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Bhobbs
05-19-2010, 3:08 PM
Just curious as to what it would take to effectively shoot to 2 miles. After reading about the Brit shooting 2 guys at 2,700 yards with his .338 LM got me interested in reaching the extra half mile.

OutlawDon
05-19-2010, 3:11 PM
Lots of luck, right caliber, weapon, and doping. Did I say lots of luck? ;)

3500 yards....that's far! Most rifle rounds can travel that far. Hitting what you intend to is a different story.

noob_tube
05-19-2010, 3:15 PM
One big rifle and a healthy helping of skill with a pinch of luck. :)

professorhard
05-19-2010, 3:15 PM
Getting a projectile to go 2 miles isn't hard, hitting someone at 2 miles is near impossible.

Fjold
05-19-2010, 3:16 PM
I'd say something based on a full length 20MM round necked down to .70 caliber to use a long sleek bullet, like maybe a 1,000+ grain VLD bullet, high altitude, cool weather, no wind and a butt load of .

Richie Caketown
05-19-2010, 3:17 PM
Getting a projectile to go 2 miles isn't hard, hitting someone at 2 miles is near impossible.

^this

long distance = high trajectory with a big caliber

hitting something at long distance = optics , patience , training , so much more

civilsnake
05-19-2010, 3:23 PM
High Explosive artillery rounds.

dskell
05-19-2010, 4:21 PM
High Explosive artillery rounds.

Precisely.

Bhobbs
05-19-2010, 4:30 PM
I don't necessarily mean a human target I mean just hitting any target at that kind of range in war or just for fun.

winnre
05-19-2010, 4:33 PM
Easy answer: .408 Cheytac!

http://www.cheytac.com/

KillZone45
05-19-2010, 4:35 PM
Anzio 20mm will go 5000 yards.

Bhobbs
05-19-2010, 4:41 PM
Does anyone make VLD 20mm projectiles?

KCDS
05-19-2010, 4:53 PM
a tank gun

Fjold
05-19-2010, 5:05 PM
Does anyone make VLD 20mm projectiles?

Lathe turn them yourself.

mif_slim
05-19-2010, 5:37 PM
Just curious as to what it would take to effectively shoot to 2 miles. After reading about the Brit shooting 2 guys at 2,700 yards with his .338 LM got me interested in reaching the extra half mile.

45 degree angle pointed in the genral direction. ;) jk

reidnez
05-19-2010, 5:41 PM
Just curious as to what it would take to effectively shoot to 2 miles.

If I need to send a bullet that far, I'll use FedEx.

Bhobbs
05-19-2010, 5:49 PM
Anzio makes a 20mm full length cartridge necked down to .50 caliber. They say it will launch a 750 grain A-Max at 3,600 fps.

I would lathe turn my own projectiles but I have no access to a CNC lathe. If it can be done on a manual lathe I can use one at work.

77bawls
05-19-2010, 6:32 PM
Knowing when to shoot between heart beats.

Nessal
05-19-2010, 6:32 PM
How those brit snipers hit TWO people at that range is beyond me. I wonder what optics they were using...sounds rediculous.

THT
05-19-2010, 6:33 PM
If I need to send a bullet that far, I'll use FedEx.

:rofl:

1919_4_ME
05-19-2010, 6:53 PM
Yep the Anzio 20/50 rifle could do it.
www.anzioironworks.com/Anzio-20-50.html

El Gato
05-19-2010, 6:54 PM
High Explosive artillery rounds.

Yep... that'll do...:D

Bhobbs
05-19-2010, 6:55 PM
Yep the Anzio 20/50 rifle could do it.
www.anzioironworks.com/Anzio-20-50.html

I bet that round is real easy on barrels though.

gn3hz3ku1*
05-19-2010, 6:56 PM
the rifle on a m1a1 can do it...

tonelar
05-19-2010, 6:57 PM
no one has even mentioned an ACE compliment of spotters?

the mile and a half British sniper had a spotter as well as a team about half the distance between him and the soon to be dead machine gunners

OP,
Before you start thinking of besting that kind of shooting by an additional half mile, consider that British Army Sniper Harrison bettered the Canadian sniper record by a little over 49 yards.

aaronraby1
05-19-2010, 6:58 PM
i think a place to be able to shoot that distance (safely and legally) will be needed first!

unless you plan on going to afghanistan..... then im sure you wont have to worry about the above statement.

Bhobbs
05-19-2010, 7:01 PM
I don't think I could hit the ground if I fell out of a tree at 2 miles much less a target. I just was wonder if any one had tried a 2 mile shot on here or any plans to do it and with what caliber/rifle set up.

tonelar
05-19-2010, 7:19 PM
45 degree angle pointed in the genral direction. ;) jk

Wish I could find the reference that I read a couple weeks ago. It made more mention about them communicating with another spotting team as well as the shooter having to hold his sights 6 feet high and 20 inches wide to make the mile and a half shots.


I don't think I could hit the ground if I fell out of a tree at 2 miles much less a target. I just was wonder if any one had tried a 2 mile shot on here or any plans to do it and with what caliber/rifle set up.

I hope you didn't misread my tone... but to even attempt a 1 mile shot would require more resources than I'm accustomed to taking on a typical range outing.

I'll be impressed on the day I can hit a bucket at 200 yards. I've missed consistently all afternoon for more days than I care to recollect.

Cobrafreak
05-19-2010, 7:43 PM
What the article doesn't say is the Brit shot at the guy 40 times before he hit him!











Just kidding :rofl2:

Bhobbs
05-19-2010, 8:32 PM
Wish I could find the reference that I read a couple weeks ago. It made more mention about them communicating with another spotting team as well as the shooter having to hold his sights 6 feet high and 20 inches wide to make the mile and a half shots.




I hope you didn't misread my tone... but to even attempt a 1 mile shot would require more resources than I'm accustomed to taking on a typical range outing.

I'll be impressed on the day I can hit a bucket at 200 yards. I've missed consistently all afternoon for more days than I care to recollect.

I have nothing that is capable of making a 1 mile shot. the extent of my long range shooting was a 3ft rock at 750 yards on Sunday with my Kar98k iron sights.

brando
05-20-2010, 6:34 AM
The problem with making a shot at such distances, and the same problem the Brit sniper faced, is the fall angle when you push a cartridge to it's range limit is so severe that even being off on your range estimation by a slight amount will result in a miss. This is the Danger Space parameter and it's one of the reasons why you ideally want the round to be supersonic when it reaches the target and shooting relatively flat. This isn't lasers or shooting in a vacuum; we're tossing projectiles on an arc trajectory and the more curved that trajectory, the more precise your distance calculations need to be. A flatter trajectory gives you more room for error because there's more target in the way for it to hit.

The supersonic factor is one of stability. When a bullet slows down enough from drag it reaches the transonic phase where it starts to wobble and the trajectory becomes more difficult to predict. Bullets with a very high BC tend to handle this transition to subsonic speeds more predictably than others, but it's still a crap shoot.

On top of that, variance in velocities will always introduce the largest drop differences at extreme ranges. Even the best precision ammo the military buys will tend to have a +/- 25fps variance in velocity which doesn't matter when you're shooting under 1000 yards, but when you stretch it out to 2700 it can be the difference between hitting the target and falling 3m short.

.338LM goes subsonic around 1800 yards in most loads, the .408CT continues on to about 2250 yards and the .375CT on to 2800 yards. Either way, to hit a target at 3500 yards you'll be faced with the bullet well into the subsonic phase and having a time of flight of more than 3 seconds (that's a long time for wind to effect it). The .375CT would be the current best bet, but it's still not a shot I'd want to make if lives are at stake. CAS or mortars would be a much better option :)

I should point out, the size of the target is another important factor. I can hit a laptop sized target at 1 mile, but there's no way I'm going to be able to hit something so small at 2 miles...

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/BDoggBrando/ELR/DSC_0046.jpg

M1A Rifleman
05-20-2010, 6:35 AM
Many degrees of angle.

drifter001
05-20-2010, 6:48 AM
Ac130 105 shells should do the trick

ohsmily
05-20-2010, 7:38 AM
the rifle on a m1a1 can do it...

There is no rifle on an M1A1 unless you mean a tank crew member with an M16 inside or something.

ar15barrels
05-20-2010, 8:17 AM
the rifle on a m1a1 can do it...

That's not a rifle, that's a gun. ;)
Rifles are shoulder fired.

Seahawk
05-20-2010, 8:45 AM
FA18 Hornet can effectively shoot 2 miles and much, much more. ;) Lest we not forget our hunter's safety course....a .22LR can be launched up to 1 mile or there abouts.

paul0660
05-20-2010, 8:51 AM
What the article doesn't say is the Brit shot at the guy 40 times before he hit him!

IIRC, they made 9 shots before killing the first guy, and killed the second with the 14th. That is two mag changes I believe. So it would seem one requirement for shooting at two miles is a STUPID TARGET THAT DOESN'T MOVE.

ar15barrels
05-20-2010, 9:04 AM
IIRC, they made 9 shots before killing the first guy, and killed the second with the 14th.
So it would seem one requirement for shooting at two miles is a STUPID TARGET THAT DOESN'T MOVE.

Indeed!
I also heard it was 9 shots for the first hit.
In other words, he "walked it in".

ar15barrels
05-20-2010, 9:07 AM
If you guys really want to learn what extreme long range shooting is about, you should start with 1000yds.
A 308 will make it to 1000yds and a little bit beyond.

Come out to some CaPRC shoots.
This saturday's shoot is actually our longrange day so we will be shooting out to 1000yds.

http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=307

thrillhouse700
05-20-2010, 9:32 AM
Aimbot + wallhacks..........

ar15barrels
05-20-2010, 9:36 AM
Aimbot + wallhacks..........

I don't think that runs on real-life 1.0 yet.

Bhobbs
05-20-2010, 9:43 AM
If you guys really want to learn what extreme long range shooting is about, you should start with 1000yds.
A 308 will make it to 1000yds and a little bit beyond.

Come out to some CaPRC shoots.
This saturday's shoot is actually our longrange day so we will be shooting out to 1000yds.

http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=307

I would go but Saturday is my dad's birthday. I don't think he would mind me missing it but my mom would kill me. Plus its his 50th and they are having a big party.

motorhead
05-20-2010, 10:05 AM
it would take...divine intervention!
the canadian guy was shooting a .50. his first shots were so far off target the targets didn't even know they were under fire.

Bhobbs
05-20-2010, 12:14 PM
it would take...divine intervention!
the canadian guy was shooting a .50. his first shots were so far off target the targets didn't even know they were under fire.

But he eventually got one to land on target.

Rob454
05-20-2010, 12:22 PM
I bet my 30-06 bullet can travel two miles. Now weather it hits the intended target or not is the real question. Hell a little bitty .22 will go up to a mile.

To do it accurately it would take some skill patience good ammo and a good gun

Juice5610
05-20-2010, 1:30 PM
If you guys really want to learn what extreme long range shooting is about, you should start with 1000yds.
A 308 will make it to 1000yds and a little bit beyond.

Come out to some CaPRC shoots.
This saturday's shoot is actually our longrange day so we will be shooting out to 1000yds.

http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=307

I'll be attending on june 27th for the newbies class

windrider
05-20-2010, 5:02 PM
Easy answer: .408 Cheytac!

http://www.cheytac.com/

+1 that thing is sexy

Connor P Price
05-21-2010, 12:25 AM
Imagine standing next to the guy that got hit by that round and wondering where the hell it came from.

savageno4
05-21-2010, 12:50 AM
That's not a rifle, that's a gun. ;)
Rifles are shoulder fired.

Yes and no. Rifles are anything that has rifling, according to some definitions. The navy refers to (or at least used to) some of its rifled guns as "rifles." I believe the 5" 36-caliber gun found on destroyers is classified as a rifle.

But yes, the M1 Abrams main gun is a smoothbore.

tommyid1
05-22-2010, 7:18 AM
M1 abrams tankm and a rediculously expensive targeting computer

CoyoteHunter555
05-22-2010, 7:33 AM
Cheytac Intervention M200 and a lot of luck for that last half mile

jvpark
05-22-2010, 8:45 AM
Lots of luck, right caliber, weapon, and doping. Did I say lots of luck? ;)



:rofl2:

themailman
05-22-2010, 9:31 AM
Practice, training, lots of range time, the right rifle and round, the knowledge and understanding of ballistics. You know, easy stuff.

Group B
05-22-2010, 11:23 AM
:rofl2:

he's not talking about using PEDs...

NeoWeird
05-22-2010, 3:12 PM
The first step to shooting 2 miles is to stop watching Mark Walhberg movies...

Hunter4life1990
05-22-2010, 6:18 PM
2 miles is easy with most missle systems haha

Donk310
05-22-2010, 6:48 PM
Don't forget the battle ship. They can shoot two miles easily.

Bhobbs
05-22-2010, 7:32 PM
Don't forget the battle ship. They can shoot two miles easily.

Let me back out my Iowa Class and get a few shots in. Anyone know where I can shoot 24 miles?

noob_tube
05-25-2010, 6:23 PM
Aimbot + wallhacks..........

:King: