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mikehaas
03-20-2006, 1:21 PM
(I know the calguns.net crew has talked the .416 Barrett to death with it's recent introduction, but this puts it and more in a bit of context I thought most could appreciate.)
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In 2004, California passed AB 50, legislation which classified all .50 BMG rifles (even single-shot models!) as "Assault Weapons". This required registration of existing guns and prevented new sales and transfers. As the legislation specifies the .50 BMG round, some manufacturers have responded by introducing some great alternatives. Two prominent rounds have risen to the top of the fray and are ballistically competitive to the historic Browning cartridge, the .510 DTC EUROP (http://ammoguide.com/?catid=437) and the .416 Barrett (http://ammoguide.com/?catid=436).
http://ammoguide.com/gfx/web/50andfam.gif

The EDM Arms' .510 DTC EUROP is a kissing cousin to the .50 BMG so its subtle case modifications highlight the foolishness of California's "ban on the fifty", signed by Governor Schwarzeneggar. To compare .510 DTC EUROP ballistics with other hi-power rounds, click here (http://ammoguide.com/?tool=bcompare&it=35%7c76%7c29%7c17%7c28%7c437).

The .416 Barrett was announced at the SHOT Show 2006. This brand new cartridge pushes an incredibly efficient .41 caliber, 400 grain projectile over 3200 fps and is still supersonic past 2500 yards! The case is derived from the .50 BMG cartridge, shortened to provide optimum powder capacity for the smaller bore. To compare .416 Barrett ballistics with other hi-power .416 caliber rounds, click here (http://ammoguide.com/?tool=bcompare&it=165%7c249%7c151%7c164%7c296%7c201%7c174%7c436).

Want one?

The Fifty Caliber Institute is currently holding a fundraiser in which a new, California-legal Model 99-416 Barrett rifle is the prize. See
http://fiftycal.org/events.php
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The Fifty Caliber Institute, (FCI) was founded to serve as the political arm of the Fifty Caliber Shooter's Assn., (FCSA). However, FCI is not satisfied to simply hold ground and slow the eventual loss of our shooting rights on the legislative front. Our dedication to the advancement of the fifty caliber shooting sports means exactly what it says - advance. FCI is determined to do everything possible to open the fun and excitement of fifty caliber shooting to everybody. FCI is working hard with NRA and FCSA to create more opportunities for those with a .50 BMG to get together, and for those interested in the sport to come out and try. We have taken a grass-roots approach to education on the fine art of long distance marksmanship and are aggressively promoting the skills and habits necessary to enjoy this remarkable sport. We hope you will join us, both on the range and in this fight to not only protect, but to advance, the fifty caliber shooting sports.

Mike

MrTuffPaws
03-20-2006, 1:51 PM
I was really hopeing for the California 49ner. :( The irony would have been just too good.

ohsmily
03-20-2006, 1:54 PM
The 510 DTC has been available since the ban just about. EDM arms, Serbu, and other 50 cal manufacturers currently have models available.

mikehaas
03-20-2006, 2:06 PM
The 510 DTC has been available since the ban just about. EDM arms, Serbu, and other 50 cal manufacturers currently have models available.

AT SHOT Show, enjoyed dinner with John Burtt (http://burttfornraboard.com/) and Bill Ritchie (owner EDM Arms). Saw high-res pictures of his new semi-auto before he announced it - fresh machining visible, no bluing, quite impressive. One seldom sees such beauty without clothes on.

You can imagine how much I wanted to post one of those on AmmoGuide. Unfortunately, start giving away secrets and one doesn't get to see the cool stuff long. (and gets sued royally, I imagine! :-)

http://edmarms.com/products/Semi50.htm - Yeah, that one is to die for of course, but imagine having that prototype!

Mike

SouthbySouthwest
03-20-2006, 3:21 PM
EDM had actually announce this weeks prior to the ShotShow. Pics were seen on the biggerhammer.net board and Bill had them at the Show for all to see. The only thing Bill did after the show is post the pics and start taking orders on the website.

FYI the EDM .510 is NOT the .510 DTC Europ, it is slightly different due to the lack of shoulder radius. So .510 DTC Europ dies donot work with .510 EDM. And .510 EDM rounds donot chamber in the .510 DTC Europ. This was a result of misinterpretation of the original specs by the reamer manufacture. But the rounds works fine and since ETC had put out over 100 guns before the mistake was found, they decided to keep going with the altered case.

mrkubota
03-21-2006, 8:38 AM
If Barrett starts to produce the .416 cases in quantity, I wouldn't be surprised to see an immediate move by many (at least me!) to neck it UP to .510 again.
The BMG case has always been considered to be overbore and the Barrett case might just be the ticket to help. Especially if it's widely available.
(think .30-06 vs .308 as an analogy)

Another alternative for the CA market is the M48 (.50 'spotter') cartridge.
The case can be purchased surplus, or formed from .50bmg cases and uses all the same loading components as the .50bmg as well.

Guns are manufactured by Serbu.com and LigaMec(ultralite50.com) already.
Reloading die sets for all the catridges can be obtained from CH4D.com

http://www.daplane.com/50bmg/50spotter.jpg

I have one of the 18" UltraLite50 models. Here's a short review of it:
http://www.daplane.com/50bmg/ul50rpt.htm

xenophobe
03-21-2006, 9:22 AM
I was really hopeing for the California 49ner. :( The irony would have been just too good.

At the shop, we were always talking about trimming down a .50 BMG case by several thousandths and call it the .50 Schwarzenegger! ;)

Hunter
03-21-2006, 9:31 AM
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In 2004, California passed AB 50, legislation which classified all .50 BMG rifles (even single-shot models!) as "Assault Weapons". ........

Mike


Actually this is not correct. The .50 BMG is not an "Assault Weapon" by DOJ. It is in its own classification that bans .50BMG Rifles. IF it was an AW, then everyone who had used a AR lower w/.50 BMG upper would then be free do take that lower and put all of the evil features on it (basically what people are pushing for with the "unlisted" lowers). But the truth is you cannot do this with the .50 BMGs as they are NOT an Assualt Weapon. This also prevents those with Barrett 82a1cal from making them with detachable mags now. So the .50BMG is just banned, plain and simple and not an AW.