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aaronraby1
05-19-2010, 7:11 PM
im thinking of getting this to build a long range rifle. preferably the 10xs model cause its more reasonably priced...at this time...

any opinions on this rifle?

i plan on having the big knob put on the bolt, a US optics 20moa base and a leupold VX3 in 4.5-14X50 long range custom built with m1 turrets because it has the most elevation minutes. (125) which is more than the mark 4. that will be enough to get me out to 1000 yards if not more. i will eventually put my own break on it.

does anyone have this rifle? what do you think? how accurate is it out of the box? is it a BANG for the BUCK?

if you hand load for this, what is the best load you have found so far?

thanks for your input!

1911su16b870
05-19-2010, 8:45 PM
Make sure you're sitting down prior to reading further...


...each round will run you $3 to $6 bucks depending on if you reload from new components or buy factory loads...:eek:

bomb_on_bus
05-19-2010, 8:49 PM
you could also get a 20, 30, 40 MOA scope base to help add elevation so you dont have to crank up to near max elevation on your cross hairs and can save you when you get out to the farther reaches of the bullet.

Hoop
05-19-2010, 8:53 PM
I have a sendero in 300 win, it's super accurate. I have been enamored with my 308 lately though so I haven't shot it in a year or so.

338 lapua is cool but really, really expensive.

damon1272
05-19-2010, 9:01 PM
You could do a poor mans lapua and do a rifle in 338 remington ultra mag. very close to the blistics but cheaper on ammo. Check out sniper counrty for a write up on this.

Henry Shooter
05-19-2010, 9:15 PM
The 338 LM Rem Police is a good platform. Its a good way to get into the long range arena for a reduced cost. My set up is a basic set w/ a Leupold scope, 1/4 moa base. Once I got her dialed in she performs well. Recoil is managable with the factory break it recoils about like a heavy load on my 30-06.
Now the bad side of the gun, ammo is expensive. I load all my own for alot of reasons, but with the 338 LM it all comes down to price. I havent calculated it but I believe Im less than $3 a round easy. The brass is what hurts the most. I bought 100 rounds of Lapua once fired off GB for about $175.
I dont look back on this gun setup, It is the most enjoyable and challenging gun I shoot would trade it for anything. My advice spend the money and do it.

C.G.
05-19-2010, 9:19 PM
[QUOTE=Henry Shooter;4316660]The 338 LM Rem Police is a good platform. QUOTE]

What is the twist and barrel length?

RomanDad
05-19-2010, 9:26 PM
[QUOTE=Henry Shooter;4316660]The 338 LM Rem Police is a good platform. QUOTE]

What is the twist and barrel length?

26" 1/10


My 10 day wait period on mine ends this weekend.

Getting a 30 MOA rail, Harris, A few extra mags and probably a Nightforce to go up top.

God Bless The Mauser
05-20-2010, 12:48 AM
[QUOTE=C.G.;4316678]

26" 1/10


My 10 day wait period on mine ends this weekend.

Getting a 30 MOA rail, Harris, A few extra mags and probably a Nightforce to go up top.

Where did you score that?

brando
05-20-2010, 5:11 AM
If you're trying to head down a more economical road to long range (ie beyond 1000 yards), you might consider .300WM instead. If you have to rely on factory ammo, it's FAR less expensive (about 1/4 the price) of .338LM ammo and is still good to about 1400 yards.

And if you're going to try to get the most distance out of a .338LM, you'll want an optic with a bit more magnification - 20x or 25x is ideal in my book. Then again, if you want to smack steel at 1000 yards with authority, your combo is just fine.

ar15barrels
05-20-2010, 9:25 AM
im thinking of getting this to build a long range rifle.

Where are you planning to shoot it?
At what distance do you expect to be shooting?

You might want to read this:
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34

Timberwolf
05-20-2010, 9:33 AM
im thinking of getting this to build a long range rifle.

From reading your post I have to ask if you have experience shooting long range? By that I mean 600 yards plus. The reason I ask is the 338LM has an awful expensive learning curve which may prevent you from becoming proficient as you may not be able to afford to put the necessary rounds down range to hone your skills. My suggestion would be to step down a little to either a 308, 30-06 or even a 300WM if you need a magnum, learn the basics and then go from there.

RomanDad
05-20-2010, 1:27 PM
Mauser- shoot me a pm. I've seen them go for as much as $2k. I think we have one on cg right now for 1700. I paid under $1100.

Sheldon
05-20-2010, 1:36 PM
There is a thread on Snipershide that mentioned guys getting them for as cheap as $1200 or so. Sounds like a nice rifle.

lazuris
05-20-2010, 2:41 PM
1st. If you want long range and are new to it start with a 308 or 300wm. They have the most loaded ammo availible. And it is way cheaper.

2nd. If you want something better than 308/300wm go 260 or 7mag. Both rounds out perform the 30 cal stuff. 260, depending on the load is supersonic to 1500 yds down here, a mile if you are in the mountains. The 7mag is = to the 338 laupa in terms of ballistic profile with certain loads.

3rd A 1000 yds is nothing. Granted if you are trying to print itty bitty groups it becomes challanging, Yet ringing MOA sized steel is simple and can be achieved with out having to resort to a 338.

However to be fair I have a surgeon 1581xl on order and a 30" Krieger 1:9 so i'll be joinging the 338 club soon.

RomanDad
05-20-2010, 3:41 PM
AFAIK, the 338 Lapua now has the record for the longest confirmed kill in combat.

To me that screams one thing.... GET THEM BEFORE SOME MANIAC ON THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE HEARS ABOUT IT AND WRITES A BILL TO OUTLAW 'EM.


I wish I had bought a .50 BMG way back when.... And if (when) I move out I will definitely pick one of those up.

aaronraby1
05-20-2010, 7:14 PM
i own a 300 win mag. (that i loveeee!!) i have shot it out to 700 yards at angeles range. as far as placing nice groups at that range, its a bit hard to maintain holdover accurately(thats why i had my turrets changed). but i have hit steel at that range.
im not a first time shooter but im also not the best. my skills will always have room for improvement. i appreciate all of your responses and will keep them in mind in making a good decision. :D:D:D

aaronraby1
05-20-2010, 7:24 PM
Where are you planning to shoot it?
At what distance do you expect to be shooting?

You might want to read this:
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34

i know of one 1000 yard range in southern cali so far. i will start with that. well... not start but work my way there and eventually up to at least 1500. all in time. when i finally feel i am able to make shots further, i will look into places i can shoot that distance.

aaronraby1
05-20-2010, 7:38 PM
1st. If you want long range and are new to it start with a 308 or 300wm. They have the most loaded ammo availible. And it is way cheaper.

2nd. If you want something better than 308/300wm go 260 or 7mag. Both rounds out perform the 30 cal stuff. 260, depending on the load is supersonic to 1500 yds down here, a mile if you are in the mountains. The 7mag is = to the 338 laupa in terms of ballistic profile with certain loads.

3rd A 1000 yds is nothing. Granted if you are trying to print itty bitty groups it becomes challanging, Yet ringing MOA sized steel is simple and can be achieved with out having to resort to a 338.

However to be fair I have a surgeon 1581xl on order and a 30" Krieger 1:9 so i'll be joinging the 338 club soon.

do you know how far the 338 LM stay supersonic? i will look into those other calibers. thanks!!

RomanDad
05-20-2010, 7:43 PM
do you know how far the 338 LM stay supersonic? i will look into those other calibers. thanks!!

1600 Yrds+

Set4Success
05-20-2010, 8:07 PM
I wish I had bought a .50 BMG way back when.... And if (when) I move out I will definitely pick one of those up.

50DTC is just as good.

Solidsnake87
05-20-2010, 9:37 PM
You sure you don't wanna do .308 or .223? Both can do distance with the right loads.

pontiacpratt
05-21-2010, 5:45 AM
You sure you don't wanna do .308 or .223? Both can do distance with the right loads.

Yeah but it's not a .338 Lapua.

RomanDad
05-24-2010, 3:42 PM
10 days is a long damned time!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0519.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0520.jpg

The Director
05-24-2010, 3:44 PM
Romandad,


Gonna need a better picture than that bro! Where did you (can you) buy those locally ...i.e. socal?

RomanDad
05-24-2010, 3:48 PM
Romandad,


Gonna need a better picture than that bro! Where did you (can you) buy those locally ...i.e. socal?

You tell me the angle (and where you would like me to put the croks) and Ill take the picture... :D


I bought mine from an online gunshop in Montana. Took me OVER a year to find it.... You can pick them up all day long on Gunbroker for $1500-1800, but Im a cheap bastard....

Ive been to every gunshop in Socal.... When I asked for the Lapua, some just snickered and walked away.... Some said "We may be able to get one.... But it'll be a while." and they quoted me $2K for it.

So I held out til I could pay retail (under $1100 with shipping and fees).

Heres a shot next to my OLL for comparison.... Its a good sized rifle....

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0522.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0525.jpg

The Director
05-24-2010, 5:18 PM
Awesome.

Would love a shot of the bolt handle side of it. Looks massive.

I likey!

RomanDad
05-24-2010, 5:35 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0527.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0529.jpg

RomanDad
05-24-2010, 5:39 PM
In stock now at SnipercountyPX.... No affiliation.

http://www.snipercountrypx.com/pc-4514-833-remington-700p-mlr-338-lapua.aspx

The Director
05-24-2010, 6:35 PM
Schweeeet!

Bhobbs
05-24-2010, 6:48 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0527.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0529.jpg

What optics do you/are you planning on using?

aaronraby1
05-24-2010, 8:10 PM
mmmm... me likeyyy'!! this is why i want this rifle!

RomanDad
05-24-2010, 9:04 PM
What optics do you/are you planning on using?

NF ??-??x56

Bhobbs
05-24-2010, 9:05 PM
NF ??-??x56

Nice. I want to see some pics of it put together.

RomanDad
05-24-2010, 9:16 PM
Nice. I want to see some pics of it put together.

Definitely.... It'll probably take a few months before I get it all together... My goal is to have it up in time for some long ranging over the Holidays.

ar15barrels
05-24-2010, 10:33 PM
NF ??-??x56

5.5-22's have 100moa of erector travel.
8-32's have 65moa of erector travel.
12-42's have 45moa of erector travel.

Now split the erector travel in half, then subtract 5 moa for a 100yd zero and that's what you have left of usable travel.
A 20moa scope base will add 20moa to the usable travel.

RomanDad
05-25-2010, 5:56 AM
5.5-22's have 100moa of erector travel.
8-32's have 65moa of erector travel.
12-42's have 45moa of erector travel.

Now split the erector travel in half, then subtract 5 moa for a 100yd zero and that's what you have left of usable travel.
A 20moa scope base will add 20moa to the usable travel.

Thats AWESOME info to have, and I hadnt come across that before.... Usualy the type of thing you dont find out til you read an owners manual.

Im getting a 30 MOA base.

Obviously I havent doped the rifle yet, but AFAIK, 338LM should come in around 50MOA at 1500 yards.... And once I can get to a range where I can stretch it out, Ill probably zero further out.... 400-600 or so.....

By my math, the 5.5-22 should be adjustable out to about 2100 yards set up like that?

ar15barrels
05-25-2010, 7:06 AM
Thats AWESOME info to have, and I hadnt come across that before.... Usualy the type of thing you dont find out til you read an owners manual.

Perhaps these would be a useful threads:
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=222
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37

Lots of other good stuff on the caprc site as well... ;)

wildcard
05-25-2010, 7:24 AM
Here's pictures of mine..

Think it looks cool? I actually don't like this rifle. Thoughts of selling it have crossed my mind.. but figured I'll give myself a chance to grow into it.. I sure as hell spent enough on it. Load development has been a real bizatch.

Specs:
Built by RD Precision
Stiller Predator X Action
AICS 2.0 Chassis
Rock Barrel
NF Scope
Patriot Arms Brake
Huber Concepts Trigger
Seekins 30 MOA Base
Badger Max 50 Alloy Rings
Self-made 1-piece bipod mount
Rock Bipod

Reloaded ammo comes out to $1.00 per trigger squeeze.

What a f-ing money pit.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0212.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0213.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0214.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0216.jpg

dfletcher
05-25-2010, 7:46 AM
im thinking of getting this to build a long range rifle. preferably the 10xs model cause its more reasonably priced...at this time...

any opinions on this rifle?

i plan on having the big knob put on the bolt, a US optics 20moa base and a leupold VX3 in 4.5-14X50 long range custom built with m1 turrets because it has the most elevation minutes. (125) which is more than the mark 4. that will be enough to get me out to 1000 yards if not more. i will eventually put my own break on it.

does anyone have this rifle? what do you think? how accurate is it out of the box? is it a BANG for the BUCK?

if you hand load for this, what is the best load you have found so far?

thanks for your input!

Shoot - how the heck did I miss this thread .....?

I have the Remington 700 MLR in 338 LM, got it from Tabor's late last year and my understanding is he'll get in a few more. Am using a Leupold longe range 6.5 to 24 (or 20, not sure) with a Farrell base. I dumped an AR 30 to get it, the AR 30 is not very ergonomic and the lock time is slow as heck. The MLR costs about $600.00 less than the AR, I think the only advantage the AR has is that great brake - no recoil.

I reload for the MLR and two others (FN Mini Hecate and HS Precision Takedown) and generally use the 215, 225 and 250 grain bullets - usually Nosler or Sierra. I've found IMR 7828, both the 4350s and VV 156 work well - VV works best. The 300 grain Sierra is fine for long range, but I've found on all 3 guns that it has a much different point of impact than the 200 to 225 grain bullets, it's not like going from 147 to 168 grain in 308.

My cost for 20 rounds reloaded, since I bought lots of 338 bullets years ago, is about $1.00 a round with Lapua or Norma brass. I'm told the Hornady is a bit soft, Grafs offers Privi Partizan brass for about $120.00 per 100. No idea how good it is: http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12640

The only changes I'd make to the Remington would be a heavier barrel and an adjustable comb on the stock, maybe a different brake. Not sure but I assume the barrel is AR 10 type threaded - I suppose that's a "one of these days" project for me.

I've adjusted the trigger about as low as I can get it, no creep or overtravel. I have a fair amount of 700s/40Xs and a pretty good feel for safely adjusting the trigger, I think it's worth the effort.

RomanDad
05-25-2010, 11:27 AM
Perhaps these would be a useful threads:
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=222
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37

Lots of other good stuff on the caprc site as well... ;)

Wow... Excellent stuff.... I beleive you sent me a link on that site a while back, and I honestly forgot to check back in..... Time to bookmark!

Thanks!

BTW.... Mounted my Harris this morning...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0530.jpg

aaronraby1
05-25-2010, 2:32 PM
Wow... Excellent stuff.... I beleive you sent me a link on that site a while back, and I honestly forgot to check back in..... Time to bookmark!

Thanks!

BTW.... Mounted my Harris this morning...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/IMG_0530.jpg

that barrel looks beefy!! bummbbbbbb!!

aaronraby1
05-29-2010, 11:38 AM
well guys.... i have some bad news... looks like i wont be getting this rifle for a good long while. ha. i called i think 5-6 gun shops and every single one told me that there is no hope. though i have found some for $1500-1700, i also found more for $1075-1250. the lower the cost the more attractive of course, and thanks for helping romandad! one supplier said they have 135 backordered, others said they have no clue when one will be coming in. anywho, ill keep my eye open.

ar15barrels
05-31-2010, 12:26 AM
well guys.... i have some bad news... looks like i wont be getting this rifle for a good long while. ha. i called i think 5-6 gun shops and every single one told me that there is no hope. though i have found some for $1500-1700, i also found more for $1075-1250. the lower the cost the more attractive of course, and thanks for helping romandad! one supplier said they have 135 backordered, others said they have no clue when one will be coming in. anywho, ill keep my eye open.

Get a 308 and learn to shoot longrange in the meantime.
Place a backorder with one of the shops with the lowest price and just wait for it to come in much later.

winxp_man
05-31-2010, 3:12 AM
Get a 308 and learn to shoot longrange in the meantime.
Place a backorder with one of the shops with the lowest price and just wait for it to come in much later.

this i say would be the best way to go :D

winxp_man
05-31-2010, 3:13 AM
Here's pictures of mine..

Think it looks cool? I actually don't like this rifle. Thoughts of selling it have crossed my mind.. but figured I'll give myself a chance to grow into it.. I sure as hell spent enough on it. Load development has been a real bizatch.

Specs:
Built by RD Precision
Stiller Predator X Action
AICS 2.0 Chassis
Rock Barrel
NF Scope
Patriot Arms Brake
Huber Concepts Trigger
Seekins 30 MOA Base
Badger Max 50 Alloy Rings
Self-made 1-piece bipod mount
Rock Bipod

Reloaded ammo comes out to $1.00 per trigger squeeze.

What a f-ing money pit.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0212.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0213.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0214.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0216.jpg

i can only imagine the money dumped into this rifle :eek:

but other than that that would be a dream for me to own wow nice rifle bro :cool2:

zukieast
05-31-2010, 3:33 AM
A buddy and me picked ours up in December from a gunshop in Escondido. Precision Rifles. We paid about $1400 for them.

Came with 1 magazine.

Put the Nightforce 20MOA 1 piece base, and a Nightforce 5.5-22 scope on it. My buddy put on a Leupold MK4 3-12 with Nightforce 20MOA base.

The high power scope is nice but I cant hit crap with it at 22power, that is because I spend too much time trying to muscle the crosshairs on target. Crank it back down to 10-14 and GONG!!

So far we have gotten them out to 550yards (8"x8" steel plates), and once it is on it is on

As for a hunting rifle I would not want to hump the thing around the hills/mountains anywhere. Maybe in the flatlands. Its too heavy, the scope is too bulky, the stock does not lend itself well for offhand shooting, or quick shots. Get in a blind and just site there you will be ok.

Its bark is worse than its bite. Recoil is about the same as my M1 Garand. The muzzle break does an excellant job. If you shoot in the prone position be sure to have some ground cover because it will kick crap into your face.

Reloading for it is the only way to go. $120+ for 20 rounds is outrageous and should be against the law. So far we have only been using Lapua Brass, 250GrBTHP bullets Hornandy, we get about 70rounds out of 1lb of powder.

When I get back from Afghanistan in June we plan on taking them out to the 1K distance to really see what we can do with it.

I have 6.5/308/naught 6/308WM and all are excellent better choice hunting rifles for humping around. But the BOOOM factor and just the sheer size of the 338 makes it worth it. The 416/338barrett/50DTC are just too expensive of a platform to get started in.

ar15barrels
05-31-2010, 10:52 AM
So far we have gotten them out to 550yards (8"x8" steel plates), and once it is on it is on

It's a total waste to be shooting a 338 lapua at anything less than 1000 yds when a 243, 260 or 308 will work just fine at much lower cost/recoil at those distances.

I shot the big west coast precision rifle match this weekend with my 243 and had no problem hitting 6" round plates at 550 yds, even with a decent crosswind.
8" square plates would be REALLY easy in the same conditions.

aaronraby1
05-31-2010, 1:56 PM
this i say would be the best way to go :D

im thinking about it. but if i do, it would be another 300 win mag. im heading out to the turners deal this friday, maybe i can find something decently priced that is within my expectations. anyone else attending on friday?

ar15barrels
05-31-2010, 7:11 PM
im thinking about it. but if i do, it would be another 300 win mag. im heading out to the turners deal this friday, maybe i can find something decently priced that is within my expectations. anyone else attending on friday?

Why would you want a 300 win mag?
I think you are vastly under-estimating the capabilities of the 308.
Perhaps you are reading too many things about external ballistics to the point that you don't understand the SCALE of the differences between the cartridges.

I would prompt you to read this thread on choosing a cartridge:
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34

aaronraby1
05-31-2010, 8:04 PM
Why would you want a 300 win mag?
I think you are vastly under-estimating the capabilities of the 308.
Perhaps you are reading too many things about external ballistics to the point that you don't understand the SCALE of the differences between the cartridges.

I would prompt you to read this thread on choosing a cartridge:
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34

i have read that a few times actually. i have read other information on the two as well. everything i read convinces me to lean even more toward a 300win. its faster, flatter and has more kenetic energy left at various distances..

http://www.empirerifles.com/Ballistic%20Rank.htm

also, i started shooting with a 30-06 and then went to a 300win mag and 300 weatherby mag. so far, my 300win has given me the best results as far as hunting and accuracy for paper.

i know there are people that swear up and down on the 308, but im just not convinced. yet, perhaps you are right, im reading too much to the point where i dont understand the SCALE of the difference. or maybe im just faithful to the 300 win. hahhaaa.

ar15barrels
05-31-2010, 9:28 PM
i know there are people that swear up and down on the 308, but im just not convinced. yet, perhaps you are right, im reading too much to the point where i dont understand the SCALE of the difference. or maybe im just faithful to the 300 win. hahhaaa.

The significant driving force behind the 308 recommendation for a precision rifle cartridge is the reduced recoil and cost compared to the magnums as well as the increased barrel life.
Sure the magnums shoot flatter and carry more energy to target, but if you are only shooting targets, the energy does not matter.
If you want to shoot a lot, the barrel life can be a considerable factor.
For example, the magnums are going to lose accuracy in as little as 1000 rounds while the 308 is good for at least 3000 rounds.
That's a significant difference.
On the other side, if you are only going to shoot 10 rounds to zero and then 3-5 rounds hunting each year, the barrel wear and ammo cost issues won't apply to you.
It's not uncommon to fire 50-100 rounds per day while shooting longrange so you can see that recoil and barrel wear can be significant issues in that case.
While a 308 is not the BEST longrange cartridge, it's reduced recoil, ammo cost and barrel life lets you shoot it a LOT more which will make you a better shooter.
The problem with the magnums is that you won't shoot enough due to recoil, ammo cost and barrel life to ever become really good.

Once you have the skills that wearing out your first 308 will earn you, then you will see the need for multiple rifles to do specific jobs.
Then it's just a matter of choosing the right tool for the job.

The Director
05-31-2010, 9:37 PM
Well - there's dozens of other rifles chambered in .308 LM. How about the Savage 110BA?

j4strngr
05-31-2010, 11:17 PM
I think 7mm Mag is a good compromise super flat and good energy... Just my 2 cents

ar15barrels
05-31-2010, 11:54 PM
Well - there's dozens of other rifles chambered in .308 LM. How about the Savage 110BA?

What's a .308 LM?

The Director
06-01-2010, 11:54 AM
^ I meant .338LM

aaronraby1
06-01-2010, 4:31 PM
The significant driving force behind the 308 recommendation for a precision rifle cartridge is the reduced recoil and cost compared to the magnums as well as the increased barrel life.
Sure the magnums shoot flatter and carry more energy to target, but if you are only shooting targets, the energy does not matter.
If you want to shoot a lot, the barrel life can be a considerable factor.
For example, the magnums are going to lose accuracy in as little as 1000 rounds while the 308 is good for at least 3000 rounds.
That's a significant difference.
On the other side, if you are only going to shoot 10 rounds to zero and then 3-5 rounds hunting each year, the barrel wear and ammo cost issues won't apply to you.
It's not uncommon to fire 50-100 rounds per day while shooting longrange so you can see that recoil and barrel wear can be significant issues in that case.
While a 308 is not the BEST longrange cartridge, it's reduced recoil, ammo cost and barrel life lets you shoot it a LOT more which will make you a better shooter.
The problem with the magnums is that you won't shoot enough due to recoil, ammo cost and barrel life to ever become really good.

Once you have the skills that wearing out your first 308 will earn you, then you will see the need for multiple rifles to do specific jobs.
Then it's just a matter of choosing the right tool for the job.

that is definitely a different perspective on it. i totally agree. i think what i will do, put a 338 on order and then get a 308 for the meantime. i actually looked at a few today at turners while i got some coupons for the show this weekend. im pretty turned on to the savage 10. or if i can find a decent packaged rifle on here that i like then i just might pick it up. any suggestions??

dfletcher
06-01-2010, 5:39 PM
that is definitely a different perspective on it. i totally agree. i think what i will do, put a 338 on order and then get a 308 for the meantime. i actually looked at a few today at turners while i got some coupons for the show this weekend. im pretty turned on to the savage 10. or if i can find a decent packaged rifle on here that i like then i just might pick it up. any suggestions??

This is where all the "buy a Remington 700 XXX model because you can add all sorts of stuff to it" and I suppose it's tough to argue with that approach. But in the interest of some alternatives I'll mention the Savage 12BVSS. Nice stock, heavy and stable. I'm not a great fan of the AccuTrigger (it's OK but not great) but have one in 300 WSM, can be had in 308. Next would be an FN SPR. Wonderfully accurate. Finally, there's the Ruger 77V. Excellent trigger and I think a very under rated target rifle. I have them in 223, 25.06, 6.5 Creedmoor and 308. Not alot to offer by way of extra stuff, I added an adjustable recoil pad and a cheek piece from Brownells. They are each extremely accurate, although the 25.06 was a pain to get right.

aaronraby1
06-01-2010, 9:02 PM
This is where all the "buy a Remington 700 XXX model because you can add all sorts of stuff to it" and I suppose it's tough to argue with that approach. But in the interest of some alternatives I'll mention the Savage 12BVSS. Nice stock, heavy and stable. I'm not a great fan of the AccuTrigger (it's OK but not great) but have one in 300 WSM, can be had in 308. Next would be an FN SPR. Wonderfully accurate. Finally, there's the Ruger 77V. Excellent trigger and I think a very under rated target rifle. I have them in 223, 25.06, 6.5 Creedmoor and 308. Not alot to offer by way of extra stuff, I added an adjustable recoil pad and a cheek piece from Brownells. They are each extremely accurate, although the 25.06 was a pain to get right.

do you have pictures of the adjustible recoil pad and cheek piece? also, maybe the link where you found it.. i looked through a million pages and couldnt find it!

dfletcher
06-02-2010, 9:50 AM
^^^

Here is a page with a few adjustable recoil pads. I tend to use the Morgan because it is easy to fit, but have used the Graco also.

To find the cheek piece just search "Scope Eze" and it will come up.

ar15barrels
06-02-2010, 10:25 AM
im pretty turned on to the savage 10. or if i can find a decent packaged rifle on here that i like then i just might pick it up. any suggestions??

One of our guys is getting ready to sell a complete savage package as he just shot his first big match and now realizes why the 700's are so much better.
It's a 10FP in a McMillan stock with a muzzle brake that I installed.

Otherwise, read this thread:
http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35

aaronraby1
07-12-2010, 9:09 AM
i pick mine up on friday!!!! woooo!!!!