as a modern military caliber?

C.G.
03-26-2006, 2:39 AM
Interesting - so, all they have to do to ban a gun, is demonstrate that its ammo is used by a military somewhere? Geez, they've gone the opposite direction from the US - it's easier to acquire old military guns (C&R) here, and impossible there if a gun's military at all!

Or does it have to be current military issue somewhere? For example, what about VZ-52's, which use 7.62x45mm - which no one uses as a modern military caliber?

Any weapon that is uses a round that is used by the Mexican military cannot be legally owned by civilians. (I am sure there are ways to get around it).

grammaton76
03-26-2006, 2:46 AM
Any weapon that is uses a round that is used by the Mexican military cannot be legally owned by civilians. (I am sure there are ways to get around it).

Ah. Ok, that makes a lot more sense, then. I'm assuming that every time they switch calibers, Mexican gun owners groan. But I'm guessing the goal is to reduce the amount of black-market sales of ammo from the military to civilians? At least, in theory.

So, if their military went from 9mm to 40cal, would they be required to turn in 40cals purchased before the switch, or would they be allowed to hold onto 'em legally?

bonjing
03-26-2006, 7:40 AM
not being a great writer, has anyone considered or has sent in a letter to the news paper regarding her letter, ponting out the flaws in her logic.

jdberger
03-26-2006, 8:56 AM
Ah. Ok, that makes a lot more sense, then. I'm assuming that every time they switch calibers, Mexican gun owners groan. But I'm guessing the goal is to reduce the amount of black-market sales of ammo from the military to civilians? At least, in theory.

So, if their military went from 9mm to 40cal, would they be required to turn in 40cals purchased before the switch, or would they be allowed to hold onto 'em legally?
I really can't think of many Mexican caliber changes.
8mm to .308 to .223
.44 to .45 to .38 to 9mm

That is why the .38 Super is such a popular gun among Mexicans.

Speaking of smuggling, has anyone else travelling to Mexico noticed that the Mexican police stop you coming in, now? They also ask if you have any guns. That seems relatively new to me (last 5 or 6 years).

dwtt
03-26-2006, 9:10 AM
A lot of people here have said how stupid Feinswine's proposals and ideas are. It goes without saying that Feinswine is still working to ban and confiscate ALL guns from the hands of citizens. We should never forget this.

RRangel
03-26-2006, 9:19 AM
Senator Feinstein's complaint is absolutely pathetic. She is a true elitist hypocrite who could care less about common folks. One can't help but to be disgusted. This is a totally disingenuous hit on another firearm that she believes she can have success removing from the hands of the general public. The border problem hasn't suddenly appeared out of thin air.

Where was her concern about the border during the rest of her political career? Oh yeah, she was busy trying to remove our second amendment rights.

Cdog
03-26-2006, 10:35 AM
Her tactics are obvious. She dislikes Ronnie Barrets products, business and politics so the best way to put him out of biz is to make his products illegal. I just wish the .50 cal weren’t so expensive. I would have bought one. It's not really the .50 cal she's after it's the gun industry. She's trying to make head way to shut it down. What good is the 2nd amendment when it's imposable to purchase any gun because of legislation. I'm sorry to say that Phukstien has more sinister political plans up her sleeve while pretending to be protecting us from stray bullets.

spunk2
03-26-2006, 10:52 AM
I read this, this is hella cool. Ronnie Barrett the maker of the popular .50 BMG sniper rifle does not sell to California Government agencies. Because of the ban on his .50 cal rifles.

If we did ban the rifles country wide, that wouldn't stop the mexican militia from getting these rifles from other countries (China, Russia, where-ever else copies are made).



[Edit]
I am going to write a letter to Deborah J Spero telling her exactly this.

spaceburger
03-26-2006, 10:53 AM
Make them legal to volunteer Californians who could then set up sniper squads to seek out the Evil Drug Lord squads and we can have an across the border shoot fest. We could start a pool here, collect money, buy a Predator to fly overhead and verify the target before we pop them. I think if we could capitalize this sport and make some serious money. Opps. Capitalism...there is that dirty word to the Socialist likes of DF.

Cdog
03-26-2006, 11:00 AM
Make them legal to volunteer Californians who could then set up sniper squads to seek out the Evil Drug Lord squads and we can have an across the border shoot fest. We could start a pool here, collect money, buy a Predator to fly overhead and verify the target before we pop them. I think if we could capitalize this sport and make some serious money. Opps. Capitalism...there is that dirty word to the Socialist likes of DF.



Excellent idea. I'm in. :D

Bling Bling 2.0
03-26-2006, 11:26 AM
This has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. She's worried about our border patrol agents being shot at by Mexicans shooting from Mexico. That is part of having an international border! You never know what your international neighbors are going to be up to (citizens or government)! So she would be okay building a wall then? This would protect us from .50BMG sniper rifles? Should we invade Mexico and eliminate these WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION? Does she have good intel? Should we send our border patrol officers home becuase we can't possibly match that kind of firepower?

Guess what, China can fire NUKES at our border patrol from their own country too! Where's your letter on that?

The media should be all over this demanding to see her intel about this "super guns". I don't know if I can sleep tonight.

spitkiss
03-26-2006, 11:48 AM
Any one going to D.C. any time soon? It would be fun to go to this and let her know how we feel.

"I hold this breakfast so that I can listen to your concerns regarding California and our nation, and answer any questions you may have for me."

http://feinstein.senate.gov/breakfast.html

blacklisted
03-26-2006, 12:10 PM
Any one going to D.C. any time soon? It would be fun to go to this and let her know how we feel.

"I hold this breakfast so that I can listen to your concerns regarding California and our nation, and answer any questions you may have for me."

http://feinstein.senate.gov/breakfast.html

I wonder if she serves pancakes?

adamsreeftank
03-26-2006, 12:38 PM
None of this matters anymore.

Now that 50BMGs are banned in CA, we are all safe and sound.

Criminals know better than to use an illegal gun when they commit a crime.

taloft
03-26-2006, 6:36 PM
I'm with Morelli on this one. An armed incursion onto U.S. soil without permission is an act of war. If anything we should be sending troops to the border to deal with this. It definitely is higher up on my list of concerns than the .50BMG. So it should be with congress.

If she is so concerned about our border patrol, how about letting them shoot back to defend themselves? Show me how many agents have been dropped by .50 cal fire in the last ten years, how about ever. None! She's just a manipulative cow that is getting on the antigun bandwagon during an election year. She should just get a Tatto that says, "Follow me, Sheeple" right across her hairy back.

m1371
03-26-2006, 8:24 PM
I wonder if she serves pancakes?

Ohhh.... one could only hope!

I think we should all pick a day, get all the CalGunners together and fly out to DC to have breakfast with the Senator. Think any of the airlines would go for a CalGuns group buy on plane tickets?

We could all bring bunnies with us, and when she opens her mouth to start talking (at which point we'll all know she's lying) put pancakes on our bunnies' heads.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8601/pancakebunny3jz.jpg


Yeah, it's a shameless opportunity to post a pic of a bunny with a pancake on it's head, BUT WHAT THE HECK!!!!!

WhiteSands
03-26-2006, 9:11 PM
Since she thinks she can make legislation in Mexico have her slow down the illegals as well.

Renron
03-26-2006, 10:47 PM
Since she thinks she can make legislation in Mexico have her slow down the illegals as well.

No! Thats not how it's done. We need to make them Illegal...................Wait...........they already are :confused:

xrevxoltx
03-26-2006, 10:56 PM
Ohhh.... one could only hope!

I think we should all pick a day, get all the CalGunners together and fly out to DC to have breakfast with the Senator. Think any of the airlines would go for a CalGuns group buy on plane tickets?


I was just thinking the same thing. If anybody else was willing, I'd love to do it. :) Imagine if we filled up all of her reservation slots, she'd be completely cornered.

NeoWeird
03-27-2006, 6:17 AM
If you think about it, her logic should suggest that we should not ban but ALLOW not only the .50 caliber rifles but bigger bore rifles also so that we can reach out and touch them at distances farther than they can shoot.

Or why not just close off the border entirely and napalm a mile in to kill off any terrorist fraction that attempts to murder and infiltrate our military and law enforcement officers.

Or maybe we should just get someone who knows what the hell they are talking about to suggest new legislation so we don't have some idiot spend a quarter million on thinking up more areas to bad a gun because it's big. I swear she must have a penis and have a Napoleon complex or something...

unimog_88
03-27-2006, 9:26 AM
Frankenstien, I mean Feinstien should move to Mexico instead and run for public office there and if she wins she could ban them guns over there where her shortsighted ideas might work for the US. Better yet kicking out these libtards and democraps gun grabbers to the socialist countries where they came from is the best thing to do for OUR homeland security. These are the very people who are weakening the Republic.

Amen, brother. Maybe this [CENSORED] [CENSORED] [CENSORED] stu[CENSORED]d woman can run the election of the president of Me[CENSORED]co.:D

ldivinag
03-27-2006, 11:12 AM
If she is so concerned about our border patrol, how about letting them shoot back to defend themselves? Show me how many agents have been dropped by .50 cal fire in the last ten years, how about ever. None!

come on... did you see the movie SWAT (the remake)????

where the bad guy shot that LAPD helo with a 50????????











[/sarcasm]

Clodbuster
03-27-2006, 4:39 PM
Not just today. She has always been that way. It's her way of getting more political clout.

The reason Fiendstein rose to power was through scaring the masses with this garbage. She became mayor of SF because of an assasination. Was one of the first to use the word "assault rifle" when everyone in the military called them battle rifles, just because it sounded more Nazi like. And rose to Senator.
Banned toy guns 'cause a cop killed a kid.
Saw the hellfire trigger actuator in a magazine and said that it was disgusting for people to buy full auto weapons by mail...

Should change her name to Palpatine. And as you know, the Sith travel in pairs. The other one is Boxer. Through her lies and treachery, one day she will be Emperor.

Clod


What is she smoking? Seriously what is wrong with the people in office today?

Hey Feinstein, since you probably have someone reading this, why don't you address this problem first:

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3430815
http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=4449500

Tell me why nobody is talking about the Mexican military committing ARMED INCURSIONS onto US soil to run drugs? I don't know, but something about the Mexican military setting up machine gun nests several hundred yards INTO US SOIL doesn't sit well with me. Tell me why it is NOT alright for a USBP Agent to engage hostiles who are firing at them from over the border? The USBP is one of the most "shot at" agencies in the US, and they are not allowed to engage...so, Ms. Feinstein, why would it matter if it was a .22 or a .50 when you people won't allow the agents to defend themselves (and the country)?

vrylak
03-27-2006, 5:13 PM
............................................... Through her lies and treachery, one day she will be Emperor.

Clod

and one day a long-time and trusted apprentice will see the path to righteousness and do the right thing.....

blacklisted
03-27-2006, 8:41 PM
and one day a long-time and trusted apprentice will see the path to righteousness and do the right thing.....

Darth Boxer

Bling Bling 2.0
03-28-2006, 7:47 AM
Should change her name to Palpatine. And as you know, the Sith travel in pairs. The other one is Boxer. Through her lies and treachery, one day she will be Emperor.

Clod

That is freaking hilarious, I'm still laughing... She even looks like Palpatine!

m1371
03-28-2006, 7:50 AM
That is freaking hilarious, I'm still laughing... She even looks like Palpatine!

I'll say it before anyone else can......

SOMEBODY BREAK OUT THE PHOTOSHOP SKILLS! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

> I'm sure SOMEBODY was at least thinking it.......... <

krazz
04-02-2006, 8:49 PM
Do all of you write to this pig and express your feelings, because I do, on a weekly basis, telling her exactly where she can put her hypocritical ideas. The more we write her, the more these @$$*!%#$ figure out that there ARE gun owners in California that actually DO vote. I bet if 100,00 of us marched in downtown Sacramento every Saturday demanding that these laws be reversed, they'd listen.

D.T. Rouland
04-02-2006, 9:10 PM
Does anyone think Ronnie Barret has seen this? Considering his reaction to the 50 cal banning in CA, I'm sure he would be more then happy to throw his hat into the mix.

And yes, once again, incredible logic coming from our wonderful government. Gotta love it.

Or not.

islanderman7
04-05-2006, 9:32 PM
dont know if this is a repost, nor if it bleongs here, but F feinstein. where does she come up w/ this BS



Feinstein warns of border danger from .50-caliber sniper rifles
Author: Feinstein office
Published on Mar 24, 2006, 08:48

U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is urging Customs and Border Protection to assess the threat to border patrol agents should the easily available .50 caliber sniper rifle find its way into the hands of Mexican drug smugglers or other criminals.

"The threat posed by the easy availability of the .50-caliber sniper rifle could endanger our border patrol agents and hinder our ability to control our borders," Senator Feinstein wrote in a letter to U.S. Customs and Border Protection Acting Commissioner Deborah Spero. "Given the range and lethality of these weapons, how would the Border Patrol carry out its mission should these weapons be used by criminals, smugglers and human traffickers shooting across the border?"

Following is the text of the letter Senators Feinstein sent to Commissioner Spero:

March 24, 2006

Deborah J. Spero
Acting Commissioner

U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Department of Homeland Security

1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229

Dear Commissioner Spero,

I write to bring to your attention a significant issue which I believe could endanger our border patrol agents, and hinder our ability to control our borders: the threat posed by the easy availability of the .50-Caliber Sniper Rifle.

At a recent hearing before the Committee on the Judiciary on the subject of border violence, Mr. Aguilar of the Border Patrol testified about the dangers posed by snipers, inside Mexico, shooting across the border at our officers. I asked him about whether analysis of this threat included the newest, and most dangerous, weapon in the sniper's arsenal - the .50-caliber sniper gun. His answer left me with the impression that the threat had not been fully considered.

As you may know, the .50-caliber rifle is accurate at extreme long range: a skilled gunman can kill a man at more than a mile. That accuracy is coupled with extreme lethality, because the projectile is moving so fast, and is so heavy, that it can penetrate steel armor. In fact other elements of the Department of Homeland Security, notable the U.S. Coast Guard, now use the rifle because it can shoot through the engine block of fleeing smuggler "fast-boats."

I have long been concerned about this issue, and have introduced legislation which would, at least in part, address the problem by treating these weapons under the same regulations that govern machine guns, rather than .22-caliber rifles as is presently the law.

I would greatly appreciate if you could advise me, as soon as possible, of the following. Has Customs and Border Protection assessed the threat faced from this weapon, and is so, what is the result of that assessment? What steps have been taken to protect Border Patrol agents from the treat? What steps are planned? Given the range and lethality of these weapons, how would the Border Patrol carry out its mission should these weapons be used by criminals, smugglers and human traffickers shooting across the border?

I look forward to your reply, and working together on this critical issue. I have enclosed some background material for your review.

Yours truly,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

ivorykid
04-05-2006, 9:37 PM
It has been posted here already:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=30923

I think that it was even featured on the coverpage to CalGuns.net

blkA4alb
04-05-2006, 9:37 PM
yes this has been posted before, big discussion about it. i guess im the double post moderator tonight..:rolleyes:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=30923&highlight=border

blkA4alb
04-05-2006, 9:37 PM
It has been posted here already:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=30923

I think that it was even featured on the coverpage to CalGuns.net
beat me to it, we posted in the same minute though:p

ivorykid
04-05-2006, 10:08 PM
beat me to it, we posted in the same minute though:p

Wow. We're good. :cool:

Krusher
04-05-2006, 11:32 PM
This is very true,
Sounds like we need a call to all gunners, not only calgunners, but mabey a nation wide responce to reply to her AND to the comissioner she is sending this letter to,
and mabey even correct some of her flawed facts / logic


I would venture to say she is sewing the seeds (ie the preliminary steps) for imposing a federal ban on the .50

Supernam
04-06-2006, 11:30 AM
It's ok, we'll just have Barrett make a .55 caliber and call it the 55 Feinstein in her honor. :D