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valkylrie
05-06-2010, 4:59 PM
Am I 100% correct that the under california law it is acceptable for my brother to transfer a pistol to my father and then my father turn around and transfer it to me?

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transferring_Firearms_Among_Some_Family_Members

loather
05-06-2010, 5:43 PM
Yes. All that would be needed is a voluntary registration form from your dad once he takes possession of it, then one from you when you take possession of it.

ETA: While the voluntary registration form says voluntary on it, it's actually mandatory. Don't let the name fool you.

Librarian
05-06-2010, 6:10 PM
Yes. All that would be needed is a voluntary registration form from your dad once he takes possession of it, then one from you when you take possession of it.

ETA: While the voluntary registration form says voluntary on it, it's actually mandatory. Don't let the name fool you.

Not the VOLREG, but the OPLAW (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf) form for intrafamilial transfer.

paul0660
05-06-2010, 6:40 PM
and the two recipients need a HSC.

valkylrie
05-07-2010, 10:16 AM
Would a "Step-Father" qualify?

Librarian
05-07-2010, 10:37 AM
Would a "Step-Father" qualify?

I don't recall that that relationship is settled; I believe the general opinion is 'yes, if formally adopted'.

Fate
05-07-2010, 4:36 PM
If it's going to cross state lines during the process, you've got to use a FFL to do it.

GunDog
05-07-2010, 7:12 PM
Is the transfer of a rifle (say an M1A) from my brother to me then legal without going through an FFL if we're both residents of California?

Fate
05-07-2010, 7:21 PM
Is the transfer of a rifle (say an M1A) from my brother to me then legal without going through an FFL if we're both residents of California?

No. Intrafamilial transfer exemptions only apply parent/grandparent to child or child to parent/grandparent.

Mssr. Eleganté
05-07-2010, 7:51 PM
Am I 100% correct that the under california law it is acceptable for my brother to transfer a pistol to my father and then my father turn around and transfer it to me?

Bouncing a brother to brother handgun transfer off of your parent is illegal if you are only doing it to avoid a PPT at a dealer. If your brother wants to give a handgun to his parent, that is perfectly legal. If your parent later wants to give that handgun to you, that is also perfectly legal. But if your brother gives a handgun to his parent for the purpose of that parent giving the handgun to you, then everbody involved has committed a crime under California law.

CPC §12072(a)

(4) No person, corporation, or dealer shall sell, loan, or transfer a firearm to any person whom he or she knows or has cause to believe is not the actual purchaser or transferee of the firearm, or to any person who is not the person actually being loaned the firearm, if the person, corporation, or dealer has either of the following:
(A) Knowledge that the firearm is to be subsequently loaned, sold, or transferred to avoid the provisions of subdivision (c) or (d).
(B) Knowledge that the firearm is to be subsequently loaned, sold, or transferred to avoid the requirements of any exemption to the provisions of subdivision (c) or (d).
(5) No person, corporation, or dealer shall acquire a firearm for the purpose of selling, transferring, or loaning the firearm, if the person, corporation, or dealer has either of the following:
(A) In the case of a dealer, intent to violate subdivision (b) or (c).
(B) In any other case, intent to avoid either of the following:
(i) The provisions of subdivision (d).
(ii) The requirements of any exemption to the provisions of subdivision (d).

For handguns it is cheaper to do a PPT through a Dealer anyway. Two Op-Law forms will cost $38 while a PPT only costs $35. And if your father doesn't yet have an HSC then that will be another $25.

Librarian
05-07-2010, 7:55 PM
Is the transfer of a rifle (say an M1A) from my brother to me then legal without going through an FFL if we're both residents of California?

As Fate said, no.

See the wiki articles Intrafamilial (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transferring_Firearms_Among_Some_Family_Members) and Interstate (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transferring_firearms_Interstate)