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Vinnie
05-13-2010, 9:05 PM
OK...
Ignore the price,
Ignore the status symbol...

I'm looking at 3" automatic for CCW, 9mm for cheap range action.

* best dependability/reliability
* will always go BANG when you pull the trigger
* can take thousands of rounds and still feel tight and new

I already have a CZ75 SP-01 (my first gun) and am very, very happy with it. Standing unsupported at 21 ft. I can consistently empty a 10-round mag at 1 shot per second into a hand-sized grouping, so I am partial to the CZ.

With that said, I seem to have caught the 1911 bug without even owning a 1911. I will probably end up with a full size (or even 6”) .45 1911 in the future, but that’s another issue.

For now, I am trying to decide which of these 3 would be the best 9mm 3” CCW type pistol:

STI LS9
http://www.stiguns.com/guns/LS/LS.php

http://www.stiguns.com/guns/LS/images/LS_Main.jpg


Spriongfield EMP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=110
http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/images/PI9240LP.GIF


CZ 2075 RAMI
http://www.impactguns.com/store/806703017549.html
http://www.pishtov.com/CZ/PicCZ_2075.jpg

again… ignore the price.. ignore the status symbol...

YOUR THOUGHTS?

Thanks,
Vinnie


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GoodEyeSniper
05-13-2010, 9:20 PM
I absolutely love the RAMI, and CZs in general. I think the 1911 compacts might be thinner though?? I can't think off hand how thick that little guy was. I have no experience actually shooting any of them, though.

Which CZ are you looking at? Polymer or alloy frame? Decocker or manual safety?

Basically I have nothing to offer you of value, sorry :P

speedracer
05-13-2010, 9:32 PM
I can't speak for the CZ as I have not had/fired 1 yet. The STI LS9 is very thin, very heavy for it's size. The safety when applied does not lock the slide in battery. I upgraded my sights with Heinie straight 8 and a EB grip safety, EB thumb safety. Shoots nice. I really like the EMP, had mine checkered, got rid of the ambi's, had 3 mags cut down/rewelded for flush fit, smoothed out the triggger and some nice Davidson grips. I'd like to see the EMP have a 3.5"-4" barrel and it would be the ticket. Lots of nice upgrade parts for the EMP are out now.

Vinnie
05-13-2010, 9:39 PM
Which CZ are you looking at? Polymer or alloy frame? Decocker or manual safety?

Prefer alloy Frame, and no real preference on decocker vs safety... (Good thing I'm not Superstitious... your reply to me was #666 )

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GoodEyeSniper
05-13-2010, 9:53 PM
I've only handled the Alloy frame, felt like any other CZ as soon as I held it. And that is: GREAT. I can't get over how well a CZ fits in my hand. And compared to my compact .40, the thing was nice and light (the compact has the weight of a full size, it seems)

No preference on decocker vs safety? Seems to be a big thing for most people. I originally leaned towards manual safety, but as I've shot more, I still don't know if I could trust myself to manipulate the safety on a stressful draw and shoot situation. But since I can't actually carry, it's no big deal right now, and the manual safety is fine for my bedside gun.

The EMP also felt very nice in hand, did not get a chance to handle them together though. Two seperate stores.

edit: and good eye on the post # bit, I wouldn't take it to heart if I were you :TFH:

Bug Splat
05-13-2010, 10:37 PM
Never handled the STI but I would go with the CZ. It feels great in the hand and points well. CZ's are very accurate and reliable pistols. I would take a CZ over other pistols twice the price.

Tim0s002
05-13-2010, 11:42 PM
ive only had experience with the emp of the 3 listed.

fits real nice on my medium sized hands.
thin and fairly light so good for ccw
pretty accurate (i shoot it at 7 yrds)
nice recoil feel and smooth shooter
fit and finish is real nice as well.

Saym14
05-13-2010, 11:52 PM
EMP

9mmepiphany
05-14-2010, 12:11 AM
of the three you've listed, the EMP is the most compact and lightest. it offers outstanding accuracy and workmanship. here's a little writeup i did on mine:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=271236

Notblake
05-14-2010, 12:18 AM
CZ!

DannyZRC
05-14-2010, 12:54 AM
Of the 3 you mentioned: EMP if you are compelled to carry C&L, CZ otherwise.

my $.02 : P2000SK w/ LEM trigger if you can swing it, or XD9 3" if you can't.

Also fairly sure the STI isn't on the roster, fwiw.

mala in se
05-14-2010, 1:04 AM
i own a Kahr MK9, and if you're looking for a subcompact CCW, i think it is perfect. i like the feel of the EMP as well. i almost bought it, but passed as i could not justify buying a $1000 compact pistol. anyway, at least handle the MK9, it's solid in weight, has a very smooth trigger, and it shoots like a full size.

MossbergMan
05-14-2010, 8:16 AM
I'm and EMP owner/operator/carrier. I love the gun and have recommended it to many clients that have bought them and now carry themas well.
You have so many choices. The Kahr is a good choice as is the Para Carry 9. The STI is a little "blocky" for my liking and I have no qualms about carrying Cocked and Locked Condition One firearms. I have no experience with the CZ's so I will reserve opinion there.
Hard to make a "bad" choice with the guns recommended in the posts. All will conceal well and if it turns out you don't like your choice after all, squirrel it away and get another one.
I know, not many indoor ranges stock those guns for rent, but if you can, try before you buy. Keep us posted as to your final choice and how you like it.

1911Operator
05-14-2010, 8:33 AM
EMP!!!!!! if you can afford it, if not get the CZ!

theneko
05-14-2010, 12:09 PM
Another vote for EMP. I have no experience with the other two but I have 2 EMPs and I can say they are sweet. It is light and thin and easy to carry every day.

There is one issue to be aware of. Some people have had jamming issues with EMPs - in my case both EMPs jammed with JHP ammo. I think the ramp is just too steep and some ammo will ramp drive straight into it.

This is not acceptable in a carry gun so I sent one of them back to Springfield and they fixed it. Now it feeds anything and everything. :D So you may need to be patient with it but it's worth it in my opinion. I have never dealt with the other companies but Springfield has great cuystomer service. They will make it right.

dfletcher
05-14-2010, 2:35 PM
I have the EMP, had to send it back for primer flow problems but after that it's been clear sailing. Well made gun, I did replace the ambi safety with a single sided Nighthhawk - higher paddle, finish matches. I also had the floorplate flush fitted

But, for carry I think it comes in 2nd to the Kahr PM9. I have the Mk9 version but the PM version is lighter and I think thinner. The EMP has looks and high quality, but I have to say the DA Kahr PM9 beats it, I think.

Kelvrick
05-14-2010, 2:37 PM
I can't speak for the CZ as I have not had/fired 1 yet. The STI LS9 is very thin, very heavy for it's size. The safety when applied does not lock the slide in battery. I upgraded my sights with Heinie straight 8 and a EB grip safety, EB thumb safety. Shoots nice. I really like the EMP, had mine checkered, got rid of the ambi's, had 3 mags cut down/rewelded for flush fit, smoothed out the triggger and some nice Davidson grips. I'd like to see the EMP have a 3.5"-4" barrel and it would be the ticket. Lots of nice upgrade parts for the EMP are out now.

I'd love to see that. IF the list would just go away, I'm jonesing for an STI guardian.

gunsmithcats
05-14-2010, 8:00 PM
I have 1911s out the *** and love them. For ur solution though take a long hard look at hk p7m8

Vinnie
05-14-2010, 8:54 PM
I have 1911s out the *** and love them. For ur solution though take a long hard look at hk p7m8


P7M8... the Lemon Squeezer?

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/ArkinDomino/P7/IMG_0037.jpg:rolleyes:

Tony.
05-15-2010, 12:18 AM
OK...
Ignore the price,
Ignore the status symbol...

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Glock 26