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underpressure
05-14-2010, 2:25 PM
Sorry if this a dupe and for being a little long but thought it was important enough to pass on to get others opinions

"While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist
bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty
with the UN.
> OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.
> IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR
>
> > On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a
plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends
to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through
the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing
international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US
State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the
US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be
subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that
have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and
individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed
and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The
Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control
that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even
understand what has happened.
> Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not
intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new
gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary
Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control
laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth?
>
> What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates
in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the
United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition
manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and
find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm
ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US
has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to
the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.
This has happened in other countries, past and present!
>
> THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING.
> As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama
administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the
Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON
(Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would
back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks
operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The
decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department,
overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration,
which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were
better. View The Full Article Here
>
> Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015
>
> Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the
direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter!
Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!"

Cliff notes: seems to be another way the left is trying to circumvent our 2nd Amendment

POLICESTATE
05-14-2010, 2:29 PM
FUD FUD FUDDY MCFUD FUD

International treaties, even with the scumbags at the UN, do NOT supercede COTUS.

:fud:

stitchnicklas
05-14-2010, 2:40 PM
i call fud also :fud:

they can try to take my guns,but they will never succeed.i would move to arizona first,they seem to care more about citizens then washington dc does.

the_donald_
05-14-2010, 3:06 PM
http://archvillain.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/not-this-again.jpg

gun toting monkeyboy
05-14-2010, 3:07 PM
Wow, how is that for a first post? Panic, FUD, and old news all rolled into one. :troll:

stormy_clothing
05-14-2010, 3:52 PM
Wow, how is that for a first post? Panic, FUD, and old news all rolled into one. :troll:

I hate to point out a small little factoid here but what do you think happens to domestic weapons and ammo prices and supplies when HK,WOLF,FN, GLOCK and numerous other foreign companies are subject to UN rulings on importing weapons ?

Ammo and Guns, the new gold

underpressure
05-14-2010, 4:19 PM
So is everyone here saying that Clinton signing this is either not true or true but done along time ago so as to be old news? I have heard stuff about this also and didn't pay much attention to it but after reading this my understanding of what seemed to be the recent signing of the treaty seemed like a step in the wrong direction if in fact true.

Since this was my first post, does that somehow reduce the validity of my concern?

OleCuss
05-14-2010, 4:22 PM
I hate to point out a small little factoid here but what do you think happens to domestic weapons and ammo prices and supplies when HK,WOLF,FN, GLOCK and numerous other foreign companies are subject to UN rulings on importing weapons ?

Ammo and Guns, the new gold

They move more of their operations to the U.S. and the weapons are now manufactured by U.S. citizens! Win/win from my point of view - we still get the guns and we get the jobs as well!

OK, maybe it won't work that way, but I like the idea. . .

CnCFunFactory
05-14-2010, 4:32 PM
IBTL, the FUD lock that is. :43:

Fot
05-14-2010, 4:33 PM
Hey it's getting better, been about a month since the last UN treaty post.. And twice that since someone posted this..



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Drew Eckhardt
05-14-2010, 4:35 PM
Sorry if this a dupe and for being a little long but thought it was important enough to pass on to get others opinions


1. Treaties don't happen until 2/3 of the Senate votes to ratify them. That hasn't happened.

2. The treaty needs to be written before the Senate votes. They're trying to make that happen in time for the 2012 UN conference.

Lulfas
05-14-2010, 4:41 PM
1. Treaties don't happen until 2/3 of the Senate votes to ratify them. That hasn't happened.

2. The treaty needs to be written before the Senate votes. They're trying to make that happen in time for the 2012 UN conference.

It won't even get that far. From the Reuters article

"Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.

Arms exporters China, Russia and Israel abstained last year in a U.N. vote on the issue.

Which of those nations do you think are going to (sorry for the pun) shoot their economy in the foot by hurting their gun sales? You think there isn't 1 country out of the hundred+ who won't go with it?

OleCuss
05-14-2010, 4:56 PM
Link to the Wikipedia article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty

I agree that it isn't likely to happen even in 2012.

CHS
05-14-2010, 5:03 PM
Old news. FUD. Locked.