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PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 4:31 PM
Hey, a friend of mine going to UCSD is being semi-stalked by some one right now. I told her to go to the police and to look at getting a restraining order, is there anything else she can do while on campus? I know that she cant CC on the grounds, but other than that? :(

EDIT: I really didnt know where to put this...this is the legal forum, but its not really gun related, feel free to move it admins.

blacklisted
03-02-2006, 4:34 PM
Hey, a friend of mine going to UCSD is being semi-stalked by some one right now. I told her to go to the police and to look at getting a restraining order, is there anything else she can do while on campus? I know that she cant CC on the grounds, but other than that? :(

EDIT: I really didnt know where to put this...this is the legal forum, but its not really gun related, feel free to move it admins.

Pepper spray and/or a folding knife.

sszeto
03-02-2006, 4:39 PM
Taser. Best of all, you don't need a CCW to carry.

FreedomIsNotFree
03-02-2006, 4:52 PM
She needs to hire somebody big and mean to have a "talk" with the stalker...works everytime.

caliar15
03-02-2006, 4:53 PM
Taser. Best of all, you don't need a CCW to carry.
Naw, lets em get to close. Now a taser and pepper spray would be ideal.

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 4:56 PM
She needs to hire somebody big and mean to have a "talk" with the stalker...works everytime.

See, I would do that, but I am 7 hours away :(

bdcc11
03-02-2006, 4:59 PM
When I got my CCW in CA about 7 years ago the state law said you were exept from the no gun on a school campus law. I would never push the subject and if I needed to carry on a campus I would check with the campus authorities 1st. I never needed to so I don't know how they would react.

I haven't had a CCW now for about 2 years and I don't know if the law has changed concerning where you can't carry. May be worth checking into.

rkt88edmo
03-02-2006, 5:04 PM
Awareness, buddy system, documentation :confused:

HEUER
03-02-2006, 5:12 PM
Sofball bat. On a college campus it does not seem out of place. If anyone asks she is practicing for intermurals.

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 5:22 PM
Ok, thx for the info guys. Ill look into the CC situation. And Ill tell her to get a knife or a bat to carry around.

bdcc11
03-02-2006, 5:31 PM
Careful about knives. Even with a CCW in CA you still are commiting a felony if you have a concealed knife with a longer than 3" blade or double sided. I think it is 3". Stupid law makers. They trusted me with a concealed fire arm but wouldn't trust me with a big knife.

visualnewbie
03-02-2006, 5:38 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong... but I believe the 3" blade or longer can't be concealed if it's a fixed blade. It basically has to be open carry. And for folders, no size limit for conceal carry. Aagin...I may be wrong.

jtyoshi
03-02-2006, 5:59 PM
Knife / pepper seem more like false securities.
If she truly fears for her life... then perhaps a tazer/ tazer gun...
But some how if its a she and the guy is big... the knife or pepper probably wouldnt be a strong enough deturant. Any time u use a weapon like a knife, should be prepared to go all the way with it. I say false security because unless she willing to KILL with it... it may just up the level of seriousnesss.
Pepper spray hurts like hell but wont stop him instantously and make provoke him more. Just my 2 cents...

I vote for the TAZER gun if she really needs to carry at all.
Tazer the guy... he goes down lol

If she TRULY feels this guy is going to KILL her...
By TRULY I mean motive, intent, oppurtunity and mentallity
I would carry because my life is worth more than jail time...
But she has to weigh how much of a threat the person really is.

Once again... the guys prolly a perv and needs to be tazered if he gets to aggressive.

ALT route:
In all honesty... she has no one else to talk some common sense to this guy?
I think she should think of diplomatic ways before hand. IE a friend at UCSD. Actually I have a free freinds down there so send me a PM if she really needs it. ExGF went... UCSD.. its only a hour drive... or a 35min if your "motivated" lol

ohsmily
03-02-2006, 6:07 PM
I graduated from UCSD in 2004 and my fiance still attends. It is a pretty safe campus...but, pepper spray or a stun gun (or MAYBE a TASER) are the best thing for the situation. Also, she can get an escort anywhere on campus till 1AM (and later on the weekends) by a CSO (community service officer). They have radios, pepper spray and flashlights (won't stop a determined nut, but it adds an extra layer of protection and will deter most assailants).

If you have any specific questions about the campus and security, feel free to PM me.

jtyoshi
03-02-2006, 6:09 PM
+1 for usage of the bike riding CSO's
The 2nd person there should be a stronger deturant than any CONCEALED weapon could be

ohsmily
03-02-2006, 6:12 PM
Knife / pepper seem more like false securities.
But some how if its a she and the guy is big... the knife or pepper probably wouldnt be a strong enough deturant. Pepper spray hurts like hell but wont stop him instantously and make provoke him more. Just my 2 cents...


If you have ever been sprayed with pepper spray, you would agree to its effectiveness. It is VERY effective unless someone is EXTREMELY influenced by hard drugs. Pepper spray is THE BEST level of security for someone who can't or won't get the training to effectively use a firearm and/or can't get a CCW.

TASERS (even the very newest generation that is a little smaller) are kind of big to be carrying around AND, if you fire and miss, you are sh-t out of luck. You won't be able to load another cartridge to the front. With pepper spray you can continue spraying AND even a stun gun is intimidating b/c of the noise and light it produces and the fact that you can keep activating it if you are attacked.

Anyway, she will not be able to get a permit to carry a gun, even if she wanted to b/c she can't carry on campus.

artherd
03-02-2006, 6:17 PM
You, in the bushes, with a Precision scoped rifle in 7.62x51mm, ideally around 100feet standoff distance for 'pick a fingernail' accuracy.

Use of lethal force in CA is legal to defend you or another against severe bodily harm, or death.

In all seriousness, if this guy is a real threat, she needs to take some SD classes. All the tools in the world won't help her if she folds/panics/cries under pressure.

LOW2000
03-02-2006, 6:17 PM
I'm surprised the UCSD cops aren't all over this. As overzealous as they are about the vehicle code there, I would imagine they would have a field day with a stalker.

qualityrockola
03-02-2006, 6:18 PM
pepper spray is so cheap and it is pretty potent stuff. if you can get it on someones face, they certainly wont be commiting any rape and will probably stop any violent attack.

Tazers are expensive, theyre like $1000 +/-. not always an option for a college student. if it is an extremely serious threat it might be worth it. another thing to think of is you have to make a hit on the first try with the tazer. if you dont, youre SOL and you may have further provoked someone with nothing to show for it. pepper spray is a stream that can be aimed and brought on target. Just having it in the air in the general area is pretty uncomforatable.

grammaton76
03-02-2006, 6:22 PM
Tazers are expensive, theyre like $1000 +/-. not always an option for a college student.

Not if you get yourself one of the previous generation of air tasers. I've seen M18 tasers (as opposed to the new slimline ones) available for $350.

badwolf
03-02-2006, 6:24 PM
I graduated over ten years ago, but...

1) Ditto on talking to campus police
2) Do they still have those yellow jacket "security" students you can call to request that they walk with you from place to place?
3) Wasn't there some california law that says if you have a restraining order out on someone you can carry if you fear they are still stalking you? Can your friend get a restraining order on the stalker?

Man, I remember a friend of mine who dared to write conservative viewpoints in the school paper got violent death threats all the time and applied for a permit, they told him unless he was actually attacked, they wouldn't even consider it.

We need shall -issue here in CA...I hope Jim March can come through on making THAT happen! :-) (Thanks for all your efforts Jim!)

ldivinag
03-02-2006, 6:34 PM
just about every campus has an "escort" system (no... not that escort).

i work for a CSU campus. the campus cops (dont call them rent-a-cops) will give rides for people from campus buildings to their cars (at least they used to).

ask your friend if UCSD has something like that.

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 6:46 PM
thanks for the input guys. I dont think it is at the Tazer/me in the bushes with a .308 and a scope level.

jtyoshi
03-02-2006, 7:18 PM
Ha my persection of a tazer is wrong....
She could spend 20-100$ on a hand held Stungun

Yute
03-02-2006, 7:59 PM
Good advice on the cops - definately get them involved. Tell her to have a buddy with her at all times if possible.

I know a lot of people here are jumping on the equipment bandwagon here, but if this lady does not have any training in using a knife, pepper spray, taser, bat, etc, it could be as dangerous to her if she was unarmed. A false sense of security is bad at best, deadly at the worst. For instance she pulls out her knife thinking it will defend her from the stalker - stalker disarms her and uses her own knife against her or pulling out a knife could unnecessarily escalate the situation...

Tell her to take a self defense training course. Even a basic self defense class with nothing more than the fundamentals of punching kicking and knowing when to run away is better than just handing her a knife. If nothing else it can hone the mindset of your friend to be willing to not give up. But if she is going to be getting a weapon she HAS to know how to use it.

IMHO knife training takes a lot of skill and training. It's not as easy as oh i'm going to unfold this knife and stab him. I would bet good money that under stress, a beginner would not be able to use a folding knife effectively. Taser use takes a lot of training as well. There are nuances with the taser - ie where you can or cannot shoot, the spread pattern, not to mention if the weapon fails you will probably be too close to the person to do anything but close with and attack them (assuming this is a new taser - even they can be used as contact weapons) - takes training!. Luckily, at least with the new x26 tasers, they come with a training certificate where you can take a class with a taser instructor for free. Even for pepper spray which is "easy" to use I would get a dummy spray for her to get familar with. They have to be familar not only with the device itself but also the spary pattern.

Again, having the equipment is one thing. Knowing how to use it and when is another. Good luck to your friend, hope she gets this figured out asap!.

metalhead357
03-02-2006, 8:08 PM
I'll second what at least one other poster already has said. The CCW classes I attended all stated that its Legal to CCW on school grounds. the Relevant PC code that bans it also has the "exceptions" clauses wherein a CCW'r is found.


Why not have her make friends with the football team real fast? Bet they'd LOVE to have a "chat" with this guy;)

taloft
03-02-2006, 8:59 PM
Tell her to purchase a camera. An inexpensive digital model with a time and date stamp is ideal. Then every time she sees the joker stalking she can take his picture. After a few snaps, she will either have scared the loser off or she will have enough evidence to possibly get him banished from campus.
Local campus rapes have made this a real touchy subject with campus administrators in San Diego.

UCSD also has a Student Safety Awareness & Sexual Assault Resource Center. They can be reached at SARC: (858) 534-5793 or by going to their website http://studentsafety.ucsd.edu/index.asp

They have a ton of advice, and resourses. They can set her up with R.A.D. (Rape Agression Defense) training. Restraining order is good if she has the personal info. on this person. It won't protect her but, it will make sure that he gets the shaft if caught doing something stupid. I hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Taloft

Jicko
03-02-2006, 9:08 PM
One caution on pepperspray tho.... if the user is not aware of the "wind" situation, the sprayer may as well be affected as the target.... and in some unfortunate situation... the sprayer may be affected more so than the target.... so... use it wisely...

And, I agree with most of other poster... ask her to have friends escorting her to most places... also, try to document the stalking activites by taking pictures, as well as recording the incidents....

mblat
03-02-2006, 9:28 PM
First - make her talk to cops and make sure that persons who stalks he KNOWS that she did.
Second - no knifes. Knifes are for people with very strong nerves and at least some training. Otherwise it just creates sense of security that doesn't exist. As deadly as knife can be in trained hands as useless they are in hands of untrained, nervous person.
Third – try to hire big ugly guy to “talk” to the stalker.
Forth - make her to take self-defenc class. She can't expect to learn how to win the fight in couple lessons, but she can be tough what to do and what not.

I’ll take tazer over paper spray, but if money is the issue – papers pray will do. If she truly scared for her life or for being raped – 5 shot revolvers are small and easily concealable. Better be out of school than dead.

ohsmily
03-02-2006, 11:06 PM
Why not have her make friends with the football team real fast? Bet they'd LOVE to have a "chat" with this guy;)


The above would be a good idea EXCEPT for the fact that UCSD does NOT have a football team.

And I like how everyone is asking if there is an escort system or other program at UCSD when I already stated (on page 2) that CSO's (Community Service Officers) escort students if they call till 1AM on weekdays and later on weekends....

Hey...I have an idea...doesn't UCSD have a campus escort system or something...oh wait...I have an idea!! doesn't UCSD have a campus escort system or something?

metalhead357
03-02-2006, 11:15 PM
The above would be a good idea EXCEPT for the fact that UCSD does NOT have a football team.



Whoops:rolleyes: that whatcha get for talking to a non football guy! But wait a sec what college DOESNT have a football team (Beside this one!- Ouch!).

But hey...while I'm thinking about it- Do they have an escort thingy there? Not for walking people to thier cars- I mean for the loney guy that's stalking her? Maybe a "diversion" is all that's needed:D As the other poster may be right- this guy might just be hearbroken and is/was trying an honest attempt at reconcilliation that has been *totally* taken the wrong way by this girl.......(and yes....then again, maybe not) I'd still have her errrrrrr on the side of caution.

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 11:26 PM
ok, little update guys. just got off the phone with her, and gave her every ones best wishes, and also let her know that if this guy needed a talking to, that there were people I could talk to about that. She decided that the protection she feels like right now is a couple of guys on the water polo team. And I got her to promise to let me kniow ASAP if this situation gets any worse. She doesnt think it will, but Im not so sure, so keep on call guys.

Oh, and I finally got the semi-full situation report. It doesnt seem like it is going to be going to anything needing a court, seems like it is a stalker thats obsessed with her. (And I will admit, shes pretty good looking and a great person in general).

And she says thanks for the offers of help and the best wishes.

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 11:28 PM
As the other poster may be right- this guy might just be hearbroken and is/was trying an honest attempt at reconcilliation that has been *totally* taken the wrong way by this girl.......(and yes....then again, maybe not) I'd still have her errrrrrr on the side of caution.


Def not a heart broken guy looking for reconcilliation. (Hell, if anything, im the one thats heartborken about her being in SD :o ). She never even knew about this guy untill today.

rkt88edmo
03-02-2006, 11:30 PM
^- Former khaki-polyester-wearing-Cal-CSO :p

If she does use the service consistently once or twice a night the CSOs will generally get to know her pretty quick, and they may also be helpful for finding a contact in UCPD since (at Berkeley at least) they work closely with the officers.

accordingtoome
03-02-2006, 11:50 PM
She needs to hire somebody big and mean to have a "talk" with the stalker...works everytime.
if shes hot i'll do it. :D

PanzerAce
03-03-2006, 12:01 AM
well....we did agree awhile ago that any females mentioned with guns had to have pictures posted....I havent gotten a chance to take her to the range yet, so no pics for you guys for awhile. (sucks for you guys :D)

kantstudien
03-03-2006, 1:05 AM
Water-polo guys? They are usually skinny homos. Give me her number, I'll help her out. ;)

PanzerAce
03-03-2006, 1:16 AM
Water-polo guys? They are usually skinny homos. Give me her number, I'll help her out. ;)

hey, I played polo in HS :D. And unless you have gone through the training regime that they go through, dont slam them eh? :cool:

and if need be, I can always jack a friends car and get down there myself

berto
03-03-2006, 2:26 AM
I graduated from UCSD 5 years ago. The campus cops and escorts are a great idea. Your friend should talk to the Office of Sexual Harassment Prevention and Policy as mentioned by someone earlier. OSHPP supports UCSD’s Principles of Community and our mission reflects the University's commitment to…

"creating and maintaining a community in which all persons who participate in university programs and activities can work together in an atmosphere free of all forms of harassment, exploitation, or intimidation, including sexual harassment."

Call Lori Chamberlain Director/Title IX Coordinator at (858) 534-8297. I can tell you from personal experience that she will make sure the situation is resolved.

jdberger
03-03-2006, 7:23 PM
Water-polo guys? They are usually skinny homos. Give me her number, I'll help her out. ;)

Always there with the witty comment?:rolleyes:

dpg
03-04-2006, 6:49 PM
I used to be a CSO when I attended UCSD a few years ago. I know they've already been mentioned, but I just wanted to add that this is right up their alley. They work closely with the police department there. They carry radios and OC. They have their own dispatcher that's literally within talking distance of the police dispatcher. Having one of them around is way faster than any 911 call. If anything happens that even resembles trouble, they'll have cops all over the place in less than a minute (in my experience). If your friend called them 5 times a day for an escort, everywhere she goes on campus, then they would have absolutely no problem with it. They get judged based on how many escorts they provide in a night, so you're really doing them a favor so they don't have to beg random people for escorts. Anyways, just my two cents.

artherd
03-05-2006, 2:10 AM
I'm surprised the UCSD cops aren't all over this. As overzealous as they are about the vehicle code there, I would imagine they would have a field day with a stalker.
stalkers don't make PDs any money.


Seriously though, she probally needs to get her head on straight and use the system available now. CSOs, Campus Police, etc. Carry pepper spray, and frankly I'd pack illegally if I genuinely believed my life to be in danger.

artherd
03-05-2006, 2:12 AM
thanks for the input guys. I dont think it is at the Tazer/me in the bushes with a .308 and a scope level.
Use a .338 mag. Do the job right ;D

artherd
03-05-2006, 2:16 AM
pepper spray is so cheap and it is pretty potent stuff. if you can get it on someones face, they certainly wont be commiting any rape and will probably stop any violent attack.

99 times out of 100 yes. However I know of a girl who emptied an entire can of OC into a perp's face, and only slowed him about 5 paces. She pulled a glock out of her purse (...) and was taking up slack on the trigger when he finally turned and fled.

Oh she sprayed him in the driveway and he still chased her all the way inside her apartment... Frankly I think she'd be dead without that pistol.

PanzerAce
03-05-2006, 3:26 AM
Use a .338 mag. Do the job right ;D

Psh, considering that I dont have either, I think I would use the 6.5 Grendel that I am building for one of my ARs.

And last update on this (I hope): Seems that the situation has resolved itself, and it appears that her hanging out with several large guys for a few days has resolved the problem. :cool:

NRAhighpowershooter
03-05-2006, 4:36 PM
I'll be MORE than happy to take time out to travel and escort the nice your lady around campus......
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid18/pa5b6bddb604d10c192f34d91f7b8f86d/fdcbbab8.jpg

anotherted
03-05-2006, 5:17 PM
HPS,

You might stick out a bit in La Jolla.

NRAhighpowershooter
03-06-2006, 10:56 AM
HPS,

You might stick out a bit in La Jolla.


don't matter to me.. I'm one that doesn't cowtow to the PC principle... :cool:

phish
03-06-2006, 11:15 AM
I always get a kick out of HPS' Harry Humphries impersonation. :D

wksun88
03-27-2007, 9:43 AM
wow, I never knew so many people on this forum went to UCSD. Cool :P
I always thought that at UCSD, people were anti gun freaks. I go there too btw.

Hanniballs
03-27-2007, 9:45 AM
update?

biff
03-27-2007, 10:24 AM
wow, I never knew so many people on this forum went to UCSD. Cool :P
I always thought that at UCSD, people were anti gun freaks. I go there too btw.

I go there too! (to work)

PanzerAce
03-27-2007, 10:38 AM
update?

everything is fine these days.

eje
03-27-2007, 11:36 AM
UCSD '90 here!! Muir College. :p

Back in 1985 when I was living in Tioga Hall the Muir resident dean's (Pat Danlyshyn Adams?) husband was a shooter, talked about his gun collection all the time. They lived in the Tioga Hall penthouse, LOL. Guy was a dufus, his wife definitely wore the pants in that family!!:D

pnkssbtz
03-27-2007, 12:11 PM
Careful about knives. Even with a CCW in CA you still are commiting a felony if you have a concealed knife with a longer than 3" blade or double sided. I think it is 3". Stupid law makers. They trusted me with a concealed fire arm but wouldn't trust me with a big knife.

Just to clarify the information...

With regard to carrying on government property...
171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.
(2) Any deadly weapon described in Section 653k or 12020.
(3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the
blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded
position by the use of one or two hands.
(4) Any unauthorized tear gas weapon.
(5) Any taser or stun gun, as defined in Section 244.5.
(6) Any instrument that expels a metallic projectile, such as a BB
or pellet, through the force of air pressure, CO2 pressure, or
spring action, or any spot marker gun or paint gun.
...


And concealed carry laws regarding knives:
12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any
of the following is punishable by imprisonment in
a county jail not exceeding one year or in the
state prison:
(a)(4) Carries concealed upon his or her person any
dirk or dagger.
(c)(24) As used in this section, a
"dirk" or "dagger" means a knife or other
instrument with or without a handguard that is
capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that
may inflict great bodily injury or death.
A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that
is not prohibited by Section 653k [switchblade], or
a pocketknife is capable of ready use as a stabbing
weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or
death only if the blade of the knife is exposed
and locked into position.
(d) Knives carried in sheaths which are worn openly
suspended from the waist of the wearer are not
concealed within the meaning of this section.


Glad to hear she is ok, also pics please =P

donger
03-27-2007, 12:15 PM
UCSD '90 here!! Muir College. :p

Back in 1985 when I was living in Tioga Hall the Muir resident dean's (Pat Danlyshyn Adams?) husband was a shooter, talked about his gun collection all the time. They lived in the Tioga Hall penthouse, LOL. Guy was a dufus, his wife definitely wore the pants in that family!!:D

Dude, I remember Pat DA. She put me on probation for having a party with booze in my dorm room. I didn't know her husband was a shooter, but you're right, Pat definitely wore the pants in the family.

UCSD, Muir College class of 1996.

Satex
03-27-2007, 12:19 PM
She decided that the protection she feels like right now is a couple of guys on the water polo team. And I got her to promise to let me kniow ASAP if this situation gets any worse. She doesnt think it will, but Im not so sure, so keep on call guys.

Oh, and I finally got the semi-full situation report. It doesnt seem like it is going to be going to anything needing a court, seems like it is a stalker thats obsessed with her. (And I will admit, shes pretty good looking and a great person in general).


WRONG!!!
Someone very close to me was stalked, and he made an attempt on her life, and then mocked the legal system for three years.
Stalker psychology is very complex. Tell her to go online and research it. She will immediately recognize patterns. Stalkers can disappear for a while, at which point the victim will think "that is won't get any worst" until he shows up out of no where and tries to kill her. Two things to keep in mind: stalkers think they are the victims, and stalkers will often resort to "if I can't have you, no one else will have you". Things have the potential of getting very ugly.

Ask her to file for a restraining order. Inform the campus PD but don't expect any help. Campus PD is only there to cover the administration's rear. While self defense training may or may not be appropriate, learning to remain with company and avoiding getting isolated is probably the best way to avoid harm. Also tell her to keep a detailed log of EVERY contact: call, email, letter, seeing him and so on.

And yes, San Diego Sheriff laughted at the person I know when she tried to apply for CCW. I guess he will issue her one once she is in a body bag. I really hope the SD sheriff finds himself alone in his HQ. Just this last month 25 officers quit.

schizrade2
03-27-2007, 12:31 PM
don't matter to me.. I'm one that doesn't cowtow to the PC principle... :cool:
You don't say?

:p

xenophobe
03-27-2007, 12:32 PM
Tell her to purchase a camera. An inexpensive digital model with a time and date stamp is ideal. Then every time she sees the joker stalking she can take his picture. After a few snaps, she will either have scared the loser off or she will have enough evidence to possibly get him banished from campus.

You beat me to it. A BIG +1 to all of the above, and everything else you said.

Have her take pictures, and also provide those pictures to campus and local police. If he actually talks to her from time to time, have her inform him that the campus police, local sheriff and her parents all have copies of your pictures in case he gets any ideas... However don't have her distribute the pictures too freely without legal consultation.

Pepper spray is great, and even though you might want to check the legality of having a taser on campus, it's the most effective self defense weapon.

Perhaps see if she has any friends on campus who is willing to follow him, find out who his friends are, and inform them of your friend's concerns.

No matter what, this is pretty serious. A restraining order should be the first step including all of the above, because a RO alone won't do much, but notifying the local authorities and campus police who admittedly may not pay much attention to it, will at least have knowledge of it in case there are any confrontations. The main source of reassurance will have to be whatever protection she can keep with her though.

Anyways, I'm sorry to hear about that and hope the problem goes away... I've had a number of friends and a couple of GF's that were stalked, as well as being stalked by a crazy ex once, and it really does change your whole perspective, not being able to do much without having to think/worry about who might be after you. :(

xenophobe
03-27-2007, 12:35 PM
Stalker psychology is very complex. Tell her to go online and research it. She will immediately recognize patterns. Stalkers can disappear for a while, at which point the victim will think "that is won't get any worst" until he shows up out of no where and tries to kill her. Two things to keep in mind: stalkers think they are the victims, and stalkers will often resort to "if I can't have you, no one else will have you". Things have the potential of getting very ugly.

Absolutely. The scariest thing is, you can never know how far someone may be driven or willing to go until it actually happens, and then it's too late.



Ask her to file for a restraining order. Inform the campus PD but don't expect any help. Campus PD is only there to cover the administration's rear. While self defense training may or may not be appropriate, learning to remain with company and avoiding getting isolated is probably the best way to avoid harm. Also tell her to keep a detailed log of EVERY contact: call, email, letter, seeing him and so on.

Self defense training in the long run would prove very useful, providing the person can take classes 2-3 times a week for six months or longer.

rips31
03-27-2007, 12:36 PM
[QUOTE=Satex;551441]And yes, San Diego Sheriff laughted at the person I know when she tried to apply for CCW. I guess he will issue her one once she is in a body bag.[QUOTE]

amen to that. had a friend that was stalked by a crazed ex-fiancee. she applied for a ccw and got laughed at, despite a restraining order and several police reports/hospital visits. dood got arrested, but escaped and started up again, but had some friends, too. after she woke up from a 3d coma (caused by them), they gave her a ccw at the hospital. luckily that threat is now less.

eje
03-27-2007, 12:41 PM
Dude, I remember Pat DA. She put me on probation for having a party with booze in my dorm room. I didn't know her husband was a shooter, but you're right, Pat definitely wore the pants in the family.

UCSD, Muir College class of 1996.

haha looks like she's still living there after 29 years!!:eek:

Muir Resident Dean (http://www-muir.ucsd.edu/studentlife/reslife/ResDeans.htm)

Bishop
03-27-2007, 12:56 PM
One very helpful thing you can do is, whatever she decides to do for defense, go to her and practice how an attack might take place. Having pepper spray in her purse is the first step, but if she doesn't know how to react to different situations, or just gets too scared, it won't do her any good.

As we train, so shall we do!

You might have to push her for this, because most people don't want to have to think about things like this, but make sure you impress upon her, SHE is the only one she can depend on to defend herself. Others can help, but ultimately SHE will be the only one.

donger
03-27-2007, 1:23 PM
haha looks like she's still living there after 29 years!!:eek:

Muir Resident Dean (http://www-muir.ucsd.edu/studentlife/reslife/ResDeans.htm)

Holy smokes, that's scary.

jnojr
03-27-2007, 3:56 PM
There is some provision in the CCW law that exempts someone from needing a CCW if they use their firearm in self-defense, and/or something about "a legitimate, credible threat" Look around in the penal code. Your friend could probably get away with carrying (if caught) if she has documented this problem enough (which I'm sure she hasn't). Get a restraining order and file multiple police reports about contacts with a stalker, and you have something of a green light to carry without a CCW. Of course, this is still wide open to interpretation by the police and DA, but then, concealed means concealed.

Knauga
03-27-2007, 4:37 PM
PC 626.9 (l) exempts holders of CCW Licenses from the prohibition of carrying firearms in schools, and Title 18 USC 922 (q)(2)(B)(ii) exempts valid holders of state issued CCW Licenses from restrictions of the federal Gun Free School Zone Act, provided the license was issued after a background check that included a federal component.

ETA: Good luck in San Diego

taloft
03-27-2007, 5:14 PM
Why are people resurrecting a thread from last year!? Just start a new thread.

naimad
03-27-2007, 5:23 PM
I was just up there today doing a job, i would be more than happy to talk to this guy ,i would get the campus police involved and try to have other pepole around when she goes out

pnkssbtz
03-27-2007, 6:10 PM
Why are people resurrecting a thread from last year!? Just start a new thread.

3-06-06

vs.

3-27-07


I generally look at the month/day not the year...

Sorry for bumping an old thread...

taloft
03-27-2007, 6:25 PM
No apology needed, you did nothing wrong. I just have noticed a lot of old threads popping up lately. It's like night of the living thread around here. Sorry for the hellish pun.:p :D I find it amusing when people begin addressing issues that were resolved last year.

metalhead357
03-27-2007, 8:10 PM
No apology needed, you did nothing wrong. I just have noticed a lot of old threads popping up lately. It's like night of the living thread around here. Sorry for the hellish pun.:p :D I find it amusing when people begin addressing issues that were resolved last year.


LOL! I thought that too. I was like WHAAAAAA? There's actually something NEW on this thread?

Dont feel bad... I love bringing up old threads.

jkasandiego
04-17-2007, 10:09 PM
Absolutely. The scariest thing is, you can never know how far someone may be driven or willing to go until it actually happens, and then it's too late.




Self defense training in the long run would prove very useful, providing the person can take classes 2-3 times a week for six months or longer.

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