View Full Version : Arisaka Trainer Rifle- Is it a firearm?

05-05-2010, 9:04 AM
OK Calgunners, here is the deal.

My uncle has this Arisaka trainer rifle (https://pullnshoot25.sugarsync.com/albums/thumb/332033_478327) rusting in his basement and I want to snag it. Besides saving a piece of history, I have a feeling that this would be a good way to (potentially) get a non-firearm demonstration piece for some of my future events.

Details on this gun...

-Designed to only fire blanks
-Cheap pot-metal receiver with no serial number
-Will blow up if a real round is used.
-This is NOT a retired Arisaka that was made into a trainers rifle, this is a purpose-built blank firing gun.

The big question is whether or not this falls under the definition of a "firearm" according to Federal and California law.

Got answers? :)

05-05-2010, 9:06 AM
linky no worky

05-05-2010, 9:09 AM

05-05-2010, 9:15 AM
How does it only fire blanks? Would the primer and/or striker have to be in a different spot?

05-05-2010, 9:24 AM
Put a real round in it and the bolt will fly back into your head. It is basically a pot steel receiver.

05-05-2010, 9:26 AM
See Quiet's post here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-192670.html).

05-05-2010, 9:31 AM
OK, so this is California PC 12001(b)

As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to
be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel a
projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion.

-Not a rifle since it has no rifling.
-Was barely designed to even shoot blanks, which don't have a projectile.

Federal definition

(3) The term "firearm" means

(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;

-I guess that theoretically it could fire a real cartridge but the bolt in your head would suck.

05-05-2010, 9:32 AM
See Quiet's post here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-192670.html).


This is AWESOME.

05-05-2010, 12:29 PM
Nate, you realize I'm insanely jealous of you right? *shakes fist*

05-05-2010, 1:11 PM
-I guess that theoretically it could fire a real cartridge but the bolt in your head would suck.

They really don't care about that. If it could discharge, or is easlier converted to fire a single round (even if it KBs), I would consider it a firearm per the Federal definition.